The backwash of success brings about a multitude of reactions. Some spectators shower with praise, some overanalyze, some are hypercritical of being critics in the first place. None of the above was ever that deep to KiD CuDi. Whereas most rap acts live–and thrive as a result–from being gazed upon in the public eye, Scott Mescudi has arguably seen his celebrity grow from acting akin to most famous rockers; a recluse. Barren of the infamous Twitter account and offering little excitement in his interviews (most of the time), CuDi strokes his ego the old-fashioned way: through music made solely for his liking regardless if your opinions are parallel to his. It was just over a full Earth orbit ago when the Cleveand, OH-bred manchild saw accolades bestowed on him with his debut Man On The Moon: The End Of Day. Initially chastised for his simplistic and, at times, off-key harmonizing, it was eventually his hit-making prowess that spawned staples like “Day N Nite,” “Sky Might Fall” and “Make Her Say” that established him a fanbase in the blossoming stages of the current Digital Age.
Setting his coordinates to “zone,” Cudder is back in the company of the stars with Man On The Moon II: The Legend Of Mr. Rager. A more expanded glimpse into his dopamine receptors which makes for a noble subsidiary into his catalog if nothing more.
With CuDi’s frame of mind, he’ll forever be more Andy Kaufman than Neil Armstrong so accusing him of any sort of chemical imbalances may come off as a compliment. The Legend Of Mr. Rager delves deeper into an experimental projection of his artistic preferences. Not playing by the rules, the tripped-out “MANIAC” finds CuDi fancying thoughts about lurking in the shadows as a ghoul in a vengeful manner. The ode to the album’s protagonist, “Mr. Rager,” is a brilliant example of the master of melody Cudder has become with hypnotic vocals that stick to your gut consonant to a bottom feeder in the ocean.
The aforementioned rockstar is ever present, showing his colors on the catchy “REVOFEV” while diversifying his harmony on “Trapped In My Mind,” which is both awkward and captivating like a marionette dancing center stage. Equally deserving the credit is the core ensemble of producers in Emile, Plain Pat and No I.D. who have somehow developed an unique brand of Baroque pop to match the stylings of Hip-Hop’s favorite spin doctor. Plenty of hollowed rhythms and anti-climatic yet progressive orchestration accompany Mr. Rager on his journey to make it that more memorable.
Of course the general prognosis of experimentation is a high-risk, high-payoff ordeal and in CuDi’s case, the option to choose not to match his previous Top 40 chart-toppers reveals boldness as an artist but doesn’t exactly score extra points in song quality. The poppy heartwrencher in “Erase Me” comes the closest with its sing-a-long chorus and Kanye West star power booster but pitting it right against the drudged clanking of “Wild’n Cuz I’m Young” is like chasing an upper with downer for the negating effect. Also missing is the sense of geniality in CuDi’s depressed happiness. Telling the people “Don’t Play This Song” was futile on the predecessor as the emotional vibes were immediately felt without any sort of studio undermining. And then there’s just straight up clunkers. Personal tastes or not, the intricacies of CuDi’s lyrics are still flimsy comparably speaking, as shown when he skates around the issue of logic on “Ashin Kusher” (If you really knew man/I don’t really worry about it/niggas tryin’ to judge/who are you—Judy???).
Flawed but never finagled, the sequential cohesiveness of The Legend Of Mr. Rager ultimately allows a bygone to be a bygone and smoke its weed in peace. For there’s only one KiD CuDi and his uniqueness is exactly what makes him one of us, all the same.



4.
Interesting rating…so far that places Drake as the highest ranked album of the year…thats crazy LOL…
It’s like Pilot Talk, I would have like a 4 but I can understnad a 3.5
So far I like the album, I respect TSS but in the words of Stringer Bell,
“y’all niggas is giving me way too many 40-degree days!”
every album gets within a 1 cig rating…
4, but I’ll take the 3.5. I literally waited till 1 AM to listen to the album. Amazon’s has my CD coming in tomorrow, but Imma leave it in the wrapper. Erase Me surprisingly grew on me and I absolutely LOVE The End and REVOFEV
Overall, I enjoyed the album, but it did have it shortcomings, mainly with the last sprint of the album. GHOST! was annoying track to listen to and I feel Trapped In My Mind and All Along should have been switched. While I don’t feel the emotion is as genuine as the first MOTM, it’s definitely a great listen.
at first wasn’t feeling it…after a few rotations shit jus grew on me can give it a full rotation now
Is it me or does Kid Cudi just ramble and grunt through songs that are barely understandable? I get the appeal, he’s a wild, drunken weed-head with some good moody beats to boot. But I find his music to be uninteresting and lifeless for the most part.
#corrections
“it was eventually his hit-making prowess that spawned staples like “Day N Nite,” “Sky Might Fall” and “Heard ‘Em Say” that established him a fanbase”
don’t you mean “Make Her Say”
@ noneofyourbusiness: Yep, your assertion is right on the money my ninja. Cudi should just stick to making hooks in my opinion.
He’s a MOTM- needs 2 try harder just IMO…
this album sucks, his style sucks and this review sucks.
2 and a half cigs would have been quite generous…
that 40 degree post is my favorite post ever.
@drhiphop85
Can’t imagine Drake will stay on top when MBDTF drops
leaks are stupid good
I’ve had dark fantasy and gorgeous in heavy rotation
I listened to two Non-G.O.O.D Friday leaks/Non Singles from Ye’s album. I’ll wait till it hits November 22 to listen to the album, because mine gets shipped that day.
Pre-order FTW!
@Anthrin: that “The End” beat? One of my favorite of the year thus far. However, I’d have to disagree and say that “GHOST!” is actually my favorite track of the album. It’s MOTMII’s “Cudi Zone.”
And I’m surprised there aren’t more negative comments towards the album’s rating so far. From my own personal opinion, this album was a solid 3.5 cigs.
cuddr.wht can i say???.u hit da nail on da head sayn da guy cant rap. so him tryin is laughable.wit tht said da man makes fuckn hits! say wht u want about erase me tht shit is a smash. revofev, mr rager, all da previously releasd jawns could hav been chart toppers n anybody elses catalog. i hav yet 2 listn 2 ths album im sure ths review is on par.
so wait….drake got da highest rating??? wht did big boi get? i 4get.
*(telephone busy signal)
*marijuana affects da memory….
Rolling Stone just gave Kanye album 5 stars…
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/reviews/album/45342/232350
@Gz up
i read tht article earlier. its not so much a review as it is an ego stroking 4 mr west. way 2 go rolling stone. way2 rub ye da rite way…..
The track Ashin Kusher. As raw and funky as those drums are Cudi still manages to Ohhh it to some weak, mood swinging, pop sounding blah. Can’t even explain it really. The track starts so hard and heavy and you kind of have that scrunched up face then the chorus hits and it’s like what the fuck just happened. Thats basically how I feel about this entire album. If Cudi was just a better rhymer he wouldn’t have to rely so heavily on his ooohhh’n and ahhhh’n, but i guess he has as many fans as he does cus of that.
Who else laughed at him trying to impersonate Krayzie Bone on that Marijuana track?
Kanye’s label paid for ***** from RS for Late Registration, too.
RS ratings haven’t been relevant in at least 20 years. Jann Wenner and Rob Sheffield are the two worst music “journalists” I have ever read and that includes every internet blog ever.
Cudi remains garbage who stumbles on one or two great songs on his album. On the last one, it was “Day N Nite” and “Pursuit of Happiness”; this one has “REVOFEV” and…umm…I kind of like “Mr. Rager” even if it is repetitive as hell. “Wylin Cuz I’m Young” has a hard beat but both Cudi and Kanye suck shit on it. That “Erase Me” track is some good charlotte ish too. Two cigs, two and a half tops if you like the style. Not even worthy of mentioning in the same sentence as Pilot Talk although it will lap it in sales.
This and “Teflon Don” got same rating, I think I gotta go with “tears of Joy…”
I disagree with the rating. This is at least between 4 and 4.5 cigs to me.
I love the way the album’s themes are a perfect follow up to what was presented in the first album. The alienation, loneliness, paranoia, and drug haze that marked the arrival of his debut necessitated that this album follow Cudi into the abyss that fame apparently forces every new star to fall into. Cudi does this with more depth and emotion than Drake, or B.o.B., or Wale, and like you said, he seems to revel in his flaws. He boasts in complex that he’s past rapping cuz its too easy, and if you look at his lyrical content you could say flimsy, but I think his flow, musicality and innovative ideas on the hip hop scene push him past needing to be lyrically complex. He compensates, in other words, but it never feels like over compensation because all of the other robust aspects of his musical gift are done so effectively.
The sound on this album is incredible. The producers and engineers should be proud of the way they were able to help Cudi tell a story through mixes, distortions, live instruments and programming. Its all distinct, and when Cudi tries to bring in influences outside of the realm of everyday boom bap, it feels authentic, like the St. Vincent sample on MANIAC. When he gets into the traditional Hip Hop fare on “The End”, “Ashin Kusher”, and “Mojo So Dope” and “Wild’n Cuz I’m young”, the lyrics are less the point and more the tool to create the mood he’s trying to achieve, as well as a means to push the plot along. Moments like the judge judy line come off as corny but in a charming way, and are really ignorable when you hear his explanation for his crazy antics “Even if I do something unruly/ I be like fugg it nigga I was prolly zooted”. I admit, Ashin Kusher is not a musical high point, but clunker?
The album is full of musical high points though. I love the different directions that “Marijuana” drives in. The juxtaposition of choir and deep 808′s create a melancholy adventurist attitude where Cudi thrives. The subject matter could be silly or playful as Curren$y and Khalifa have shown time and time again, but instead, Cudi and crew give the song a an dismal rock that makes marijuana sound like a solution wrapped in a problem. “Always have my blunt” a simple line, but with all the buildup and mood it comes off as celebratory his slavery to his vice, his savior. Who’s making that move with their weed anthems?
I think my favorite song on the album is “GHOST!”. It captures a feeling I see a lot in my generation (21 and younger), the sense of isolation and alienation that are the paradoxical biproducts of hupervisible. In a way its like black folk are always trying to be hypervisible, to counteract that Invisible Man feeling. Cudi’s strength is his willingness to wrestle with these feelings and GHOST!, in its laid back, off key, stoned out, distorted way not only affirms speaks to the pride people take in their experience, despite shortcomings and setbacks, but also the fear of becoming a memory, a walking dead, apathetic and something to be feared, miserable, introspective, and invisible. “I hope they understand, that I really understand that, they don’t understand”. Its so simple its silly but it makes perfect sense.
Higher rating. imo.
‘Ye also deserved those *****s. Transcendental work garners all the dick-stroking, ego-boosting ratings it receives.
3.5 cigs !!?!?!?!?!??!??
I FEEL LIKE I’M TAKING CRAZZYY PILLS TC
I need to say this even if I’m blacklisted at SS
SS, you have skilled writers.
But, you get so damn consumed being overly critical of every nuance that we always end up with 3.5 cig.
Hiphop albums don’t lend themselves to being dissected like the Zapruder film.
SS is not be the only ones that try to quantify and intellectualize their subject until these lose focus.
4.5 MIC SOURCE ALBUMS
* Breaking Atoms — Main Source
* Death Certificate — Ice Cube
* The Chronic — Dr. Dre
* Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) — Wu-Tang Clan
* Ready to Die — The Notorious B.I.G.
* The Infamous — Mobb Deep
* Only Built 4 Cuban Linx… — Raekwon
* 2001 — Dr. Dre
ooooppsssss…
I bet that ‘f- me’ interlude from Ready to Die cost it 5mic status.
my point:
1. there are way too many 3.5 cigs coming out of SS
2. your job is to critique but don’t be so overly critical that you aren’t content until you find flaws.
3. .5 is always a hedge/copout (just like 4.5 mics)
It may sound like hate, but I only have love for SS.
-Cakes
Free turkeys from now until New Year’s. Everything’s getting a fuckin 4 or better!
@ GZ up :
- Quit biting my line
I said that about TC’s review of Runaway Video. Get your own Schtick on SS.
or at least throw me a nod.
hahaa
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donnyCakes says:
October 25, ’10 at 8:56 am
something tells me if TC were to do a review, this would be stamped with the obligatory 3.5cigs
too many “40degree days” coming out of the review dept. on SS.
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Gz Up says:
November 9, ’10 at 10:14 pm
So far I like the album, I respect TSS but in the words of Stringer Bell,
“y’all niggas is giving me way too many 40-degree days!”
every album gets within a 1 cig rating…
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The sonics on this shit are amazing.
There.
seein as cudi can’t rap his way out of a liquid cocaine moistened paper bag, i wouldn’t really call this a hip-hop album, per se.
however, as a skinny-jeans-dick-in-tha-booty-ass album, yeah it gets a 3.5
The sonics on this shit are amazing.
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and that, too.
@Dizzy (or Kid Cudi)
You should probably just update your blog with that screed…
@ donnyCakes you should take your own advice since that quote goes back to a post from June of 2008… Here’s a new quote for you…
“Some people are so behind in the race, they actually think they are leading…” (c) Junior Soprano
@ Gz Up
- Quit biting my line
I said that about TC’s review of Runaway Video. Get your own Schtick on SS.
or at least throw me a nod.
hahaa
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donnyCakes says:
October 25, ’10 at 8:56 am
something tells me if TC were to do a review, this would be stamped with the obligatory 3.5cigs
too many “40degree days” coming out of the review dept. on SS.
@GZ up
… june of 2008, I’m skeptical, at best.
but well played.
ether
http://smokingsection.uproxx.com/TSS/2008/06/stringer-says
@Deen
lol just a fan disappointed with the rating. tryin my hand at reviewing shit but maybe my objectivity is lacking a bit.
but i do get a lil tired of the 3.5 cigs for a lot of albums on this site. I really like the writing style and personalities of SS, but Drake can’t be a 4.5 when Cudi and Curren$y get 3.5. Both former albums should be a 4 at least in my opinion.
My synopsis:
I wasn’t really expecting good flows from him, but his melodies we’re on point. The dude just has an ear for music.
Not gonna comment on the lyrics right now.
Songs that stuck with me on the first couple of listens:
Don’t Play This Song
Marijuana
Manica
Mr. Rager
Maybe (Itunes pre-order bonus)
Also, if you just don’t like Kid Cudi: Ple-Please don’t play this album.
@ dizzy
COOL
STORY
BRO
Hiphop albums don’t lend themselves to being dissected like the Zapruder film.
SS is not be the only ones that try to quantify and intellectualize their subject until these lose focus.
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What he said.
Late Registration is a 4 cig album that thinks it’s 5 (“We Major” would be the best example of what I’m saying here), and if that wasn’t bought and paid for it was at the very least Rolling Stone’s old white ass trying to make a play at relevance.
That said, My Dark Beautiful Twisted Excessively Long Album Title is 4 cigs already based on the leaked tracks alone. “All of the Lights” has been popping up in my head all the damn time since TSS threw it up last week.
Cudi’s lazy mumbling ass doesn’t deserve half the press he gets. He is like a hybrid of the most annoying qualities of Drake and Wale wrapped in nice production, and the person- even more so than Constable Rose- that proves that nice production alone doesn’t make you nice.
I am not going to hate on TSS for giving press to Cudi when they should be FOCUSING ON DA REAL HIP HOP FOR DA HEADZ AND NOT THIS BUBBLEGUM POP SHIT, since if it weren’t for TSS I wouldn’t have become obsessed with Curren$y or Danny Brown, to name only two off the top of my head out of dozens.
Hey speaking of Brown, here are some recent free tapes courtesy Kevin Nottingham that I don’t think got put up here (although I do know the “Hybrid” title track got a post). I haven’t listened to all of them yet. “It’s an Art” is apparently all from sessions he did with Blu, who I didn’t know did any work behind the boards.
Listen to these instead of Cudi’s lame ass.
The Hybrid Cuts
1. 8 Mile
2. Jus Chill
3. The Hybrid
4. Dance Wit Me
5. Demons and Angel
6. Hey!
7. Metal Gear Solid
8. 1 Step (prod. by Quelle)
9. Sleep
10. Danger Zone
11. Tea Time
12. God of War
13. Stay On
14. What I Talk
15. 4 Get Yo Name
16. Wake Up
17. Rainbow (feat. Marv Won, Dopehead, & Fatt Father) (prod. by Curt)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/cpksy0
Browntown
1. Save My People
2. Track 3
3. Broke Shit
4. Demons and Angel
5. I’m Out
6. Fastline
7. Metal Gear Solid
8. Track 8
9. No Can Do
10. On My Mind
11. Stay On
http://www.sendspace.com/file/1vrtz0
It’s A Art
1. Feat Hybrid
2. Alrite Huh
3. Can’t Find My Mind
4. Change
5. Detroit State of Mind Pt. 2
6. Don’t Wanna Be Lonely
7. Friday Night
8. It’s A Art
9. Lemme Know
10. Let It Burn
11. Low
12. Made A Mistake
13. Peaches
14. The Grump
15. U Guessed It
16. What Yo Name Is
http://www.sendspace.com/file/d1gjet
“It captures a feeling I see a lot in my generation (21 and younger), the sense of isolation and alienation that are the paradoxical biproducts of hupervisible. In a way its like black folk are always trying to be hypervisible, to counteract that Invisible Man feeling.”
^^^
WTF
Badu and I must be getting too old for this new brand of “hiphop” music that is really just pop music. One thing I can say about Cudi is that he is original, but so was Soulja Boy.
I don’t know any thugged out agginz under 21 that listen to this guy. I aslo have a hard time convincing anybody 30+ to give Kid Cudi a chance. It’s too far removed from the nostalgic grimy boom-bap sound or familiar g-funk influence. Stoners fool with him. I believe most of MY white friends love Cudi. His lyrics are easy to understand, his image is urban but nonthreatening, and the music is alternative paint on a hiphop canvas.
For an artist that really isn’t a talented vocalist, rapper, lyricist, but can catch a melody and hum through a song; I believe 3.5 cigz is very generous!
Regardless, he does have a couple of jawns – 2.5 IMO
When did this come out?
LOL @ dudes getting salty over a rating. If you think the music is dope isn’t that what should matter?
That said Cigs > Rolling Stone magazine itself…
Free turkeys from now until New Year’s. Everything’s getting a fuckin 4 or better!
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If Loopy drop an Album and you give’em less than 4 cigs,you need to go into hiding Gotty lol
The last three songs close the album out strong.
I listened to this album an i proly gave it 4 cigs i dnt agree with the 3.5 but i can accept it Mr. Rager, Maniac, The End, Mojo So Dope, Dont Play This Song were probaly my favorites i think the album had great production to match Cudi’s vibe, But we are going to have to come up with a genre of music for Cudder its like Hip Hop/Neo Soul/Rock idk what to call it
I heard this album a few weeks(a friend of a friend of a former friend lol) ago and this is the first time I agree with a TSS rating…on another note,I already put a wager with my local bookie on what I KNOW Gotty or somebody from the crew gonna give Kanye.
HHS – haha, what rating will Kanye achieve?
GZ up, Cakes down.
I JUST CHEDDAR BOB ‘ED MYSELF AFTER LISTENING TO THIS CRAP IM GLAD I AINT PAY FOR IT FOR REAL
I forgot that half the people on this site think that all music posted on here should fall into a certain “hip-hip/rap archetype.”
“But we are going to have to come up with a genre of music for Cudder its like Hip Hop/Neo Soul/Rock idk what to call it”
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If Hip Hop was smart (and a person) they would claim Cudi. He’s the single most original act to come out in a minute.
Why y’all always complain about ratings like we make the album? Check out The Source from back in the day and a glut of the albums got 3′s, 3.5′s & 4′s. It’s just as hard to make a 4.5 or 5 as it is to make 2.5 or lower.
Gave this another shot based on not wanting to come off uninformed and butthurt- the Mary J track is great, too. Really, if you like Cudi, you’ll love this- it’s actually better than his first album which aside from the three highlights (my last tl;dr post forgot to mention that “Soundtrack 2 My Life” is awesome too). I found unlistenable, nothing except for “Erase Me” on here is as lame as that- but if you don’t it won’t change your mind. Which I guess is the point. Tell them haters to suck your N-U-Ts and all that.
I dunno. I don’t really care about ratings- it’s all relative- but it irks me that this guy is an ‘artist’ and Rawse is a fraud when both are just two dudes who can’t rhyme but have nice production. And by that token, the last two Rawse albums smoke the last two Cudi albums. Nothing on here is half as great as “Maybach Music III”.
I guess it’s just frustration because Cudi DOES put out a few songs I REALLY like but never manages to get it together for a while album. And his whole persona is just grating. But for me and so many others to put this many words on the internet about it, he’s gotta be doing something right.
You’re all welcome for the Danny Brown.
WTH??? Peoples eye brow ^ on this rating. This ablum is definitey 4 cigs….C’mon Son!!! The problem with this rating is that somebody is tryna compare Man On The Moon part I to Man On The Moon Part II. You half to rate this album as its indiviual own because it takes out the artistic vision of this album. The Man on the Moon part I is way more Lighter album and is aimed for more commerical appeal success then The Man moon Moon part II which is a Darker album and less commerical appeal with the same sucess. We all know Kid Cudi is not a SUPER LYRICIST but he knows how to make a song and ride the track…from track 1 to 17 its very soild. I mean what do you want??? Another “Day N Nite” or “Sky Might Fall”??? Its not gonna happen!!! I REPEAT ITS NOT GONNA HAPPEW!!!
WTH??? Peoples eye brow ^ on this rating. This album is definitely 4 cigs….C’mon Son!!! The problem with this rating is that somebody is tryna compare Man On The Moon part I to Man On The Moon Part II. You half to rate this album as its individual own because it takes out the artistic vision of this album. The Man on the Moon part I is way more Lighter album and is aimed for more commercial appeal success then The Man moon Moon part II which is a Darker album and less commercial appeal with the same success. We all know Kid Cudi is not a SUPER LYRICIST but he knows how to make a song and ride the track…from track 1 to 17 its very solid. I mean what do you want??? Another “Day N Nite” or “Sky Might Fall”??? Its not gonna happen!!! I REPEAT ITS NOT GONNA HAPPEW!!!
WTH??? Peoples eye brow ^ on this rating. This ablum is definitey 4 cigs….C’mon Son!!! The problem with this rating is that somebody is tryna compare Man On The Moon part I to Man On The Moon Part II. You half to rate this album as its indiviual own because it takes out the artistic vision of this album. The Man on the Moon part I is way more Lighter album and is aimed for more commerical appeal success then The Man moon Moon part II which is a Darker album and less commerical appeal with the same sucess. We all know Kid Cudi is not a SUPER LYRICIST but he knows how to make a song and ride the track…from track 1 to 17 its very soild. I mean what do you want??? Another “Day N Nite” or “Sky Might Fall”??? Its not gonna happen!!! I REPEAT ITS NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!!
Sorry for the 3 sends but my phone is acting up.
Don’t really understand the complaining & bitching about the cigs given on this album. Before i explain i have to say this is the first time i actually listened to a full length Cudi album/mixtape from front to back. I couldn’t get into his last album because i wasn’t used to the loneliness, stoner themes he was emphasizing.
Fast-forward to present time and it’s a different story. So far i’ve listened to Motm:II two times in a row (first day i bought it & this morning) and it’s not bad if you’re a Cudi fan. It’s just that it could have done without maybe 2 or 3 tracks. Granted im not a weed-smoker or rarely am i deeply depressed, i dont think im gonna keep it in my rotation of albums i constantly listen to but it’s pretty good.
3.5 cigs indeed
Damn!
I think Dizzy out-reviewed you, TSS. Classical.
GHOST!>>>>>>
The End>>>>>>
Haven’t listened to the rest, stuck on those two, buying Saturn Day, off the strength of the above.
“Baroque pop”
nice
Expected the 3.5 cigs, was not disappointed.
In my opinion I liked Cudi’s first album more than this one I liked 80% of that album this album I like only a couple of songs like 40% of them it seemed like he’s focused alot more into the creativity of the instrumentals I liked Mr. Rager most thats the flow and vibe I like from cudi.
I was pretty let down during the first listen, but it slowly has grown on me. Ashin’ Kusher is my shit. Its not quite as good as his first album if you ask me, but thats one guy’s opinion.