Boy that Lupe sure knows how to stir up a hornet’s nest. On a recent appearance of some public access type show called “What’s Trending,” the Chicago kid gets asked to expand on thoughts on President Obama originally voiced in the song “Words I Never Said.” Never one to shy away from an opportunity to place a foot square in his mouth, Lupe declares Obama to be “the biggest terrorist” and part of the “the root” that inspires terrorists to rise up from other countries.
I do commend young Fiasco for having a backbone in these days when entertainers typically lack spines. He said it and he’s not shying away from the stance. Still, pointing the finger at our current President seems brazen and misdirected. Raised under the Public Enemy school of thought, I’ll never be coolin’ out on the 4th of July and far from a flag waver. At the same time, does Lupe think the President is the only one pulling the strings? Should we simply do away with the presidency and let anarchy rule? Is Lupe prepared to kick and push his ass to another country since he’s so discouraged by our current leader and living under these perilous conditions?
I really scratch my head at this guy. When it came to early support, my seat on the bandwagon provided a pretty great view. But I’ve long since vacated that spot for the Lasers to have and just can’t f*ck with him artistically…or politically.
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“I really scratch my head at this guy. When it came to early support, my seat on the bandwagon provided a pretty great view. But I’ve long since vacated that spot for the Lasers to have and just can’t f*ck with him artistically…or politically.”
Same. Right around “Fiasco-gate” is when I started to think about getting out of my seat.
I gather he won’t be at the White House for a poetry reading any time soon? :-/
*exhales in dissapointment while shaking my head simultaneously*
“Should we simply do away with the presidency and let anarchy rule?”
Right, because that’s the only possible other option available.
Is Lupe prepared to kick and push his ass to another country since he’s so discouraged by our current leader and living under these perilous conditions?
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Ive thought about this many times, but the safest place in the world right now is America. Its pretty much the only country that wont get the fuck bombed out of it by America for doing nothing.
Lupe declares Obama to be “the biggest terrorist” and part of the “the root” that inspires terrorists to rise up from other countries.
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I mean I hear what he’s saying. But questioning America and the folks that run this country in this time of ULTRA nationalism will get you run over. The last time there was this type of viceral reaction for criticizing those in charge that has come from both sides over the past decade, we were a colony. Its a shame that people cant point out that America’s over aggresive foreign policy and its lack of understanding that other countries run themselves and it isnt any of our business are the reasons why we got attacked in the first place. So we responded by being even more aggresive. He’s right, whether or not he said it the right way.
*in my opinion, that is
Smart dumb nigga shit
@100k Exactly, this is the type of political analysis you get from your bro while y’all pining and he just read his first couple of revolutionary books. College Freshman shxt.
“In my fight against terrorism, to me, the biggest terrorist is Obama in the United States of America. For me, I’m trying to fight the terrorism that’s actually causing the other forms of terrorism. The root cause of the terrorism is the stuff that the U.S government allow to happen and the foreign policies that we have in place in different countries that inspire people to become terrorists. And it’s easy for us because it’s really just some oil, which we can really get on our own.” – Lupe Fiasco -
dont be a tabloid magazine Gotty. get the whole story. read his words from the view point of those actually in the struggle. and not as a fuckin republican, and maybe you’d understand where he’s coming from. you fuckin clone
this nigga is a clown….
Here come the L.A.S.E.R.S.! lol
I heard what he said. Dude’s a doofy. Sorry I don’t blindly accept all bullshit coming from him, Obama or anyone for that matter. But here, I think Lupe’s offbase. And that’s MY stance as I see it. Feel free to disagree “you fuckin clone.”
I’ve always been suspicious of Lupe since I realized he never actually did any tricks in the “Kick Push” video. That’s what we called a “poser” growing up. Could never appreciate his music after that.
Lol at a black man obsessed with Gotti acting like some type of radical. Who are you to judge?
Don’t throw stones if you live in a glass blog.
Lupe can STFU too, niggas are armchair revolutionaries & hypocrites.
Same niggas who were screaming VOTE OBAMA, THE CHANGE IS COMING, are the same niggas calling for his impeachment.
Gotti & Lupe disgust me.
Its just smart dumb ni99a 101. Although Lupe is legitimately intelligent and all he really suffers from “I’m the clever rapper” and is so far up his own ass he needs a liter of KY.
wait for F&L2 or another Lupe gem to drop and see how everybody gonna collectively be back on the wagon. just watch and see.
and to think…he’s from my city. but his opinion is just that…his. i don’t agree with it just like i don’t agree with most of the beats on that Laser album.
CO-Sign The BAWSE
Lupe needs to take his ass to the middle east stat and begin his revolution there instead of growing out his nappy ass hair and bitching about LASERS.
If you’re gonna make comments like those you better be able to say them to the man’s face. I’m no Obama nut hugger by any means but that shit was just straight ignorant.
I hate to hear Luke talk about anything political since dude seems to get all his opinions off of YouTube conspiracy videos.
And going with his point, if he said tyrant it would make more sense than terrorist. Terrorists use violence as a weapon of fear to attack people. America doesn’t believe in that. We’re all about using violence as a weapon of subjugation to take over people. Two different things.
Yes, we as a country have this odd belief that we can basically run into a country and force them to bow down to our will(Like forcing democracy on another country, for example) and in that sense, I understand what Wasalu was trying to say. I just wish he could come up with another way to say it. He is quite smart, of course, but I think he lets his stance in hip-hop(which believe it or not, is pretty high with his Lasers being his version of Minions) to get his voice out.
I think he lets his stance in hip-hop(which believe it or not, is pretty high with his Lasers being his version of Minions) to get his voice out.
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I meant he uses his stance in hip-hop to get his voice out, since his fans hinge on every word that he says, and that gasses his head up a lil bit due to his revolutionary intelligence.
Idk what the fuck I was talking about before, I let the parentheses fuck up my whole sentence. Lol
ok…so not that i agree with everything that Lupe said. I dont think Obama himself is a terrorist, but our military does kill innocent people in other countries, that have nothing to do with our agenda. There are people in other countries that hate America, because of what they themselves have experienced first hand. The term is subjective, and the U.S. Government does fit the bill for the term , Terrorist, to some people around the world. Obama should be held accountable for being a part of an organization that has such policies. Gitmo is terrorism, straight up.
And Lupe is right. Just take a look at Obama invading Libya and continuing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan looking for scary non existent terrorists. Ooo Im so scared of the scary Arabs because Obama said they hate my lifestyle.
Drone attacks in Pakistan have killed over 200 civilians. Gotty get your head out of your ass before you try call Lupe crazy. I’m gonna assume you’re white or a neoliberal black.
UN Mandate = 60 days to be in Libya
Obama is the first president to go to war in Africa. Truth hurts.
This is when you must separate your personal issues with the artist from the truth of the world. Everything he said was the truth. Simple at that time but the truth. Lets start with the present day. Today there are numerous nations in the world protesting and causing governmental reform because their government restricts their freedom, invades their privacy, keeps them from making a living, and persecutes its people. Obama just renewed the Patriot act (a piece of legislature that if you go back you would see was highly opposed by Democrats and Republicans alike because it gave the government free realm and Obama said, while running for president he was against), gave $800 billion to corporations in a government subsidized bailout (which goes completely against our “great” capitalist economic system which i will cover later) instead of creating jobs, public work funds, feeding unemployment, improving infrastructural, rebuilding our crumbled education system, and ending a war based on oil profits for an individual group.
Currently we are engaged in a war on several fronts for economic reasons. We invaded Iraq for oil, just like we did in desert storm. There is a reason why the oil tanks and pipelines are the first things collaterally attacked when America gets involved in a battle… THAT’S OUR GOAL. If you think about all the uprisings throughout the world, the Killings in Darfur, mass genocide in Rwanda, the Tibetan persecutions, and the oppression of south korea, we chose to initiate conflict with Libya, an oil rich nation. This was not over freedom of right, politics or equality, strictly money. We are not fighting a common good, we are wasting the lives of young men and women for personal gain.
The fact is that often your economic system determines the way your politics is run. In a capitalistic nation we are taught to make money by any means, and that the strongest business will survive. If your business fails its on you. The bailout happened because our political system is ran by money. Think back if you can to any government or political science class you may have taken. They tell us there is literally a bidding war that happens in order for certain groups political agenda to be passed. Of course being the brilliant oral tacticians we are as Americans, this illegal and unfair way to influence thought was dubbed “lobbying” that we teach and encourage to the youth. The companies that were bailed out were all major political contributors to the past TWO regimes (Bush and Obama) because they needed to keep their influence. Our system is so based around the dollar that our “leader” was so afraid of losing his support (where politics teaches how the game is played and molds these linear thinkers from the most basic races from school student counsel to aldermen to senators) that he folded on his platform, broke the capitalistic golden rule and stole money AMERICANS needed to protect his INVESTMENTS of interest.
We are lied to everyday to keep business as usual. Does no one find it odd that we captured Bin Ladin when Obama’s approval rating was reaching Bush lows, we were mobilizing a large number of troops that was last seen in 2006, starting a war with oil rich Libya and expanding out reach into Iran and Pakistan? Does it not seem a little odd that Obama came out with such a vast proclamation stating “We don’t spike the ball” when this was the most sought after man of the last decade, we posted pictures of Saddam Huessien’s sons with bullet holes in their head on national TV, and public broadcast the live beheading of an american civilian? Does it seem odd that Obama ran under the platform of change yet he has increased the terms of soldiers in the middle east, folded on universal healthcare, and renewed failed Bush policies?
We have to open up our eyes and look at the truth not what we are told. There are signs everywhere that point to lie after lie after failed promised, to misconstrued truth that hurt us as citizens of this twisted nation. I don’t want anyone to miss the message because of the opinion of the messenger. Just think and see the truth…
. I dont think Obama himself is a terrorist, but our military does kill innocent people in other countries, that have nothing to do with our agenda.
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One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter?
@Bawse..was just going to bring that up. terrorsit is defined as “The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims”.
Does anyone know if Lupe votes? Because in my opinion, ANYONE that doesn’t vote has forfeited their right to say shit about how the country is run. Current commenters on this blog post included.
Does anyone know if Lupe votes?
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in the video, lupe stated that he does not vote.
And Lupe is right. Just take a look at Obama invading Libya and continuing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan looking for scary non existent terrorists. Ooo Im so scared of the scary Arabs because Obama said they hate my lifestyle.
Drone attacks in Pakistan have killed over 200 civilians. Gotty get your head out of your ass before you try call Lupe crazy. I’m gonna assume you’re white or a neoliberal black.
UN Mandate allows 60 days to be in Libya, which Obama has already breached.
Obama is the first president to go to war in Africa. Truth hurts.
Obama is an economic terrorist. Use wikipedia if you need a definition!
The Bawse is just mad b/c i don’t fuck w/him musically either lol. I see you watching, champ.
One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter?
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absolutely!
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I personally think Obama is the best leader our country has had in a long time. (Well, Clinton was a great president too, but that’s besides the point).
@Gotty
Bro, we are stating facts. Youre giving your opinion based on your dislike for a man. You not fucking with BAWSE’s music has nothing to do with facts he states about the truth. Your facts so far are Lupe doesnt vote and he said some mean shit to me in the past. Bring up a fact based argument to dismiss what we are saying. I challenge everyone to dispute anything I write on this board with their own facts… Dont state your opinion…
And going with his point, if he said tyrant it would make more sense than terrorist. Terrorists use violence as a weapon of fear to attack people. America doesn’t believe in that. We’re all about using violence as a weapon of subjugation to take over people. Two different things.
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Not sure if you’re being sarcastic here, but that didn’t make sense.
Define terrorism: “The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.”
Terrorists, by definition, use violence as a political weapon, not just to “attack people” for fun, which is what that quote seems to imply. Politicians and the boys in uniform use violence as what? That’s right, as a political weapon as well. When you boil it down to the basics, they’re one in the same. The only difference is one side has corporate megabucks to finance the DC/Marvel Comics-like propaganda, while the other continuously acts like the guy in the old Madd Rapper skits.
I think LF has a fair point (no, I’m not a big fan of his), and it’s great that he doesn’t hide behind a publicist during interviews and follow his media training instructions.
as soon as i read “bro” anywhere, i pretty much stop reading.
@ Gotty
Then youre a fool. This a blog. A conversationalist medium upon which people come to congregate and converse among each other about common issues which a moderator sees fit. Dont take me coming to you in a impersonal way on a non professional based site as a detraction from my intelligence. That comment alone showed me the type of person you are. If you read my first comment you would know where my head is at. Peace to you sir…
If you read my first comment
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You mean that big block of text you typed? No thanks. I may need my retinas for a while to come.
That comment alone showed me the type of person you are.
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Enh.
LOL @ Smart dumb guys at work.
Lupe needs to let this one go. The sheep need to calm down.
Gotty I agree with you.
Terrorists, by definition, use violence as a political weapon, not just to “attack people” for fun, which is what that quote seems to imply.
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I was being sarcastic there but I don’t believe I ever said they do it for fun. It’s a question of motive: destablization and fear. America’s motive’s seem to be a bit different in that we’re more looking for control and influence under the guise of fighting for other’s freedom. Not a large difference but still different. It’s a case of most of what we’d call terrorists using violence to create chaos while we’re using violence to create order. Whether that’s a good or bad thing depends on where you stand.
Obama is the first president to go to war in Africa. Truth hurts.
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How do you mean exactly? Do you mean to fight a war in the continent or fight a war with a nation in the continent? Because the US fought in northern Africa during WWII.
@Gotty
If you read my first comment
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You mean that big block of text you typed? No thanks. I may need my retinas for a while to come.
You have to read to educate yourself. My facts came from much longer documents than that. Your words reinforce why you haven’t given any facts yet. Like I said you have to look at the message, not the messenger…
this is emotionally draining lmao
Same niggas who were screaming VOTE OBAMA, THE CHANGE IS COMING, are the same niggas calling for his impeachment
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Just because you vote for someone doesnt mean you have to support them when they go back on what they said.
Its the ultra-nationalism as I said before. We are trained, and I mean trained, from a young age to never question our leaders. America is the best, and so on. My question is would all of you who say Lupe is being stupid and dont agree with him rather the US spend billions of dollars on wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya (countries who havent been aggresive with us) or on the public school system and helping ease the burden of social security? I know Id rather have our schools that our worldwide enemies.
LOLOLOL, this dude Gotty is taking shot after shot after shot in here. Bob and weave homie.
I know Id rather have our schools *than* our worldwide enemies.
LOLOLOL, this dude Gotty is taking shot after shot after shot in here. Bob and weave homie.
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Cats coming at Gotty like he got a price on his head
It’s almost like these pro-Lupe fans play the background and attack only when his name is mentioned though lol.
If Jay Z said the same comments, would your opinion change? Ignore the messenger. Educate yourself on the issues of our world and form your thoughts on facts.
Well, he got people talking, but I agree that calling the President a terrorist is incredibly misguided. Sometimes, I get sad at what I see it takes to get a headline these days.
Dude was in XXL crying about Atlantic freezing his budget. He offends the Zionist lobby and his label (headed by Jews) will have his ass in limbo.
Wait wait wait….so a popular internet C-section tells you the kind of person someone is? Well damn…let me know whats up y’all. Lol
Get off your high horse ppl, opinions are opinions, they fundamentally cannot be wrong. So let Wasalu speak his revolution pieces and agree or disagree. We don’t need a whole dissertation from you trying to prove that your overly expensive college education is working.(even if they won’t ever come).
Excuse the last part…copy and paste on android phones suck.
Pro Lupe fans are just as obnoxious as fucking Odd Future fans. Your man said some dumb shit. Get off the man’s cock and get ya heads straight(heh no pun)
It’s not so much what Lu’s saying. I *sorta* get what he’s saying.
It’s HOW he ways it that has me agreeing with G:
“I heard what he said. Dude’s a doofy.”
First of all, as I see it, if you aren’t gonna be part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.
“ANYONE that doesn’t vote has forfeited their right to say shit about how the country is run.” < – exactly.
The dude is so vague when he talks about politics/current events you almost get the idea he has NO IDEA what he's talking about, but he's kinda expected to be the "conscious" rapper, so he chucks a bunch of inflammatory, but aggravatingly general statements about the president into his interviews… Then sits back and watches the machine generate an ass load of free publicity. SMH.
Controversy for controversy's sake doesn't really fix any of the problems that Lupe conspicuously won't name.
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To all y’all wildin out on here. Chill folks. G stated his opinion on something stupid that buddy said. Nothing more. Feel free to disagree with the opinion, but don’t get your panties up in a bunch. Take it for what it is and keep it moving.
Oh, guys! Rocky Rivera’s new tape just dropped …
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Youuuuu’re welcome!
Pro Lupe fans are just as obnoxious as fucking Odd Future fans. Your man said some dumb shit
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Im not a “Pro Lupe” fan. I think what he said has a lot of merit even if the way he said it turns people off to his message.
Pro Lupe fans are just as obnoxious as fucking Odd Future fans. Your man said some dumb shit. Get off the man’s cock and get ya heads straight(heh no pun)
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Truth! Erybody fucks up. own up to it and move on.
For those talkin smack about the boys in uniform fighting in other countries. Its an interesting thought to think where this country would be if we werent around risking our lives for your asses.
And to blame Obama for [still] being at war in Iraq and Afghanistan is foolishness when he didnt put us there. Its honestly not as simple as everyone go home.
On another note for those of you who have taking a college level geography class (SN: Has Lupe graduated or even ever attended college?) you would know that while Egypt and Libya are both in Africa they are often considered part of the Middle East. Similar to how other portions of the Middle East are actually Asia.
but mainly I’m upset that he is specifically calling out President Obama. To say the office of president or our government is corrupt is one thing but to blame the man for taking action on things that have been a long time coming is another thing all together.
And again don’t disrespect the Troops! People are out there risking there lives for little money while you sit at home and play xbox.
For those talkin smack about the boys in uniform fighting in other countries. Its an interesting thought to think where this country would be if we werent around risking our lives for your asses.
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Nobody did that bud. Folks are talking about the people who make the decisions. Reading and comprehension are critical.
Oh and Libya and Egypt are a part of Africa. Norway isnt like Italy but they are both part of Europe.
Isnt Lupe still shucking and jiving for Atlantic?…
Does he really think the people of these countries would reciprocate the amount of fuck he’s giving them? All this while he remains a happy slave for Atlantic
Hey Pandas… Where are Iraq and Afghanistan located? Last I check “Middle East” wasnt a Continent or a Country. Its a region. And often times Libya and Egypt (Egypt 99% of the time) are included with that group.
“Politicians and the boys in uniform use violence as what? That’s right, as a political weapon as well.”
Maybe someone should have written that as “Politicians USE the boys in uniform” not “and” and makes a separate distinction there.
There were two more examples but I dont feel like re-reading ALL the comments looking for them
To his defense, Lupe never fucked with Obama.
Jesse, thats not a defense. If he was a voting man he could have *gasp* voted for the other guy. Or the green party for all I care.
@matchz
Well I have never included any African country in any discussions involving countries in the Middle East. I cant recall anyone else either but obviously your 99% begs to differ.
And to me boys in uniform meant cops cuz I dont see how a footsoldier is going to use violence to gain anything. If he was talking about troops then thats wrong… yes there are bad troops but most of them are just making a living.
He sounds like a dickhead. He doesnt vote. At least, we have the right to vote in this country. Everyone talks all this shit about America but they still pay taxes and are in this country.
He got the people at Atlantic dictating his career and got him releasing albums he doesnt wanna drop. He has bigger issues at hand. He might as well go indie because i forsee another label struggle for him.
Too many armchair Joint Chiefs of Staffs in here for my liking. The nerve. Co-sign everything Gotty & Matchz said. Good day.
Not voting due to apathy is silly, choosing not to vote because there’s fundamentally no difference between the candidates or you feel they will be hamstrung in their attempts to elicit change is a different matter entirely…
When you’re voting for who you think will fuck you more gently than it’s perfectly understandable to withhold your vote.
Too many armchair Joint Chiefs of Staffs in here for my liking.
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This is what I find is a bigger problem. We cant expect our politicians to act like rational human beings if the majority of the people would rather close their eyes and put their fingers in their ears then hold them accountable. The war in Libya is illegal right now. Going into Pakistan was illegal. These things arent ok. But to each their own. While people sit back and tell folks such as myself to leave the country if we dont like what it has become; the folks such as myself are out there trying to make this country into what its supposed to be, what the laws of the land says it should be.
@Pandas
The war in Libya is illegal right now. Going into Pakistan was illegal. These things arent ok. But to each their own. While people sit back and tell folks such as myself to leave the country if we dont like what it has become; the folks such as myself are out there trying to make this country into what its supposed to be, what the laws of the land says it should be.
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This is the problem we have with people like you and Lupe. Both of you are entitled to your opinions, but making blanket, unsubstantiated statements like “Obama is a terrorist” and “These things aren’t okay” isn’t you hold politicians accountable for their actions.
FWIW, I’ve never heard Libya included in the “Middle East”. Egypt, yes, they actually are in the Middle East (and are part of the African continent), but Libya? At least not in the traditional sense. If you are going to call Libya part of the Middle East then you better include Turkey, Sudan, Ethiopia, and Somalia too in your definition. In which case you are creating some new 2011 Middle East or some shit
@Panda
“Well I have never included any African country in any discussions involving countries in the Middle East. I cant recall anyone else either but obviously your 99% begs to differ”
Well you’d be mistaken then because Egypt is rarely referred to as an African country despite its geographic location and the people there do NOT refer to themselves as Africans. Libya is in the same with majority of people there being of Arab and Berber descent with a small minority of actual “black Africans.”
When a fallacious statement like “Obama was the first President to go to war in Africa” is thrown out there to somehow implicate something sinister, you gotta shake your head at those who like to generalize facts (or just make them up)in an effort to seem like they’re “conscious” (read: Lupe). Also for facts sake, President Obama and the US military didn’t invade Libya and start a war. They intervened in a civil war that was already taking place. While the legality of said military operation can be discussed and debated (which it has been)Don’t forget Gaddaffi was killing his own LIBYAN people because they dared to call for a new government system wherein they wouldn’t be oppressed. But thats another explosive topic that can fill up another c-section on a different day.
Going back to Lupe, while I do appreciate a lot of his older music, his more inflammatory statements would get an eyebrow raise because like someone said, he doesn’t seem to really know what he’s talking about and says the far out shit he says to be seen as a counterculture type revolutionary when really he’s just another rapper who comes with a gimmick and makes pop shit (After the fiasco that was L.A.S.E.R.S, I dare someone to disagree) Worry about making better music and not crazy comments.
And the word “terrorist” is subjective so someone’s terrorist can be another person’s freedom fighter but I wouldn’t go as far as to call the President one. And when we say shit like “I’d rather we fix our educational system, lower the deficit, increase employment, fix up the ghettos around the world, and end black racism” understand that it takes longer than two years for those things to come to fruition and the President and his administration have a done a better job than the last few we’ve had. Not to say that he’s God’s other Son or that we should blindly follow him but it doesn’t make you “down” or “conscious” to bash the Pres with out a thoughtful and intelligent reason to do so.
And with that screed, I’m out.
Hold your head Gotty, these L.O.S.E.R.S. are worse than Beyonce and Lady Gaga stans because they actually think they’re saying shit. Smart ass dumb ninjas.
damn @bawse we didn’t invade libya im in the active army and i’m sitting here quite comfortably resetting and training like the rest of my division for our impending return to afghanistan…. lupe’s a dumbass for this… real revolutionaries are revolting not sitting on some lady’s sofa talking about stuff he ain’t willing to do lmmfao… i shit on cowards all day lol and its a shame brack obama will be remembered for the things representatives and the Fed. bank wouldn’t let him change because most of the world is too dumb to research what he did try to change
and too all you dumbasses stupidly calling the involvement of NATO i repeat NATO you dipshits! in libya a war then maybe you should buy a plane ticket and see what Ghadafi did to his own people lmmfao and yeah he keeps calling for treaties and ceasefires but everytime he does he is still issuing commands to attack and shell this or that town until he stops doing that NATO is going to keep trying to kill that muhfucka plain and simple life isn’t a game and there are consequences to doing stupid shit i think the average american may have forgotten that lol whats going on in libya is a group of people fed up with actually being suppressed and beaten and when they rose up NATO (mind you the US has the least involvement because we really can’t afford that shit with military cutbacks) decided fuck it why not help these muhfuckas out with a little air support (the rebels call up some shit they can’t take down NATO (france, england, etc) bombs it and gets the fuck outta dodge. the reason NATO is doing this is because of the failed iraqi rebellion shortly after desert storm… we as a country encouraged them to rise up against saddam in 1991 after america had already pulled out and promised them support which we ended up not giving at all… the iraqi’s rose up and got fucked up bad… NATO saw the consequences of what happened and what iraq became and don’t want the same to happen today…….. and to that stupid dumbass momma musta smoked too much body rock cause you ass came out half blind and retarded as nigga that said barak obama or america for that matter invaded libya DO SOME DAMN RESARCH OUTSIDE OF BET NEWS YOUTUBE.COM WSHH OR THAT DUMB SHIT YOU HEARD FROM THAT NIGGA WHO SELL WEED AT THE SMOKERS SPOT LMMFAO OL’ COLLEGE FRESHMAN ASS, I READ MY FIRST BOOK OUTSIDE OF HOMEWORKS FACE ASS, OL’ GODDAMN I WEAR GLASSES WITH NO PRESCRIPTION FACEHEAD ASS IGNORANT ASS NYUCAAAHHHHHHHH! lmmfao thanks for the article @gotty im stationed just north of nashville at ft. campbell home of the 101st airborne division in the brigade thats first to go anytime theres been a ground invasion since 2002 and thankyou for the chance to ether the ignorant i love this shit…… and i’ll slap the shit outta lupe if he disrespect my boss in my face not because i particularly like my boss but just because lupe is a weak lil bitch who never learned how to stand for anything much less himself :-)
Lupe is wrong because he terribly oversimplified a complicated issue with factors beyond the control of Obama, The illuminati or whoever is pulling the strings.
In regards to Libya, there is in effect a civil war ocurring there. Gaddafi WAS murdering his own people. The USA is not the only nation involved in the “no fly zone”. I’m not saying the current approaches have been perfect but what of the criticism other nations would have recieved if they had remained uninvolved?
As things are, Lupe has no leg to stand on as he gave no base for his allegation. The issues may involve “oil” for example but this is not the sole reason for american intervention. Nuance is a necessity when talking of political conflict.
Lupe is wrong because he terribly oversimplified a complicated issue with factors beyond the control of Obama, The illuminati or whoever is pulling the strings.
In regards to Libya, there is in effect a civil war ocurring there. Gaddafi WAS murdering his own people. The USA is not the only nation involved in the “no fly zone”. I’m not saying the current approaches have been perfect but what of the criticism other nations would have recieved if they had remained uninvolved?
As things are, Lupe has no leg to stand on as he gave no base for his allegation. The issues may involve “oil” for example but this is not the sole reason for american intervention. Nuance is a necessity when talking of political conflict.
Also, Im pretty certain the US has a minor if not negligent role in libya. NATO are currently implementing the no fly zone.
and @Cole if you mean by “increasing our terms in the middle east” the increase of our deployment time then that was a bush thing and yeah soldiers were but hurt about it but it helped in terms of the civil war that the army and marines where caught in that was killing them so much. deployments where extend from 12 to 15 months so people on the ground could make real gains that would stick and it actually helped i can’t complain back in the “good ol days of war” lol you didn’t come home til it was over… and no it aint as simple as everybody think it is over there but of course a lot of yall don’t know for whatever your excuse is but its cool i reenlisted because though it was scary at times i learned a lot about the world and the people in it and i would rather keep going back and and getting my checks tax free knowing as long as i do a good job and live my family won’t have to grow up and take my place and neither should you cause fuck a draft if you don’t wanna be over there i don’t want your pussy ass over there watching out for me…
and finally @Panda im sorry you’re right it was completely wrong for a group of guys to fly over the border of pakistan and kill that bitch with no colateral damage whatsoever… but it wasn’t wrong for pakistan to allow a suicide bomber with an afghan border patrolsman uniform to cross the afghan border buy his way onto an afghan outpost shared with american soldiers from the task force i was in so he could detonate himsself in a crowd of soldiers crowding around a burn barrel trying to stay warm in a shitty assignment to overwatch the border roadwork during the day so the taliban didn’t murder the locals doing the work… this suicide bombing initiated an attack that pakistan also allowed to originate from their side which led to a battle that last for days including artillery rounds coming from the pakistan side of the border… shit like this happens all the time but you right america was wrong for stepping over the border for a lil bit…. OBL was dealt with on his own level and now pakistan itself is getting fucked up cause they couldn’t protect him enough lmao thats just really good karma, pimp lmao
and great points @victor and @gotty
The mistake he made was using the word ‘terrorist’. I actually hesitate to call it a mistake b/c he probably fully meant to use the word due to how loaded and sensational it is.
Using the word is really the only thing I disagree with Lupe on. The U.S. has, does, and will continue to do some terrible shit to people, including its own citizens. Doesn’t matter who’s President b/c, well, Presidents don’t call the shots. Money does.
Of course Barack isn’t a terrorist, but he presides over a nation that brings terror daily to millions of people. As the figurehead of the country – a job he volunteered to be hired for – he has to deal with the fact that he is the face of all the evil that the U.S. does. Just like we’ll give him props 30 yrs from now for starting the move toward better healthcare.
And for legalizing weed. *crosses fingers and knocks on wood with a rabbit’s foot wrapped in four-leaf clovers*
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I just want some Harold’s. That’s all.
Damn, was going to comment but I forgot what the hell this post was about after reading all these comments.
But is he wrong?
Obama represents the Government, correct?
And our Government has been bombing other countries for at least a decade now…Correct?
If China, was bombing, a bunch of other countries for 10+ years, would the U.S consider them terrorists?
It’s easy to say he’s wrong and shouldn’t say that kind of shit, when you live in the country that’s winning the fight.
And maybe, Obama ain’t the one the WHOLE blame should be placed on, but in Corporate America, when the B.P oil spill happened, they didn’t blame the niggas doing the drilling, the blamed the President of the company, same shit, different toilet.
Everyone here is entitled to their own opinion, but don’t just write off people who think different from the norm as “conspiracy theorists” or “L.A.S.E.R.S” etc etc.
Because history has shown that those who thought differently, than the majority in the past; Malcolm, Martin, The Black Panther Party, The Black Liberation Army, were called “Communists” and “Militants” etc etc, and they ended up being RIGHT about the issues for which they stood.
Just because The Government but a “Black Face” on the H.N.I.C doesn’t mean their agenda has changed in the slightest. The only thing that happens when a president gets elected, is that the cards get reshuffled, and the opposing party gets to “cut the deck”
You’re still playing with the same deck of cards however.
Peace my brothers and sisters.
Here come the L.A.S.E.R.S.! lol
I heard what he said. Dude’s a doofy. Sorry I don’t blindly accept all bullshit coming from him, Obama or anyone for that matter. But here, I think Lupe’s offbase. And that’s MY stance as I see it. Feel free to disagree “you fuckin clone.”
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Dude no one in the world is on base enough to call anybody
off base. what you say can only be based on how ON BASE you are.
All of our silly opinions… ain’t it something
well spoken @mr. G
I’m glad TSS has posts like these and i wish more talk like this happened outside of the internet, like at barbershops and hair salons.
Remember that the American Revolution happened because of colonies disagreeing with how things were being run by the British. And I’m sure A LOT of mf’ers told them original 13 colonies they were tripping.
Your government works for YOU, not the other way around.
I commend Lupe for having the cajones to say ANYTHING in this day and age.
But from the looks of things, I guess it’d be better off if he was promoting cocaine sales, stripper tipping and shoe purchases like the MMG roster?
Pharoahe Monchs’ message is no different on his album W.A.R.
When people speak out against the government these days, they ain’t just talking about a bunch of faceless white folks.
Obama falls under that umbrella.
And you know what, the niggas with the MONEY, were BANKING on BLACK PEOPLE feeling the need to DEFEND Obama as if they were related to him.
Wake Up.
Since when has the government EVER had the best interest of the PEOPLE, OUR PEOPLE in mind.
As Kat Williams would say :”Not Never” nigga.
How is he gonna fight terrorism when he can’t even win against his own record label?
^VICTORY!
Chris basically deaded the whole convo. Props to you, brother, for actually doing your homework. If I had had more than 30 minutes for lunch today, I woulda said AAAALLLL that. Smarter for a reason.
That said, there ARE a great number of injustices perpetrated by the citizens and representatives of this country home AND abroad. Now, knowing that… Either take concrete action to FIX the problems, or STFU.
ESPECIALLY, tom bout “I don’t vote”. ALL OF THE ENTIRE FUCK OUT THE PAINT WITH THAT BULLSHIT, LU. Like Bawse said, smart dumb nigga shit.
And if ANYBODY comes at me with that “But he’s increasing awareness; you need to open up your eyes” nonsense: climb up your own ass. That’s WEAK. That’s basically saying, I don’t wanna do anything, so I’ll TALK about doing something, hoping someone else does.
That’s why I gave up on conscious rap in the first damn place.
You fucking Americans HAVE NO IDEA how good you have it do you? here my friends is the definition of terrorism
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
Use all the definitions folks. Lupe is just like anybody else he hears an opinion from someone thinks it sounds radicle and smart and runs with it. Obama has been A MONUMENTAL let down, he has had only somewhere from 1-5 of his original policies voted through he lacks the ability to decipher what is his own agenda to be frank the man lacks balls. But to call him a terrorist is outlandish and quite simply pathetic. I don’t care who said this it’s complete horse shit and people who think otherwise are just as dangerous as the home grown terrorists the Tea Party. Be thankful Americans your not from Brazil where you have Dilma Vanna Rouseff running your country.
^what he said
though @ Gotty I got mad respect for you but I do take offense @ the statement you made of Lupe leaving I believe Obama is not right for the job and that the political system is broken but I love America and I want to see it reach the true Land of the Free. I would like to exactly what you mean if you would please reply Mr. Gotty.
If you read my first comment
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You mean that big block of text you typed? No thanks. I may need my retinas for a while to come.
LMFAO!!!! Word, his comment needed chapters.
Look, Lupe knows exactly what he’s doing. Whether you agree or disagree with his politics, he ain’t do this for some noble cause. He did it to get ppl buzzin, to become a trend on Twitter, to get us to talk (as these 90 comments show).
At the end of the day, this is a nigga who also said he was so depressed about his bad deal with Atlantic Records, he considered SUICIDE. You gonna kill yourself over a record deal? Son has a flair for the dramatic.
And so do the anonymous fuckin crybabies who come here pop all that long-winded bullshit. You’re missin the point.
But imagine if we didn’t vote.
Everyone.
What would happen?
Would the ELECTORAL COLLEGE that none of US belong to, still elect the nigga THEY want in office.
So he didn’t vote, and what?
If you know the FUCKING GAME IS FIXED, WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU PLAY THE GAME!?
He is making niggas talk about some shit that matters, and even if that was his only agenda, thats GOOD ENOUGH.
But i’m guessing you mindless ass niggas would rather here another rapper tell you what clothing line you need to be supporting, or what exspensive ass car you need to bust your ass to get that you will NEVER afford.
Voting doesn’t mean shit, if you don’t hold the niggas you vote for accountable.
Which NONE of you niggas who voted does.
When’s the last time you wrote a politician?
When’s the last time you wrote the President?
And if you didn’t, why didn’t you?
Probably for the same reason Mr.Fiasco didn’t vote.
Because it wouldn’t make a difference?
GET UP STAND UP, STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS.
FIGHT THE POWER.
Those ain’t just songs my niggas.
Wake Up!
And all you niggas saying if he doesn’t like America he should leave.
Sound like white people telling blacks to “Go back to Africa” if America’s so bad.
And K.STRICT all this “long winded bullshit”, is niggas trying to HIP you simple minded muhfuckas to whats going on.
But my bad, PACINO, let me talk about some gangsta shit to get your attnetion.
Until you do the RESEARCH that’s available to you on the interent. And use your high speed service for something other than watching flix, and downloading niggas albums, don’t say shit.
Go on Barne’s N Noble, or Borders and order:
Revolutionary Suicide by Dr.Huey P. Newton
And read about how, WE, as black people, over the course of history, have been conditioned to STOP fighting for what’s right, because we’ve been shown that YOU CAN”T WIN.
Put down your fucking MP3 Player, your iPhone, turn off the TV and pick up some fucking literature ALL OF YOU.
Because it’s like they’ve always said:
IF YOU WANT TO HIDE SOMETHING FROM A NIGGA, PUT IT IN A BOOK.
Peace.
Boy (and I mean BOY in the most literal sense), I don’t need you to hip me to a damn thing. I may even be older than you. Stop actin like you know me when you don’t know a fuckin thing about me.
You ain’t up in here tellin me shit I don’t already know.
Australia is the safest country imo but weed still isnt legal…
I don’t vote and I can and will say whatever the fuck I wanna say about how things are run in this bitch.
fuckouttahere with that bullshit.
We just attacked Yemen… boy, do we like to spread love or what? The biggest peacemakers the world has ever seen. The N.E.R.D song “Lovebomb” comes to mind…
Needs more Immortal Technique
Obama should be impeached. He started a war without even consulting congress.
@theatakeishigh
He started a war? Where are the troops on the ground, where are the tanks and artillety. All I see are a bunch of French, British and a few U.S jets flying over the country.
Lupe is the same asshole who wont utter a peep if the U.S was attacked again by some radical Muslim coz of course its America’s fault that there’s crazy fucked up people out there. The U.S should just leave all those shitholes to their own devices and remain non-interventionist like it was in the early 20th century. See how quickly people like him will demand that the U.S play a role in helping out.
Move to Canada. Effective immediately.
ps: I don’t vote but I pay taxes. If the Government takes my money then I’m entitled to say what the fuck I want about the Government. Also, nuff respect to Chris because he’s not just talking about it HE IS ABOUT IT! Not constructing essays & posting them on fucking blogs about “how fucked the world is” and “what must be done for change”, fuckouttahere with that pedantic, pseudo-erudite crap.
i always wondered about the isolationalist thing in the long run yeah it would hurt our trade in the long run and our country would have to start producing a lot of things on its own raising cost but if congress maybe took back control of the tax money instead of all of it going to the fed reserve debt. (the govt. handed over all the country’s gold to the fed reserve back in the day and we pretty much run on financing now so taxes go toward the interest on the debt. the reason why our national interest usually involve our money making potential and outsiders fuckin with our money) maybe things would balance out in the long run as far as income to inflation… but then again i’m not an accountant lol but the discussions we have at work over this make it seem like an interesting topic to pursue
@ mr super cool yeah you don’t vote and yeah you can say what you want but nobody that matters is gonna hear you and whatever you say is just gonna be drowned out with the other irrelevant cries of anguish… if you don’t vote at least write a congressman a governor a senator a city mayor something shit! lmao they only look at the group as a whole not what an individual wants these are the kinds of people you have to go through to see a mass change but keep in mind nothing in a bureaucracy gets changed unless its ugly or makes a lot of noise such as us soldiers in the army understand the army won’t change something they figure is cost effective and already works until the old equipment has proven itself obsolete by killing at least a few hundred of us making us combat ineffective and useless and they need us to be useful lol also keep in mind the govt. you speak of is not omnipresent its a bunch of nerdy guys, naive young college grads, and good ole’ boys who are looking for a paycheck just like you and me and no they don’t know what you’re doing by watching you or listening to you on the phone unless you’ve done something dumb enough to draw attention to yourself like that lol
and nobody attacked yemen lmmfao please tell me you’re IN YEMEN and have pictures lmmfao no what yemen is experiencing is what looks like a civil war with more than two sides attempting a govt. coup what happens after their successful is gonna be the interesting part i think.
and @ K. Strict what is the point? lmao it’s a political discussion its gonna get ugly i just have fun jumping in and shutting down the barber shop and youtube hearsay
now as an exercise i’d like to see what everyone comes up with as a solution because believe it or not everyone in here is a constituent of the govt. and you are, hopefully, the ambitious future leaders of your various communities and the govt. i hope the best for you all and try to go back and read all the comments and do some research Goddammit! everyone old enough to realize their sex should know we have issues but it takes more courage to actually work out a solution think about some stay safe everybody and God Bless
and nobody attacked yemen lmmfao please tell me you’re IN YEMEN and have pictures lmmfao no what yemen is experiencing is what looks like a civil war with more than two sides attempting a govt. coup what happens after their successful is gonna be the interesting part i think.
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So every local and international media outlet reporting airstrikes and drone attacks on “al-qaeda” targets is wrong, right? Right.
For someone who’s supposed to be one of the more intelligent rappers…he says some pretty stupid things in real life and the reasons he gives to support his views make even LESS sense…if you DONT VOTE..DONT COMPLAIN…if you distance yourself from the political process..than do it completely..and def dont blame obama for things that were put into place way before he was even in office…do your homework lupe or just stick to making songs…your not well versed enough on these subjects to openly speak on them…
Sheesh, you niggas put the coffee on early today I see.
Kudos to Chris for being “about it” as one post put it.
As a former USAF Security Forces, I’ve done my time, and learned what I needed to learn from the U.S military.
But I realized what was going on when I went to “volunteer” for a 365 in Iraq.
We have BOYS and I do mean that literally, over there fighting a war they know nothing about.
Boys because they’ve never seen action, until they stepped on foreign soil.
Boy’s because only a BOY jumps into a fight, without knowing what he’s fighting for.
From the President, to the Joint Cheifs of Staff, to The Generals of the various military factions, there is a dissolution of information. And the boys who they send over to fight THEIR WAR, don’t even know what they’re fighting for.
The U.S Government is FUCKED all the way around.
Because we rely on resources that we’ve been depleting over hundreds of years.
Our economy was built upon GOLD, and that’s what the U.S dollar represents.
However, when you have NO MORE gold to match the PAPER MONEY you’ve printed, there’s your problem.
So yes, AMERICA is ACTING like a “terrorist” a “tyrant” and big fucking bully to other nations.
When kill to maintain OUR survival.
Until our Government is transparent, and the people realize that in US lay the POWER, we will be fucked, no lube, repeatidly.
Ok… y’all talk your little shit about me, but the last time a post like this came up i showed where and how each and every person can contact their representatives. Since this government is supposed to be for the people and the constitutiona and bill or rights are the law of the land, its easy enough to read them and see just how poorly this country is operating in regards to that. To each their own. While I have written hundreds of people over the past decade with the issues I see with this country, I am the one being called an idiot. I am the one being called anti-american. I am the one being called a loser. I never get overly angry here but seriously…
fuck all y’all talking that bullshit and not knowing anything about me or what I do.
Peace.
fuck all y’all talking that bullshit and not knowing anything about me or what I do.
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Damn Panda it’s ok man we ain’t gonna agree on everything.
Damn Panda it’s ok man we ain’t gonna agree on everything
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There is a difference between disagreeing and talking shit. If you didnt talk shit then know that wasnt meant for you. If you did, it was.
“and @ K. Strict what is the point?”
I’m all for friendly debate & choppin it up. And there’s some truth to what Lupe says. My point is, Lupe’s fanboys act like he’s a deep-thinking political martyr who did this for a noble cause. That ain’t why. He chose the most inflammatory, media-ready soundbite he possibly could cuz he knew it would make noise. That’s it.
“Obama is a terrorist.” That’s pre-packaged & ready to ship out to TMZ, Twitter, the blogs, etc. ‘Cuz for a guy that’s so book-smart & intelligent, there’s a 100 different ways he could’ve articulated that.
As for these other dudes, I don’t need to come to a blog’s comment box to learn about Huey Newton, foreign policy, gov’t conspiracies & political slogans. I have a well-stocked library at home for that.
@AARP its drone or two helping with air support thats not an attack lmmfao! no doubt you’ve seen a real attack on the news in 2002 in afghanistan and 2003 with the invasion of iraq lol somebody asked for help on one side in YEMEN it was given an attack is all out and sustained… let me assist you with the lingo that was a “strike” better yet “support” and it really aint that big of a deal cause some guy in the air force is sitting in an office out of harms way providing assistance to someone who needs it militarily without me having to leave the country again until our next rotation is up… and the media words things the way they do for a shock effect kind of like i’ve done this whole paragraph for emphasis because they wish to sell papers… i’ll call it an attack when my phone rings and my higher nco’s tell me theirs a unit recall and i’m headed to the tarmac to hop a bird thats taking me to yemen :-)
@K. Strict you are absolutely correct lol shit did get out of hand
@Mr. G im in the army so YOU KNOOOOWWWWWWW i hate the air force lmmfao except for the AF chicks and the JTAC guys they’re pretty awesome when it comes to their job but you know how we fell about those tiger stripe uni’s and suede boots lmmfao.
lupe has the political views of a kid in his summer into freshmen year of college
let me assist you with the lingo that was a “strike” better yet “support” and it really aint that big of a deal cause some guy in the air force is sitting in an office out of harms way
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First of all it wasnt just drones. Fighter jets were apparently involved as well. But lets say its just drones. How mind washed are you that they can tell you, “we sent drones into another country to support some people, the strike was successful and killed “x” amount of people”, and you dont think thats an attack? Thats what a strike is. its an attack. Jesus we are a backwards ass country sometimes.
well @panda when you’re ass actually joins a military branch or at least the enemy and gets into a war zone and waste a year of your life stomping through shit water and up hills and watching shit blow up and getting shot at all year while personally handling almost 30 dead bodies and actually having a kid die in your hands and digging through body parts looking for signs of life while not getting any pussy or alchoholic beverages whatsoever then you can tell me the definition of attack and who’s back wards cause i mean you never being there and telling me what the fuck it is sounds pretty backwards to me and the minor details of a fighter jet or a drone either way the dudes they shooting at are an isolated part of the population and bad guys you misinformed, media scholar. congratulations for catching me being too lazy to mention the fighter jets mentioned in the article lmmfao let me print you off a masters degree in pettiness which ill sign with my dick… *steps away from podium, kicks open stage exit door, grabs starry eyed white bitch, and cruises of in black/black sports car*
@chris
Thats all good and well. The difference between a fighter jet and a drone is that a fighter jet has a live occupant in it that could be shot down. Another American citizen losing his or her life. And Im sorry if you cant understand that when you kill someone, you are in fact attacking them. Its not that hard of a concept to understand. No matter how the military markets it as a “strike” or “support” its still an attack. Period. My point has always been and continues to be lets stop losing our citizens abroad fighting countries that have never attacked us. Lets stop wasting all of our money on military while our country falls apart inside out. Lets stop being so damn aggressive worldwide. We demand the rest of the world follow rules we feel we ourselves dont have to follow. We overthrow governments that arent cooperative with us. Its crap. Now I understand you are angry cuz Im a pussy for not wanting to get killed by someone in some other country I have no reason to be in, but really man, all that shit you are talking is just that. Its a shame the military doesnt make sure the people representing us in other countries arent more mentally mature. Even more important, its a shame the military doesnt make sure they are putting guns in those same peoples hands.
^i totally wish i had an assistant pimp to co sign after that one lmao
experience always snubs cnn and foxnews dude lmao and don’t read into the words im using read into the message i’m conveying lol
*helps to repair broken stage door*
ok ok we’re mature, we’re mature lmao you’re right i am talking shit just for the sake of talking shit but honestly the only govt. i can remember america has overthrown that was uncooperative was iraq and thats a whole ‘nother set of bs which happened for various silly reasons but it’s done. the fight for yemen is another assist plain n simple just like libya it costs way too much financially and personally for us to go over there and get stuck in another mexican standoff. when our country allies itself with another they have obligations to each other ghadafi became pres. under the pretense he run things peacefully and he didn’t when people started asking questions just like the very ones in this post he sent police to beat them and agents to snatch them away or kill them the very people who are trying to overthrow the yemeni govt. are inspired by afghanistan of the 1990′s where it was basically make each man a soldier under the flag of al queda and raise each son to follow suit the kids werent learning the same stuff in school you did they studied weapons then islam, bomb parts then more islam so when it came time that they needed a willing suicide driver or vest wearer or simply a fighter they could just manipulate the words of islam to manipulate the people into doing what they want. the western world from europe to america even russia helps out gets involved because of lessons learned from the revolutions in the 70′s 80′s and 90′s and finally iraq. we wont ever get involved fully in yemen and libya because of lessons learned but we also learned that when we offer our help we must actually give people our help or they will never trust us (a’la iran, iraq) and all that talk about pilots over yemen and libya in the military no matter the branch we don’t play the victim card (though the politicians and media use us like billboards n shit) we know what we were getting ourselves into and we love and are proud of what we do. we don’t expect pity and we don’t like it. just learn from us and elevate yourself someday to a leadership position and make the decision that keeps us home when it comes to the next big one…
and p.s. im a combat line medic i don’t kill people i save them and that was not an attack it was in support and defense of the yemeni govt. who is being attacked.
@chris
just learn from us and elevate yourself someday to a leadership position and make the decision that keeps us home when it comes to the next big one
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That has been my point. I try. I write my local and federal leaders as I stated before. One person can only do so much but i try and i try to convince other to as well but some that see it my way are too lazy and some dont agree with my feelings on keeping our troops home.
As far as the overthrows (or attempts) of other governments. Ill only start from the 70′s on. There were close to two dozen recorded attempts prior to that but lets focus on the last 40 years cuz I dont have it in me to scrounge all of them up…
-Chile 1973. Overthrew a democratically elected government.
-Iraq 1973-75. Try to help the Kurds and put Sadaam into power.
-Argentina 1976. Help overthrow a democratically elected gov’t but distance ourselves from it for a few years because of the human rights violations necessary to put down the popular gov’t
-Afghanistan 1980′s. Help the mujahideen to throw out the Soviets, lay the foundation for Al Queda with our weapons, money, and training.
-Iran/Iraq 1980. Played both sides off each other in their war to destabilize both govt’s.
-Nicarauga 1980′s. Planted mines and other explosives in civilian harbors and sunk civilian ships to create distrust in their gov’t. Trained contra guerillas.
-El Salvador 1980′s. Supported the Salvadoran military gov’t in killings of guerillas and civilians, then in 1993 we helped put the same guerillas into power. 75,000 were killed.
-Phillipines 1986. Made their leader step down after supporting his rule for decades as he blatantly violated human rights and took his country for billions of dollars.
-Venezuela 2002. Attempted to create strife and overthrow democratically elected Hugo Chavez and his gov’t. Succeeded until the country demanded Hugo Chavez be put back into power.
-Haiti 2004. Removed Astride after we had previously put him into power.
-Palestine 2006. Collaborated with the Palestinan authority and Israel to overthrow Hamas. It failed.
-Somalia 2006-07. Helped anti-islamic warlords and ethiopian troops to overthrow the Islamic gov’t because the gov’t was unsympathetic to US interests.
Not every coup we attempt is necessarily morally wrong. And sometimes some of the other countries have asked for help. As you said, if its an ally we should help. However if it isnt, it isnt any of our business.
“The right of self government does not comprehend the government of others” — Thomas Jefferson
And to the folks who say that folks are just making generalizations or dont know much of what their talking about, first year of college type stuff… why are you the same people who say things are too long to read and you dont feel like it when a factual argument is presented? You know, just wonderin is all.
*they’re*
i respect lupe alot for saying what he said. obama is the biggest wall street president weve ever had…ever. the central bank and globalist are very content on how obama has blinded everyone with hope and patriotism these last 4 years.u guys do ur research before u judge lup he knows what hes talkin about…get ur head out of that fuckin tube/box watch wat u watchin big brother is watching..our presidental and political life in america is all a big hoax and a big attempt to dumb everyone down on whats really happening!!!! america is headed towards a newworldorder and obama is more than happy to “guide” us there. goodnight
Well said @chris & @panda
Chris you already know there’s no love lost haha. I never fit in in the AF anyways, I was a “dirtbag airman”, I talk shit, to whoever “fuck your rank” was a phrase I was known for.
@K.Strict
Didn’t mean to offend my brother, but saying he did it for the reason’s YOU think he did it for, is your opinion.
I don’t know why he did it, but I do know, that in a spurr of the moment situation we all say things without fully thinking shit through.
Like I said, if it was said to get people talking, then Kudos to Wasalu, because he has a bunch of young brothers discussing this topic, something that needs discussing.
All that should be taken from this incident is that WE as American citizens need to pay MORE attention to our Government. Not the media’s portrayal of our Government, but their actual actions.
Not the sex scandals, the twitpic dick picks, the babies out of wedlock, But what’s going on in Senate meetings.
Patriot Acts being revised, and extended.
Police forces being given the power to enter citizens homes at will.
Less focus on celebrities and the like, and more focus on the people WHO WE GAVE THE POWER, to dictate what happens to US, Our Children, and Our Childrens Children.
By the way,
That PoV: President Obama & Staff in the Situation Room “photo” was PURE propaganda.
wow, this was war. the comments section, i mean.
don’t ya’ll love freedom of speech!!!
Lupe’s trolling.
Put out a goddamned worthwhile new tape (or at the very least a song) and then he can be part of the musical discussion again.
Do any of you work in the feds? If so what do you do? This blog attracts many intelligent people from all walks of life, but unless your an international journalist with first hand, untainted access to unavailable info to the public, 98% of US are taking info that fits OUR beliefs and OUR truths.
The info about global politics is hearsay even if it’s the associated press reporting it. Unless you are IN THE FIELD when “it” happens.
Basically EVERYTHING you read should be taken with a grain of salt.
That includes religion. I believe in MY FAITH, but even MY FAITH is subjective to others outside of ME.
I don’t care if you know people in the military personally that have been there to experience or have witnessed the “TRUTH”. If YOU personally didn’t experience or wasn’t physically there then it simply is not FACT.
When our President came on TV to tell us that Osama had been murked, I could either believe him or not. President Clinton lied on national TV about an affair. I’m not saying I believe one over the other, but I personally haven’t been given a reason not to take what The current President said as truth.
I’m sure there’s more to it than we’ll ever know or perhaps it is what it is.
check this one Beatnuts together with Alkaholiks
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@BEZ i assure you the rantings of a bunch of guys not really saying anything particularly important to the intelligence community (with 80% not even know what the hell they’re talking about) i most likely not being watched nor investigated lmmfao! it takes a hell of a lot more than a discussion over Lupe fiasco that will be forgotten in another week to draw washington’s attention *smmfh* lmao but you are right i know of about 3 people who have actually revealed themselves to be in the military in these kinds of discussions there’s definitely a gap between us and civilians in knowledge as to what we actually do over there its very rare for the western media to be found in actual fights they mostly stick around the larger bases and get their news from different sources and peice them together i’ve got a couple of stories my self of shit happening then me looking at the news back at home and seeing the entire story fucked up lmmfao half the damn world hates my platoon because they the locals overheard a female interpreter attached to us for a mission say something out of anger and the press sitting around sipping coffee at Bagram took that story directly out of the afghan news papers so even though we didn’t, the world now thinks we killed a car full of 10 year olds coming home from volley ball practice… guess who printed it the most CNN, FOX NEWS, and The New York Times fuck em all i don’t respect any media types they don’t really give a fuck about us the just use us to sell papers
lupe, stop bringing your lyrics into the political stage of reality. your poetry is for the hip-hop songs you create, not for the public philosophical discourse in which you are attempting to enter. bizarre. [herdmycattle.com]
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So every local and international media outlet reporting airstrikes and drone attacks on “al-qaeda” targets is wrong, right? Right.
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Did you read the article “The United States and Yemen are taking on Islamic militants on the land and from the air amid fears that al Qaeda is exploiting the political chaos and leadership vacuum engulfing the unstable and impoverished Arabian Peninsula country.” The US aaaannnnddd Yemen. Are we attacking Yemen with Yemen, NO. We are attacking a terrorist cell that partially resides in Yemen. And from what Ive read in the link YOU HAVE PROVIDED. its with Yemens cosign.
“The Yemeni government has a strong partnership with the U.S. government, especially in the field of counterterrorism,”
so shut that shit up about “We just attacked Yemen”
In other news AIR FORCE all day!!!
Lupe stays real, i dont like his Lasers BS but he is still politically on point. Seriously move past the whole “But Obama’s Black, he cant be bad.” Guess what, wars still going on, he extended the patriot act, he expanded conflict into more countries, his work on healthcare is a joke, his handle on the financial crisis is laughable (watch inside job). People become terrorist as a result from our aggressive foreign policy. He wont change it, he participates in the same private interest. Dems and Republicans are one in the same.
lupe’s being perfectly consistent with his anarchist political leanings here. the fact that obama’s currently president is irrelevant. he would have said this about bush or clinton or papa bush or reagan…
the point is the u.s. is a violent country and has always been a violent country. Violence is a major piece of our foreign policy. The president is the figurehead of the nation. Invoking his name is a metaphor for U.S. policy in general.
lupe’s probably diggin his own grave by going this route, but at least he’s being consistent with what he believes, whether or not you agree with him. now as to the intelligence of wording it this way on public television…well, lupe has always been a bit of a moron from a PR standpoint.
As 100k stated Lupe is a smart dumb nigga.
He has his right to his opinion; I just don’t agree with it.
lups speaks the truth.
voting is meaningless.
focus on yourself, ignore politics. the better you become, the better the world will become.
dont think some dumb black president is going to save you, he’s just an elite old white man’s puppet.
at the end of the day, who cares? Didn’t we already go through this Publicity Stunt once before, where another black rapper (Kanye West), said our former president didn’t like black people & all of a sudden he became the talk of the town, going on talk shows & snagging up all the attention. & people eat it up like its food for thought, don’t fall into this never ending cycle of these cries for attention artist pull on the public, lupe says obama a terrorist! who cares! at one point the british considered americans to be terrorist, when all americans wanted was there own independence. how loosely people throw around the word terrorist with know true understanding of the people they use it on, its a vague word, that holds different meaning to different people. Im sure obama isn’t losing any sleep over being called a terrorist, & Im sure Bobby Seale & Huey Newton didn’t either when they where called it. So in the end WHO REALLY cares what lupe opinion is., his record label should consider him a terrorist for getting his fans to cause an uprise & getting them to release that toxic trash he called an album to the general public.
Lupe is blinded by his naivety and apathy. “Shits fucked up so there’s no point” would have most of us still picking cotton. Even worse he is in a position of influence and money to actually affect others yet cowers away from it.
Typical learned helplessness response.
And if he really believed he was living in country controlled by terrorist but continues to support said terrorist country by paying taxes and benefiting financially when he clearly has options to escape would make him a terrorist supporter.
y’all are wilding out! And I agree with ekim.
Actions speak louder than words, but he just seems to have a fuck all opinion about the situation. If he really felt as strongly about it as he claimed, he’d be using that right-hand of his to slap down his passport for a flight outta here.
I don’t think you guys will catch that one, but I just felt a muslim joke was needed due to this raging comment box.
Did you read the article “The United States and Yemen are taking on Islamic militants on the land and from the air amid fears that al Qaeda is exploiting the political chaos and leadership vacuum engulfing the unstable and impoverished Arabian Peninsula country.” The US aaaannnnddd Yemen. Are we attacking Yemen with Yemen, NO. We are attacking a terrorist cell that partially resides in Yemen. And from what Ive read in the link YOU HAVE PROVIDED. its with Yemens cosign.
“The Yemeni government has a strong partnership with the U.S. government, especially in the field of counterterrorism,”
so shut that shit up about “We just attacked Yemen”
In other news AIR FORCE all day!!!
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Damn… people are still commenting on this? Geez.
So because Yemen cosigns US-lead attacks in their own country it must mean it’s all good, right? Sorry, but Yemen is one of the last countries I would want to use as an example to make a valid argument about counter-terror and foreign policy. The fact that the attacks were an attempt to eliminate the elusive boogey-men doesn’t take away from the reality that innocent people are being put at risk of death by people pushing buttons on targets like it’s a video game. Shielding your eyes to the facts will not redefine the truth. Sorry.
Gotty is a typical forum nerd..judging the world from his mother’s basement, while at the same time, refuses to acknowledge any form of intelligent debate and/or criticism
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At the end of the day, LUPE DOES NOT VOTE. As such his points are no longer valid. A man as “smart” willingly gives up his LEGAL, NON-TERRORISTIC right to decide WHO runs our country isn’t ACTUALLY that smart. Tell Lupe to STFU and cut his hair and that dumb mustache he’s trying to grow.
@Evan Benford im laughing my ass off at you and that dumbass “inside job” lmmfao really?!?! these terrorist you speak of go into the biz cause its money in that shit lmao its a big ass racket and huge gang with thousands of sub gangs but you wouldn’t know that cause you’ve never actually met a real terrorist before lmao they don’t do it for religion you douche its about the money, power, territory, and paid dues im kinda mad nona yall will see it for yourselves cause im tired of arguing the point but im kinda glad to cause that means what we’ve been doing for 10 years actually worked but i won’t tell you cause you wouldn’t believe me cause you never been there
Lupe is right about Obama and about the uselessness of voting in America. Unless someone is rich there is literally no point in voting for anybody in this piece of shit country. If we vote for a Republican we end up with a bankster-fellating conservative… and if we vote for a Democrat we end up with a bankster-fellating conservative in a thin disguise.
The reason for this is quite simple: Conservatives who won’t do anything to meaningfully change the status quo whether they have an R or a D next to their name are all that the billionaire ruling elite will fund. The American electoral process is nothing but an elaborate, expensive dog & pony show held every few years to make us peons feel like we have some kind of a say in what governs us. We clearly do not. It doesn’t matter in the least if the current marionette of Wall Street is white, black or anything in between, male or female, northern or southern. Doesn’t matter. They are all the same bullshit with different packaging. No matter who wins, we, the average non-wealthy person in this country, always lose. Every. Fucking. Time.
That’s why it is so funny to see blue collar redneck Republicans foaming at the mouth as if Obama is some kind of leftie. WTF administration have they been watching??? The one I’ve been watching has failed to raise the minimum wage to make it approximate a living wage, failed to do anything whatsoever on the Employee Free Choice Act, has thrown money at Wall Street but done nothing to help wrongfully-foreclosed-upon homeowners, bailed out the auto industry with a deal built on the backs of massive concessions by the U.A.W., gave us a health care “reform” package that is the wet dream of the big insurance companies and Big Pharma but doesn’t give us affordable health care, has refused to indict Bush and Cheney for launching a war of aggression against Iraq or any of their other crimes against humanity, continues the Bush policy of harboring the right-wing C.I.A. terrorist Luis Posada Carrilles, appoints a rabid Zionist fascist as his White House chief of staff, follows the Bush plan on Iraq and ramps UP the gas pipeline war in Afghanistan. Obama is such a conservative Uncle Tom he makes Bryant Gumbel look like Shaft.
Unless someone is wealthy then there is NO POINT in voting for any candidate of any party in this rotten garbage heap of a country. And if someone IS wealthy it doesn’t matter who they vote for and they may as well flip a coin because the end result will be the same no matter who wins.
Obama’s 2012 reelection is assured as the bastards at Goldman Sachs and the rest of Wall Street have WAAYYYYYY too much invested in this steppinfetchit to switch whores, er, I mean horses, in mid-stream.
Obama is nothing but a highly-paid tool of the billionaire elite class.
I LOL’D at this cause Lupe’s right and you people don’t have a respectful way of showing your disagreement of opinion.