In this month’s issue of The Source, cover boy Drake dished out his top five albums of all time. One “album” that made the list was Little Brother’s …And Justus For All mixtape. This marks yet another time that Drake has shouted out Little Brother and his love for the group. However, for some reason, all of the cosigning hasn’t led to a single collaboration since Drake’s gotten put on even though Phonte threw Drizzy a verse at the beginning of the Canadian’s career.
But this isn’t new to Phonte. The same thing happened with Kanye West, as was outlined in this HHDX interview from 2007:
HHDX: At Kanye’s recent listening party he mentioned that a certain artist from Little Brother was basically the one that pushed him to be that dude. Now you two have worked together in the past but he failed to mention you by name. First – How does it feel to know that you are Kanye’s inspiration and second – Why do you think he didn’t mention your name??
Phonte: Well, I’ve known I was Kanye’s inspiration since back in 2003 when we did a few shows together. He told me that he read my verse from ‘The Yo-Yo’ in the Source and got scared that we were gonna beat him to the punch. …As for him not mentioning me by name, I thought it was kinda bitchmade because he personally knows who I am. If you’re gonna give me props, give me my props. Otherwise it just comes across as a backhanded compliment: ‘Yeah, I’m a big fan of what’s-that-guy’s-name…’ That’s some ho shit, in my opinion.
As for the props themselves, that’s cool and all…but if you’re really a fan and Little Brother’s music inspires you so much, why not reach out to us to make some more music together? Why would you not wanna make history with the younger cats in the game who helped to create a lane for you? But we all know the answer to that question…”
For years, Little Brother has influenced the state of Hip-Hop while never getting placement on a major album. Yesterday morning, I posed a question as to why this happens and FWMJ and ?uestlove chimed in. ?uest nailed the gist of it all with one tweet:
“I’ve discussed this very thing w/ a member of rap illuminati. (concerning riq never getting asked for cameos) they said ‘its an unfortunate position, but no rapper can afford to get upstaged by a ‘nobody’ riq/lb= nobodies in above radar world.”
The fact is, Phonte poses a threat to Drake in the same way that Little Brother posed a threat to Kanye back in 2003. LB had the everyman approach mastered before College Dropout. Listen to “Speed” from The Listening and try to say it doesn’t cover the same ground as “Spaceships.” Putting Phonte and Pooh on a major Kanye release would have taken some wind out of Yeezy’s sail while showing the world that there was a group out there doing some of the same stuff that West was getting so much recognition for pulling off.
For Drake, putting Phonte on a song runs the risk of showing the world that there’s already a rapping, singing everyman that’s able to articulate the depths of human emotion in a way Drake’s been trying to for years. But there’s an even greater risk: what if Phonte murders Drizzy on his own shit?
Like ?uest said, you can’t get out-rapped on a track by a nobody. Heaven forbid a rapper you respect gets a bigger fanbase thanks to your shining a spotlight on him. It’s a shame because “unknown” rappers shining on a 16 out of nowhere has launched some of the greatest careers of our time. Think Busta Rhymes on “Scenario” or Tupac on “Same Song.” These were all verses where relative unknowns wrecked shop, outshining their partners and garnering interest from new fans. Hip-Hop was built on giving the new guy a shot. So, what happened?
I spent most of the day wondering where that cosign died and it hit me. I think Nas – whose career was ironically started by a show-stealing verse on “Live At The Barbecue” – killed it. And he did it with just half a bar.
“Eminem murdered you on your own shit…”
“Ether” featured a barrage of insults about everything from Jay’s mustache to his relationship with Dame. But one biting line that stuck out was the assertion that Eminem out-rapped Jay on “Renegade.” With one line, Nas unintentionally struck fear in every rapper’s heart about getting outperformed on wax. Before “Ether,” people didn’t use the fact that a 16 stole the show against the host MC. People didn’t penalize Raekwon for Nas’ “Verbal Intercourse” verse or the aforementioned Tribe about Busta spewing flames like a dungeon dragon. But as soon as “murdered on your own shit” became a part of the Hip-Hop vernacular, it all ended.
Unbeknownst to Nasir, he set off a chain reaction that made rappers too afraid to be the butt of future disses by having a guest do what Em did to Jay. Hell, if Jay-Z knew that Em’s verse would have been used against him, he probably would have made him record a new verse on neutral ground i.e. a Kanye or Just Blaze beat where Jay stood a chance at competing. Since “Ether,” rappers haven’t dared to get embarrassed by relative unknowns. Why else do you think Lil Wayne dropped Cory Gunz’s verse from the original “A Milli”? It’s just not cool to give new guys shine like that.
Now, Drake – and Young Money in general – runs the risk of having a black eye on Take Care if Phonte steals a song. People won’t just be satisfied with them putting together a good song. The debate will then turn to who killed who – a risk that Drake can’t afford.
So while Phonte and Pooh may never get the collaborations and big endorsements they deserve, the quality of their work will be unwavering. While most of the country will be listening to Take Care this holiday season, just know Drake will probably be bumping Charity Starts At Home and taking notes.





This is a Source award winning, or what the Hip-Hop equivalent to a major award is, article my friend! Much respect!
great write up. excellent all the way through. i guess you did learn something at northwestern lil homie.
Good read Dave, and i kind of feel like this was penned indirectly at Drake. If that makes any sense?
Between Common’s song yesterday and this article Drake’s not having a good week, lol!
Superb article David. Truth bombs all in dis beetch.
The irony of Nas being the one to set that shit off is that he ain’t scared of none of these other rappers. He’s just that good.
Too bad for everyone else though…
good stuff.
damn, i was literally chopping the comparison up in my thoughts about a week or 2 ago.
noticed how Drake not only bit, but feasted on Phonte’s style… in a Nickelodeon Jr kind of way.
TRUTH.
great article. only thing i would point out would be that wayne did put cory gunz on 6’7 and kanye had consequence and glc (“nobodys” to mainstream fans) on CD and LR (which they murdered him on). other than that you made a lot of valid points. the ether thing was dead on. even jay did a interview saying the renegade comment in ether changed how rap fans judged collborations.
The thing with Drake is would the people listening even care if Phonte outperformed him
Great read and completely agree. One other thing that I would add that backs up this theory is the part in Drake’s MTV documentary where he talks about Light Up:
http://vimeo.com/12977818
He says ‘I really think Im the shit and then Jay comes and puts me in my place’ – doesnt work if you change out ‘Jay’ for ‘Phonte’
Great write-up.
I had a conversation with one of my friends about this a while ago, and we said generally the same thing: These artists are in a building period of their careers, and being lyrically bested this early in the game is detrimental to success. It’s like saying “Hey thanks for buying this album, but the feature on #5 is better.”
(pressed send before I was done…)
As great as I think Phonte is (better than Drake by a mile), I don’t see why someone that popular would feel threatened when his fanbase is huge and dedicated.
I don’t think that it has anything do with Phonte out-rapping Drake, it has more to do with sales and marketing. A Drake/Phonte collab might appeal to the TSS massive but to the greater rap public, not so much, a fact that I’m sure the YMCMB head-honchos are aware of. I’m not a music exec so I’m just guessing.
REMEMBER WHEN PHONTE WAS SCARED TO BATTLE FAB??? HAHA BUDDEN TOO. WHAT A COUPLE OF SOFT RAPPERS.WESTCOAST FOR LIFE
Damn good post, Dave.
Since Drake sings more than he raps anyhow, why not just offer up a few hooks on Tiggalo’s next album? Or maybe they could have a sing-off. But seriously, as much as it frustrates me to see this kind of bitchassness out of major label artists, if you want to make it big in hip-hop, you gotta do it on your own.
This post is like ether in itself, great read David D. And I agree with what Flea said, but Wayne did the same thing with putting Tech N9ne on the Interlude to C4. Now I know that Tech probably has one of the most dedicated fanbases in hip-hop, but he’s mainly underground and he knows it. I thought it was great to hear Tech on such a massive release like C4. By that measure, hearing LB on a Drake record could definitely work out.
Drake ain’t havin that shit tho, smh. *listens to “Don’t You Have A Man”*
So the question is: Is Kendrick Lamar a “somebody” already since he is on take care, Or should he be offended that drake isn’t worried that he will kill him on his own shit?
^^^
It’s pretty fashionable to get Kendrick on your album right now, isn’t it?
^ yea Kendricks everywhere almost as much as Tip
Jay-Z has been murdered numerous times from Sauce Money to Biggie to UGK to Em…so as well written as this piece is, i dont think the debate necessarily lies on that point. Hell, to let Jay-Z tell it, Nas’ bodyguard verse was hotter than his on “Oochie Wally”…that shit is pretty much true, but that didn’t stop cats from putting their homeboys on songs with them around the time.
I think the reason why a Kanye or Drake wont give Phonte his props or “throw him a bone” as Drake tweeted the other day is because they wouldn’t have anything to gain from it and like TC just mentioned, it isnt fashionable…and if there’s anything that these two dudes are about is gaining and being fashionable. Phonte isn’t signed to GOOD or OVOXO or whatever them niggas call themselves…nor does he openly kiss their ass…nor does he just give off the aura that he just wants to be on every other nigga record anyway.
I heard Noz say something to the effect that nowadays “top tier” rappers only sign and rap with with cats that they think are “cute”…which is true, not in the homo way because i dont know them niggas like that…but, it sure as hell seems that way. Maybe Black Thought and Phonte aren’t “cute” enough for these cats to give them features…so they just give them their backhanded props and admire (mimic) from afar.
But this is an incredible read. And didnt Little Brother get a throwaway weezy verse tho, young money one n done.
I’m with Flea. It can be a label issue, maybe not? Who knows?
All these assumptions- I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a collaboration around the corner.
Incredible write-up! Still feature-killing is a great way to let other people know who you are or to establish who you are. Nas and Em off the top of my head are some pretty scary collaborators, soon Kendrick Lamar and J.Cole will be remembered for doing the same.
You guys forgot about that nice joint as . Po
Pooh was in deck too
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DdzauLxHxNNg&v=dzauLxHxNNg&gl=FR
Dont hear Spaceships in Speed… Song is great though.
I wouldn’t even want a Phonte & Drake combo with some of the music Drake is putting out on Take Care… I need to see Drizzy in a different mindstate before that should happen.
Being as we all know Tigallo reads this blog, can we get a response to this and my question below on the next edition of Gordon Gartrell Radio?
“If all things considered you as well as Joe Budden, Nickelus F, Von Pea (Tanya Morgan) influenced Drake musically why do you think he hasn’t recorded with you since he secured his major label recording contract.”
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Or maybe he already answered this whole post…
“Not mad at the game ’cause it is what it is
And not mad at the radio ’cause I don’t know what’s on it
Be in my own universes when I be doing verses” © Phonte
Great article, I think this applies more to Black Thought than Phonte though… Black attacks the beat and you are assaulted by his superiority… Phonte’s talent is more subtle, and the kids nowadays don’t care about no rap verses…. BRING THE CHORUS BACK!
Kendrick Lamar is on Take Care though…
Great article.. I have some LB on the ipod and Drake on the Ipod, i think the 2 can make a song together and have a beneifical aspect to both parties.. LB gets more exposure even if half or the majority of drakes fan base do not know LB they might after a song on his cd. Also lets say Drake working with a person that inspires him makes him put his all into a song, steps his game up, hops out the wheel chair like snoop in murder was the case, maybe he gets more fans and some respect from hip hop fans as a whole. That cant be bad can it?
So much like practically everything that goes wrong in hip-hop, this too can be blamed upon Nas.
I agree somewhat with the sentiment, but where I have to argue is in the assumed effect.
It is quite funny to see emcees shook about getting upstaged when it clearly has no adverse effect on that rappers’ popularity or commercial success.
Raekwon continued to get money. Tribe continued to get money. Jay-Z became Nas’ boss.
Ergo, the reluctance to place cats on your album stemming from “losing respect” is a moot point. Because as we all know, the only fools who care about that sort of thing are losers like us on these rap blogs, and we hardly represent the market-driving majority of these cats’ fan bases.
Just to illustrate, I was riding in the car with a shorty the other day, listening to Thank Me Later, which she’d recently purchased. The entire time, we only heard THREE tracks. You don’t even need as many guesses to know which three. Which comes back to my point: she represents a larger portion of Drake’s fan base than any of us. We liked dude when he was giving ‘em away for free; SHE bought his album. Women and children don’t care about artists they don’t know, and barely listen to anything aside from the singles. They aren’t worried about who rapped better; they just want to hear the songs they know.
But I can see how a rapper would have that scaredy-cat mentality, and how it would keep them from giving that placement. Good analysis, David. Sorry about the paragraphs, guys, I’m in a writing mood and have no beats right now. Cheers.
Having written all that before reading Flea’s excellent comment, I gotta say he got it in one.
I’m sure Drake would LOVE to do another joint with Phonte. And I’m sure jsut as much that somebody from YM is in his ear, like, “Don’t say that. You’re diluting our brand. You won’t look cool enough because the kids and chicks don’t know that nigga.”
And so it goes…
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I can’t cosign that “the label made me do it” or that “my fan base or pop culture won’t get it” excuse. I feel that Drake or whoever your favorite mainstream rapper is feels that they are too busy to do some song with an underground rapper or that they are beneath them. I mean what’s stopping them from doing a mixtape with Drama or Sparks aint no labels or sample clearance holding THAT up!?! If Drake got time to beef with Uncle Luke (seriously!?!) he got time to collab with a real rapper.
after i swore the revamped comments section off a few weeks ago after reading this great article i was compelled to register if for no other reason then to say this is the best blog entry ive read in YEARS. on ANY blog hands down.
lmao @ Petey
This article would read exactly the same way if you substituted in Black Thought or Pharoahe. It’s not that people don’t want to get murdered…or else people would finally stop giving Em features, but it’s that they don’t wanna get murdered by “some guy” whose star isn’t rising enough to offset the “murder” with a publicity boost. Thus why cats are cool with putting KRIT, Cole and Kendrick bars on because they are rising stars.
I agree with Aaron’s paragraphs and feel like i’ve been shouting this for to long. BUY ALBUMS FROM ARTIST YOU LIKE OR ALBUMS THAT YOU LIKE!!!! All this confusion will be eleminated. After having a debate with FWMJ and others the other day about something Kanye was wearing as opposed to how much dope music he has put out. Aaron hits the nail on the head as to the majority that go out and buy. Oddly enough in that debate Common’s name gets brought up and it’s said that “he has been wack ever since he was holding up poster’s for erykah in videos”…………… This sort of talk makes arguments of why YOUR favorite m.c.’s will never be talked about by the big dogs. YOU the over-critical hip-hop listener are the cause for all this. I like anybody else like what I like and also will critic, BY ALBUM not someones whole career just because. The irony is if Phonte does a collaboration with Drake most people will probably not be a fan of his anymore.
Drake doesn’t seem to be the type to shy away from something like a collaboration, but when it comes to turn that album in and that “Who’s this guy” come up, then something’s going to happen. We sometimes forget this is a business and while Drake is big enough to have say concerning his album, he is signed to a label and as a signee, he has to listen to what the label says.
meaning Phonte
One recent example I can think of is J.Cole on Wale’s beautiful bliss, The popular opinion is that cole killed wale on his own shit but by doing so it gave cole a lot of exposure.
I think Drake would be down to have Phonte on a joint… but its the gatekeepers that may not allow it… Plus it depends on the focus of the project and track!
A Drake/Phonte collab might appeal to the TSS massive but to the greater rap public
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I always hear songs from the Lil Wayne’s and TI’s that will have like 1 or 2 cameos that I’m always like “Who is this and how did he get on here” <– that guy could be Phonte…
I think this was an EXCELLENT post D Double and there are a few staples that rappers have made in/out of their songs.
-The one mentioned in this article…
- 1st week sales validation -50 cent
- Calling people “Stans” – Eminem
- Not responding to rappers disses -Jay-Z
-Subliminally responding to rappers disses -Jay-Z
@ Cell: And those guys are usually some cat from their entourage or hood, or someone who they “fuck with” that “fuck with” somebody else. It won’t be Phonte because his rhyme style and subject matter doesn’t fit the mold, not that it couldn’t, although in their mind it won’t.
You’re probably right. But I’m pretty damn sure these guys can come with a concept song that rides…
Drake refused to be in the FUTURE video. Future too real. That has nothing to do with this article I just felt it should be noted
Drake refused to be in the FUTURE video. Future too real.
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that video went hard tho…
after i swore the revamped comments section off a few weeks ago after reading this great article i was compelled to register if for no other reason then to say this is the best blog entry ive read in YEARS. on ANY blog hands down.
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Welcome back, Petey!
thank you cuzzin
f.u. gotti lmao jk *intentionally misspells gotty*
I’m confused…didn’t Drake cut a record w LB & Dwele??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYUX7NNXCFU How can anyone say one is afraid of the other?? Can someone set me straight if I’m off base….
^^^they mean after the drake success
Dope post. I don’t think the “Verbal Intercourse” example is valid though, because Raekwon wasn’t as established as Nas at the time, and Nas was known for wrecking everything in his path.
This was a great read. At the same time this is how the world of success and capitalism is. This may be a tad of topic BUT It’s all about who gets to the rainbow 1st. Look at Steve Jobs and Apple. Jobs or Apple didnt create the ipod or the idea of digital music. They found expired patents from Kane Kramer and the rest is history. So while Jobs and apple reap the money/success/fame of Kramer gets blown over. There are a millions of examples throught any success in life. It sucks man.
I think something else to consider is, Drake worked hard for his fan-base. He made clear moves that took him from mixtape rapper to superstar. A shout out is still shine, it’s still exposure. It’s not like someone couldn’t do some research, go and buy the LB albums, and discover damn, Phonte is dope.
You are only entitled to what you negotiate. What does Drake have to gain from putting Phonte on a track? Let’s be honest, this is still a business, and doing shit just for the love is cool, but not the norm.
Be honest Wayne put Tech Nine on his last album, did that make you go check out his catalog?
proves drake is a bitch though.
“The irony is if Phonte does a collaboration with Drake most people will probably not be a fan of his anymore.”
Not to take this out of context but it’s the truth. For instance, the internet rap nerd collective exploded with rage when they found out LB did a song with Wayne on Getback. Phonte would get hated on in similar fashion if he did a song with Drake but that’s not a good reason to stop it from happening.
I think Phonte’s a much better artist than Drake but at the same time, like others said, there’s that “who’s that guy” problem that prevents a feature from happening. And it IS a weak excuse but it happens all the time. Drake really doesn’t have much to gain from doing a song with Phonte in terms of gaining/maintaining popularity. Plus big features these days are mostly about using each others names as pedestals to amplify everyone’s popularity. Like Smarter said, only us rap nerds care about who killed who and obviously no one wants to look bad. But it seems like if you’re gonna get bested, at least lose to someone who’s well known or becoming “known” and built a reputation on killing beats.
EVERY RAPPER IS AFRAID TO SHARE THE SPOTLIGHT WITH SOME OTHER RAPPER OUT THERE. PHONTE IS HARDLY THE TOP OF THE FOOD CHAIN
On a side note Phontes track with Lil B and verse were too dope. Is Lil B too weird for Phonte?
“Renegade” should be a verb if “ether” is!
Heads on this site are probably looking at it too much from their own ‘purist’ perspective. Big artists might be scared of losing their reputation, but if they are so successful in the first place and they’ve got to this position it’s probably because they care more about the commercial audience over the hardcore audience, so I don’t know how much they really worry about this. They wanna make hit songs with big names – I blame it on selling out more than shitting on other people.
One other thing – when the Smoking Section started, as far as I remember, there were more posts like this about what was going on in hip hop, which I enjoy(ed). Good to see this kind of writing.
Awesome post.
My favorite projects of the year:
1) Returnof4eva
1a) Charity Starts at Home
2) Sideline Story
3) Section.80 / anything by Kendrick Lamar
4) The R.E.D. Album
What’d I miss?
^^^^^ W.A.R. & Cats & Dogs
Like Smarter said, only us rap nerds care about who killed who and obviously no one wants to look bad.
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I don’t think that’s entirely true. People went nuts over Kanye’s standout verse on “Put On.” Yeah, no one went out and said “Ayo, Kanye smashed Jeezy on his own shit!,” but people definitely recognized that as a show-stealing moment.
If Drake had a certified banger on his own, and let Phonte hop on the track and just unload, I’m positive that casual listeners would have the same reaction.
@keepurgardup
Well I guess I should reiterate and say us rap nerds place a huge precedent on mic skills. Oftentimes, after hearing a song with a feature or 7, heads get together argue about who showed everyone else up. Meanwhile the discussion about whether the song is worth anything to begin with usually gets lost or plays second fiddle.
Meanwhile, the general record buying public doesn’t care nearly as much over who had the best verse. Heck, for awhile the record buying public hasn’t paid much mind about who can cram references and literary devices in a compelling way in their rhymes.There are exceptions of course but what I’m getting at is people who actually buy most music aren’t nearly as critical as the “hardcore” fans or whatever you want to call them/us.
Also I don’t know if its me but it seems like features for minute have been more collaborative and less competitive for the sake of seeking chart success. Either way I don’t think the two should be mutually exclusive.
I read somewhere that wayne is actually not allowing drake to be on a phonte track or vice versa. That could be one of the reasons why people are saying drake will leave young money when his contract is up.
This is what is irksome in the music business, you not being ‘allowed’ to work with who you’d like to work with because it’s not ‘beneficial’ (what about the fans? you know, the ones who supported when you had no label backing). To see people who have love for the music and are genuine fans of each others work come together is a great look for music period.
If Wayne is truly behind this no-go collab, then that is selfish behaviour, he’s able to do a song with LB but Drake isn’t? maybe they feel Drake needs to ‘establish’ himself more?
This is what i like about Curren$y’s ethic, you can see he’s not working with whoever is deemed ‘hot’ it’s because he’s a fan of their work and that shows in his music.
If Glass House never happened then I wouldn’t be a KRIT fan today but Wiz wasn’t mainstream established yet.
I do think there’s a skeptism of “who’s this guy that just murdered the established artist’s song” but in vice versa an underground/mixtape artist will have a well known name on a song and then complain when an established artist does a weak verse. People are too picky.
@Frank I’ve heard that as well.
Great read…
Great write up David D.
David D you are the man for this article.
the internet rap nerd collective exploded with rage when they found out LB did a song with Wayne on Getback. Phonte would get hated on in similar fashion if he did a song with Drake but that’s not a good reason to stop it from happening.
EXACTLY. Cadet, I got you, homes.
BUT. Let’s not forget: all the niggas who were up in arms about said collaboration, were right back to liking Little Brother again once it was “safe” to do so.
Again, the closed-community nature of our little blog bubble makes everything seem bigger than it is. Where we see 100 comments shouting down the latest feature… The artists actual fan base could be over 100,000 strong. So, what, they supposed to cry over the (overly vocal, entitled, whiny) blog posters, who probably are just reacting to the post to look “cool” for the other bloggers?
I’ve seen this with other types of blogs too. The same cats pissed off at Nike on Sneakernews.com are the same ones wearing the shoes six months after the drop date, like “Aw, these are fire. Nobody else has these”.
the crux of the article is semi-flawed, — because Drake would drop 16 & even a chorus for a Phonte song right now, instantly. he’s featured on like 17 tracks out right now, from both underrated artists that he likes (K-Os) to complete no-name-up-&-comers (Future).
At the same time, it really wouldn’t even make sense for Drake to go out his way to place Tigallo a slot on ‘TAKE CARE,’ — they’re not on the same level to make it a buzz-worthy event, nor are they kicking it all the time for it to just casually happen: NaS was kicking it with Large Professor daily, — that’s why he was on Live From The BBQ, same reason that Busta broke out on Scenario — LONS were kicking it around Tribe then.
therefore, the ball is really just sitting there unmoved in Tigallo’s court. He should try it right now — pick the right single from ‘Charity Starts At Home’ get somebody to holler at Drizzy, slide Drizzy the instrumental & see what’s up with the ‘Remix’ ???????
I mean the schedules would have to sync up a little, but I’m pretty sure that both Drizzy & even Yeezy would do that just off G.P. they both actually have a proven record of putting on for artists that aren’t signed to them.
not that signing to GOOD Music or OVOXO would be a bad idea either.
Ya’ll never heard “I See Now” on Consequence – Tak’em To The Cleaners. Little Brother, Kanye, and Cons. LB kills that shit. Guess it’s a good thing that I’m one of three people who bought that CD.
This was a great write but I have to disagree about with your assumption about Busta being a “Nobody” with a Hot 16. Busta Rhymes was already a well known emcee with his crew LONS.
I agree to point. I don’t think record A7R’s would allow these unsigned rappers to collab with signed artists not because they would outperform them but more so because they are UNSIGNED. Phonte is an indy artist. Any collab or even shout outs by a named giant would increase their record sales. Think about how many books made the best sellers list after Oprah aired them on her show. It benefits the indy Rappers more than it does the signed artists it’s free publicity and their label. Hence that’s why Kanye didn’t say his name or wheezy isn’t allowing a collab (if the rumors true) it’s not that they’re scared, they’re businessman… Think about how many Brands they shout out in their songs ALL DAY. louie this Fendi that. Snap Backs that’s paid advertisement. If phonte wants a Collab or some Recognition or any unsigned indy artist. He’s gonna have to pay for it. Otherwise keep climbing that mountain. Good luck to all my Conscious Rappers doing the right thing with their lives and music…
This article put a foot in a whole lot of hip-hop bloggers asses. Excellent post.
Great article, but I think Kanye could hold his own with Phonte, and not only that it’s not like Kanye or Phonte was the first with the everyman lane. All of them need to have Tribe, De La, Jungle, etc on their albums and stop complaining.
Had to register to give this article the props it deserves. Even the discussion section was a good read. Nothing much more to add to what’s already been said, but I hope Tiggallo gets his shine at some point, lord knows he deserves it. Chur.
Great article
but
I think Drake already ran that risk by making that “Forever” track.
Personally, I think he was prob the worst in the track but he did it anyway.
Phonte is cool but he’s stuck with the underground sound that won’t let him advance.
Mainstream people won’t fuck with him like that cuz we all know how fickle fans are.
http://allthings-fresh.net/blog/2011/11/drake-apologizes-for-missing-out-on-phonte-collaboration/
I think Drake deserves an apology for that, especially since they DID do the song
S/O to you internet nerds for making a lot of good points.
I think labels are more afraid of putting rappers that “they” seem are in the same mold.(I.E) the reason why Atlantic doesn’t want another How Fly mixtape from wiz and spitta. In drake’s case nobody…not even wayne or baby is telling him who he can or can’t put on his album. They might hint that it’s not a good idea and to pay respect he listens. But, that’s why we have mixtapes.
Great post. And very nice of you to include Pooh in the conversation event though he’s not really a risk in regards to “mrdering someone on their own track.”
Good read…