Or there’s this aforementioned unfinished ditty, that pales in comparison to the robust soundtrack of the actual LP, but still keeps its grip on reality. True, the album’s theme was to relish in the land of make believe, but how do you get more for giving a lesser amount? In other words, Kanye took us there, even in the face of criticism for his simplistic wordplay. He gave us that “feeling” without shoving a 30-piece orchestra in our faces. Somewhere along the lines of his Beautiful Fantasy and delight of getting Elton John to agree to be drowned out by eleven other artists, ‘Ye forgot to color the borders of his portrait with a touch of palability.
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Kanye West Feat. John Legend – “Eyes Closed”
Of course, 4.5 Cigs is nothing to scoff at in any instance, but especially when we are firmly cemented in a generation that’s more infatuated with first week numbers than a rating count. The strict recording regiment he provided for himself is something EVERY artist should try to mold their hustle after and he’s probably the only millionaire rapper who still constructs his projects with the hunger of a rookie. But crowning it with top honors just because it was “Kanye’s year” doesn’t quite add up when Mr. West doubled up on masterpieces so early in his career.
If thirsty followers proceed to copy MBDTF’s ballooned more music, less coherence blueprint, then fine, his genius will undeniably be recognized as transcendent in the R.E.M. realm. But is that really what we want from future recordings from promising artists with so much to offer? And then you would have to sit and ask yourself, “what does “The Joy” “got” that couldn’t be fulfilled by the fancy daydream?”


WTF are you guys talking about… criticizing the critics criticizing the music…
No need to validate your opinion with a “professional review”. If you enjoy something… good. If not… good.
for what it’s worth, i do think this was his best album. i know that’s saying a lot considering what’s come before, but i really felt like he poured every single ounce of himself into it. i dig the overkill. i dig the bombast. i love the epic nature in which it was recorded (that complex article about kanye’s hawaiian rap camp was really something). there’s not a single track that i’m ever tempted to skip on this album, and all his others had at least one.
all in all, i feel like MBDTF earned its perfect ratings. and you might as well call yours perfect, too, ’cause i don’t see anything ever gettin a 5 lol.
Or maybe people just gave it a perfect score because they genuinely felt that the album deserved it?
If MBDTF isn’t Ye’s best album, it’s close to it. I’m not sure I’d put it above College Dropout, but there’s a lot of nostalgia attached to that album that might create a bias.
bam baam bigalow says:
January 7, ’11 at 6:37 pm
WTF are you guys talking about… criticizing the critics criticizing the music…
No need to validate your opinion with a “professional review”. If you enjoy something… good. If not… good.
^ I give a H.A.M Co-sign !!!
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i personally thought graduation was better and this album has been generally overrated but i still like it just fine. quality all around and just my personal opinion.
lol @ thastrings
i dont see anything getting a 5 here either. TSS Crew are some strict fuckers. i applaud them for it though. Challenges the rappers to stay sharp. u have to think tho…if Late Registration and College Dropout are on the 5 scale…then alot of albums cant get 5′s because they dont stack up.
just imo
I don’t know why you guys seek to continually have arguements with people who disagree or have to validate yourself by posting the opinions of another journalist. You haven’t proven a point only proven that someones feels similar. You don’t have to validate anything.
You have a good website and you showcase some good artists and I really respect that but I don’t think you are very good at being journalists. Whether it’s arguing over ratings or trading barbs with angry commenters or whatever, why can’t you just write an article and let people take it for what it is without trying to defend or whatever? At a certain point I think the criticism you guys get must feel personal when I think it should be taken professionally.
I am sure I sound like a dick but I just thought it needed to be said.
Like I said before Kanye’s last opus is rockstar rap… Bobby Digital on sizzurp. RECOVERY after Kegger…. BluePrint3: The Couch Sessions…
Again, the only hiphop artists with egos and track records big enough to make something like My Beautiful Dark Twisted… are EM, will.i.am, Jay and Ye.
I gave it a soft 5 for that alone.
I been jammin that “eyes closed” the last couple days
Like I’m about to believe or care about anything the NYT writes. I think it’s just another case of a hater trying to knock down the deafening buzz created by this album. MBDTF was one of the few instances where the quality of the music matched the hype, and some people just aren’t too happy about it. It’s the best album I heard in 2010, probably one of the best albums I’ve ever heard.
I really don’t understand some people’s complaints about the album. Oh, so it’s over the top and bombastic? What did you expect from an egomaniac? Maybe I’m an egomaniac too, because I love it. Everything about MBDTF feels epic and it’s a pleasure to listen to it (although I wish Chris Rock would STFU about halfway through his monologue). If you want minimalistic BS, go listen to a Bon Iver album (ironic, ain’t it?). By the way, Kanye already gave you minimalistic on 808′s and people trashed it.
Perfect albums are in the ears of the beholder. My idea of a perfect album is one where I can zone out and enjoy every song. College Dropout, Late Registration, Graduation and 808′s & Heartbreak never did that, even though I enjoyed at least 3/4 of each of those albums. The NYT writer (and other assorted haters) might be feeling nostalgic about the CD sound that seems long gone in Kanye’s music, and that’s fine. Keep listening to it on repeat while the world passes you by. It’s an era that was trampled by musical evolution long ago. I still haven’t skipped a track on MBDTF.
Kanye West Feat. John Legend – “Eyes Closed”
If you think this is a 4.5 I know why you gave Kanye’s album such a high score.
Your easily impressed. This gets a 2.5. Kanye can’t even fit all his words in on some verses. The beat is well. Ungh.
I get it. Rap is stale. Is it so bad that when you smell a fart you think it’s a breath of fresh air. No one will be listening to this 2-5 years from now.
Who in there right mind is still listening to 808. When you get in your car do you put in your college dropout CD now that your damn near 30.
It’s his most ambitious album but I think it’s both its strength and weakness. At points (All of the Lights and Runaway primarily) it’s just overkill, like you said in your review.
I think for that reason his first two albums are superior. College Dropout was relatively safe ground artistically, but I think LR strikes a nice balance. Graduation was good but not at the same level of these 3.
The ArchAndroid took over 2010 for me…
Pssh… Everyone’z A Critic…
bam baam bigalow says:
WTF are you guys talking about… criticizing the critics criticizing the music…
No need to validate your opinion with a “professional review”. If you enjoy something… good. If not… good.
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I actually have to agree with bam. It sounds like TC is upset that critics didnt agree with his critical opinion of the album. Even though TSS gave MBDTF 4.5, I’m guessing TC gave it 3.5 or 4 cigs.
I DO agree with TC that MBDTF wasnt his best work (it was College Dropout).
overcome the hype.
MBDTF is a CLOSE second behind College Dropout. I can understand the overkill, but I’m a fan of instrumentals riding out. That shit will be a classic in my mind and at the end of the day, that is what really matters to me. I’ve listened to a lot of albums of several genres in 2010 and Kanye’s album is definitely the closest to actually withstanding the test of time.
I listened to the album for the third time through… it will be the last time. i give it a solid “meh”. college dropout was better than this.
Always felt this was the 2nd best in his catalog. I think Late Registration is the closest thing he’s come to perfection in terms of album making.
Whichever case, MBDTF tied with HIGO for best album of the year for me. I pick a new favorite song everytime I listen to Ye’s latest opus and How I Got Over is just a banger from start to finish.
“The Diddy/Dirty Money album = if all the nonsense written about the stupid Kanye album was actually true.”
that is the realest statement i read that has anything to do with the kanye album. the kanye album is a solid 3.5.
You have a good website and you showcase some good artists and I really respect that but I don’t think you are very good at being journalists.
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I’m not a journalist.
If you want my diehard personal opinion re: rating, I fall b/w a 4.5 and a 5. Some days I love it completely. Other days I see little stuff that keeps it from being a 5.
As far as opinions go, (again, speaking for myself only) I never really considered myself a critic and don’t care what too many others think and I’m always one to encourage others to feel the same way. My relationship w/an album will never be identical to anyone else’s. I’m okay w/that.
let’s be real,
while most publications aren’t at Source-level ridiculousness, we have to realize that ratings and reviews, from however prestigious an outlet, are still subjective and subject to hype (and the backlash against the hype). Everyone is so focused on ranking what is better than what, that they miss the point of the music, which is to make folks feel and nod their heads.
That’s the flaw of a perfect rating. People who gave CD or LR a perfect will have issue with MBDTF getting 5/5 or whatever just because they already judged one album to be his zenith. Bottom line, shit was dope. It lived up to the hype because people judged that it did and bought it and enjoyed it. What’s the difference between a 4.5 and a 5?
I think a lot of publications were dick riding Kanye and decided to give him top ratings to make up for giving him shit in the past.
It’s a good, ambitious album that deserves accolades but it isn’t perfect.
Like all his albums, it easily obtained an emotion which will give it unlimited replay value.
College Dropout = Nostalgia and refreshing mind
Late Registration = An up and down day
Graduation = Happy Day
808′s = Sad Day
MBDTF = Drunk or High day
Kanye gathers emotion, and he’s brought me back to getting buzzed with this album.
4/4.5
I listened to the album for the third time through… it will be the last time. i give it a solid “meh”. college dropout was better than this.
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This sums up my thoughts perfectly. Not understood the hype with this one at all.
No Ye album tops Late Registration!! Point blank period. but MBDTF makes a sweet number 2. And I’ve said this before TSS, this should’ve been a 5, but i guess there reallie isn’t a difference between a 4.5 and 5.
And I can’t hate you guys give better reviews that most (with the exception of the Pink Friday jumpoff lolz)…and fuck the haters you guys are much better journalist than the shit you see on other sites. I can’t even believe that was said. Overall I can ride with yall on most reviews, but I have a bone to pick with one or two, but then who doesn’t?
MBDTF was the shit for 2010 and most likely the best hip hop album of the year. but again Late Registration is his best…”can I talk my shit again!? I can’t believe I’m back up in this mutherfucker…I’ma be late tho…”
No Ye album tops Late Registration!! Point blank period.
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I’d add on, but there’s no need.
This sums it up.
“And I’ve said this before TSS, this should’ve been a 5, but i guess there reallie isn’t a difference between a 4.5 and 5.”
There really is though.
5 means Classic & MBDTF ain’t it.
BTW – I think TSS got the rating wrong.
Last Train To Paris shoulda got that 4.
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I still think the 4.5 cigs was an accurate rating. Kanye made an amazing album. And to it’s credit, it’s almost perfect. But for a site that does such indepth reviews, and rationalizes every drum kick and synth, you guys were fair. We may never see a 5 cig review out of TSS but I’m ok with that.
Keep doing what you’re doing TSS.
HA… co-sign Chris Searl
MBDTF = Drunk or High day
I listened to MBDTF from front to back when it came out. I was in a ‘good zone’ and the whole album just enhanced my feelin good.
Music always looses its potency over repeated listens… so its understandable that people feel like 2 months later the album was ‘overrated’.
Also… don’t forget Kanye dropped his epic Runaway video a few weeks before and I think that added to whole mystique and grandiose feel of the album…
No Ye album tops Late Registration!! Point blank period.
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^ Man… all this time I thought I was the only person that thought that. It is definitely the album with the most replay value IMO.
Truthfully, I don’t think that anything in Kanye West’s discography is below a 4 cig rating… and that’s saying a lot since I’m not a fan of 808′s at all.
MBDTF recieves a strong 4.75 cigs to my ears. Maybe some of that comes from the marketing behind G.O.O.D. Friday’s, but genius nonetheless.
1. Graduation
2. Late Registration
3. The College Dropout
4. My Dark Beautiful Twisted Fantasy
5. 808′s & Heartbreak (only listened to that album a couple times, ehhh. not for me)
2 & 3 can probably be switched around but Graduation is my personal favorite, hands down.
I always take College Dropout over anything Kanye has done but I’ll listen to Late Registration more fully I guess.
5 means Classic & MBDTF ain’t it.
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to me, the only problem with having the 5 cig rating standing for a “classic” is that classics can really only be determined in retrospect. it’s a bit of a paradox, no? i think this has been discussed before on this site.
it’s whatever, though. as i said, i don’t ever expect to see a 5 on TSS, and i’m ok with that. it’s good to have at least one review team in the world with super lofty expectations.
Who ever said archandroid took over 2010 knows what’s, what. That album is amazing and one of the best released in years…
TSS criticizing another critic is like Flavor Flav criticizing Soulja Boy for setting the race back.
I love TSS, but nah, homie… nah.
WTF are you guys talking about… criticizing the critics criticizing the music…
No need to validate your opinion with a “professional review”. If you enjoy something… good. If not… good.
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This.
I have respect for the writers of TSS but I do feel at times the over-analyzing gets in the way of appreciating not only the music but also devalues your original critiques and praises. Its almost mandatory that hiphop heads or Ye fans give College Dropout that “Classic” rating now but were aggins really saying that a week after they copped it? Don’t get me wrong, CD was probably one of the most influential discs of my life (no lie) but even I can admit to its shortcomings and realize that it was not a perfect album. All albums are subjective to the opinions of human beings regardless of the collaborative effort put into critiquing it. Everyone has their own idea of what constitutes a “Classic” or 5 star album.
When it comes to MBDTF I believe that Kanye finally was able to incorporate all the stylistic, musical, theatrical, grandiose, and fantastical elements that have been in his head for a long time into one project. Something that can’t really be said about his other works. What other hip hop album has come close to the (deserved) hype of this this one? And its not that the hype alone should give him top honors but Kanye was able to make hiphop more relevant than its been a very long time and extended the parameters of the genre so far out there that at times it was unbelievable that you were listening to a hiphop album. That is genius. I think he deserves the high accolades but that doesn’t mean that its all downhill from here. This should spur Kanye to make even greater music and to try and top himself.
TC, It was a well written article but it comes off as critiquing for the sake of critiquing for the sake of finding another critic who has a similar critique. What a mindf*ck.
pendantic
Is Kanye’s album perfect? No.
Is it good? Yes.
Kanye gets championed mainly because he is one of the few mainstream acts who actually has the courage to do something against the grain; ie, make a dope album that doesn’t have to sound like cliche bullshit. Fact is, he earned his stripes. Arguably, 4 out of his 5 album’s are hip hop “classics”. The guy pushes the boundary. He also is allowed to. Fact is the music industry on a mainstream level sucks, so anyone like Kanye of course is going to have critics in a tizzy. It is not in good critical taste to even review 90 percent of mainstream stuff it’s so bad.
Go to spin, pitchfork, or stereogum and tell me how many bands you know that they’re reviewing on a daily basis. Prolly 1 out of 5.
So here’s a chance to give a guy who is not only a mega celeb but an innovator (and not Lady Gaga making mediocre euro pop but dressing like a nut job “visionary”) a review. Of course it’s going to get the royal treatment!
Who else is going to get it???
I mean Pitchfork gave Lil B a got damn 7!
Kanye is a pioneer, and although he will be the first to let you know it, he is hip hop’s bridge to the snarky critical world and the watered down commercial world. It is because of him the Drake’s and Nicki’s even exist. He is the guy Jay Z looks to for musical direction.
It’s like this. If you walk into room full of women, and the room is jammed with all 5′s and 6′s (sorry), that one 7 or 8 is going to look Jessica Biel jumping on the bed in her underwear in Rules of Attraction.
Kanye’s seduction of the critical mass follows the same analogy.
The music world right now is full of 5′s and 6′s, so this 8 looks like a 10 and got all the glory.
It happens, and atleast it did occur to someone who has the balls to make it happen.
Thanks for your time.
Huh?
My Opinion
1. College Dropout
2. Graduation
3. Late Registration
MBDTF I need more time with it too early to tell where it will land among my favorite YE albums.
Forgot about 808′s don’t go back to that album that much but I still feel like that album pushed some boundaries and it’s definitely the sound that guys like Drake and Cudi took and made it their own so you have to give that album credit for what it did. its placed #4 in my list.
I must be the only one who thinks Graduation was his best CD
damn it took 4evr just 2get 2da bottom…….now
@mynameis… & fifths
completely concur
ths is ovrkill. he had a good album. n it sold(if tht mattrs). evrythng els is just critical masturbation.
LOVE this song BTW.
Kanye’s a fvckin gayfish. *puts the biz vs the nuge on repeat*
Seriously tho, this was a bloated dogfart of an album. Dude needs to lose ten years a few pounds and quit singing
cite your source bruh:
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I must be the only one who thinks Graduation was his best CD
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Great album, but it kinda lacked the depth of his earlier stuff.
Sounds phenomenal though, even when Ye ain’t saying shit.
All opinions are right…
All reviews are right…
because they’re subjective.
You can’t tell me I’m ‘wrong’ about music like I can’t tell you you’re wrong. What’s important is the interaction – we all know wherever we put the LP in our charts its a big event – from an artist who demands and therefore deserves all the interest.
This NY Times critic is a Kanye hater. I tried to read his initial review of the album but he kept talking about the GB and MTV incident. He was also apparantly upset that Kanye wouldn’t give him an interview.
Ya”ll are wackkkkk that believe that…
Don’t diss Ye” for “overkill”… and then listen to a Waka Flocka album.
Ye is changing Hip-Hop for the better…ya”ll always on your knees praying for “Hip-Hop to be Saved” then ya”ll get it and want to criticize…
Talentless mofos
@scourge. I totally agree with you. And just like J.Cole says “ironic you’ve been sleeping on the one that you’ve been dreaming bout.”