Selective memory would lead most to believe both of the Bulls’ three-peats in the 1990′s were obstacle-free. By the way they dealt with opponents with no blotches on their playoff resume, history will continue to support that. Still, think back to June 1994. Chicago had just completed their first full season sans-MJ and coming off a 4-3 season ending series in the conference semis to the New York Knicks. This is where the immediate and distant future of the NBA would teter in the balance.
Given his recent well earned enshrinement into the Hall of Fame, the fact that Scottie Pippen constantly battled trade rumors throughout his career is often swept under the rug. The most infamous involved “The Reignman” himself – Shawn Kemp. Before you begin to dismiss the deal, remember Kemp averaged 18 points, 11 rebounds, three assists and two steals during the 1993-94 season. For whatever reasons though, the deal did not go through and when asked about the proposed trade in January 1996, Mike and Phil kept it simple and ominous.
“It’s a scary thought, isn’t it?” Bulls coach Phil Jackson said.
“I probably wouldn’t be here,” Michael Jordan said immediately. [Sun Times]
Let’s face it, Jordan not returning in March 1995 changes everything. For one, Chicago doesn’t three peat with Shawn Kemp as their go-to-guy and 72 wins is likely considered an ignorant prediction as opposed to rarefied air. And just for the “you-had-to-be-there-to-appreciate-it” moments, the “flu game” nor does that last shot over Russell take place. A generation’s worth of memories gone if Pippen had been traded back to the team he was originally drafted to in 1987. So if the Bulls didn’t win from ’96-’98, who would? Would Shaq and Penny have stayed together in Orlando? How much does MJ’s legacy change if he ends his career with three rings instead of six? Tons of hypotetical, yet meaningless questions to ponder next time you’re in a bar or at a cookout.
Bonus – Another popular Pippen trade scenario involved himself, Luc Longley, the Boston Celtics and the third and sixth picks in the 1997 Draft. The story goes the only reason the trade didn’t go down was because Jordan was opposed to playing with rookies. It’s hard to blame the Bulls for looking towards the future especially if they could have taken Chauncey Billups and a young high school talent in Tracy McGrady that year. What’s even crazier is that Pippen would be hobbled by injuries and miss 38 games during the 1997-98 season.


Big one:
What if Detroit had selected Carmello #2 instead of Darko. Coming off a championship, I think Joe D was a bit too hyped on himself. The D could still be contenders if they’d brought Melo(fresh off a national championship) off the bench to spell either Hamilton or Prince then trading either the next summer and either restocking in the draft or finding a replacement for an aging Ben Wallace. They opted to pass the eventually deteriorate to the point where they turned to a decrepit CWEBB and AI to try to save them.
^ NOBODY will ever be able to explain the exec moves of Joe and Zeke.
What if Detroit had selected Carmello #2 instead of Darko.
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Damn Detroit. Chauncey-Rip-Melo would have been a mean 1,2 and 3 combo. Especially back in like 03-04.
Great read
Whats funny is Joe gets a pass and Isiah gets killed, but Joe might be just as bad: refusing to move rip or prince, trading chauncey, resigning Ben after his career is past over, allowing ben gordon to walk, letting rasheed walk. Has to be a carryover from his on court respect.
Please dont flame me for asking this question because im a youngin’ & i never really saw these guys play but i know a couple things about their games by watching old games on espn classic & watchin’ youtube clips:
Why is it considered a good idea that the Pippen/Kemp trade didnt happen given the fact that Shawn was still explosive & still a beast back then?
I know Pippen had a nice overall game (could defend practically every position, had a nice rebound game could shoot the 3 ball, midrange jumper) but why not make a play for shawn kemp? I just wanna know.
Portland hands down Sam Bowie over MJ! Best failure of all time! Follow that up with Oden over Durant! Dynasty of bad decisions!
Why is it considered a good idea that the Pippen/Kemp trade didnt happen given the fact that Shawn was still explosive & still a beast back then?
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It’s not that it was a bad idea. I even said in the piece that Kemp averaged 18,11,3 and 2 that season. So putting yourself back during that day, it wouldn’t have been a bad trade at all because Shawn Kemp was a beast during his prime.
I’m just saying – with hindsight – if the trade would have gone down then Jordan may have never came back for that second three peat. And just imagine how differently things would be now.
Oden over Durant wasn’t a bad pick because no one knew Oden needed microfracture surgery. Oden dominated with one hand and was a defensive monster. If he’d stayed healthy, who knows what he’d been now.
What if Ron Harper hadn’t blew out his knee and Cleveland had Price, Harper, Nance, Hot Rod Williams and Daugherty
Grant hadn’t did his ankle in the playoffs and went to Orlando healthy with TMac
Spreewell hadn’t flaked out and returned to Minnesota with KG and Sam I am
Drazen Petrovic hadn’t died
Len Bias, Larry Bird, Frankenstein, The Chief, DJ and Ainge
Andrew Toney had good feet
I never thought Oden was anything except tall. Durant, i told everybody that the lanky motherfucker would be good. Did I expect him to be this good? hell no. But he was dominant and more versatile in college.
What I liked about the Oden pick was the fit. He was that missing piece in Portland and as a Buckeyes fan I watched nearly every game and he dominated with his left hand, even shot 70% from the line. Having that kind of ambidexterity that close to the basket was why I thought he was the best choice at #1.
I, too, thought the Oden pick was a good fit. It’s hard to pass up on a seven footer. SMH.
At least I made up for it the next year saying, Rose would be the better pro than Beasley.
@ J. Tinsley
ohhh ok, gotcha. Great article btw.
& what is your all-time missed opportunity?
I gotta go with picking up Darko M in the 2003 Draft.
& also i gotta go with, what if my stupid ass Knicks organization didn’t make that eddy curry trade… *mutters unintelligible words*
The Bulls organization has been involved of these types of trades/non-trades. The thing with the Kobe trade was Deng. Kobe wanted to play with Deng, but LA wanted Deng, for what…I don’t know.
The Bulls had an opportunity to get Gasol….but guess who they didn’t want to give up….Deng, why not…not sure.
The Bulls had a crack at KG, but they didn’t want to give up Deng and some of the other young Bulls…when they were calling them the Baby Bulls.
No links to back these memories up…too lazy to hit Google up. haha
Oh and Cleveland passing on Amare last year.
The Bulls organization has been involved of these types of trades/non-trades. The thing with the Kobe trade was Deng. Kobe wanted to play with Deng, but LA wanted Deng, for what…I don’t know.
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The Bulls had an opportunity to get Gasol….but guess who they didn’t want to give up….Deng, why not…not sure.
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The Bulls had a crack at KG, but they didn’t want to give up Deng and some of the other young Bulls…when they were calling them the Baby Bulls.
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Don’t worry i got you. lol
Deng? Is he still around?
I don’t think Oden was a good fit here. I mean from the start we brought in a consultant for that draft and even Jeff Ma said Oden wasn’t a smart pick. We still got him anyways.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Blazers-consultant-wouldn-t-have-drafted-Greg-Od?urn=nba-268861
What if Magic never gets HIV? The Lakers went to the Finals that year before…does Chicago three-peat? How does that alter that franchise’s personnel decisions moving forward? Do they grab Kobe/Shaq later?
Yup, all those trades with the Bulls were possibilities.
Loul Deng must have a great personality because the Bulls refuse to trade that guy. Gasol for Deng? In a heartbeat.
Knowing what we know now, taking Darko over everybody after him can’t be defended, but at the time, totally different situation.
Remember, the Pistons traded for Rasheed halfway through that season, so they knew they needed a big. Tayshaun looked like he was headed towards being an all-star so they didn’t take Carmelo. Plus, the coach was Larry Brown who is notorious for not playing rookies. In fact, to see what would have happened if Carmelo had been on the Pistons, one needs no further than to look at the 2004 Olympic team which was coached by Larry Brown. That’s the same team that won the bronze medal. And this was written about him:
“Few were happier to see the end of the Olympics than Carmelo Anthony.
The Denver Nuggets star said being demoted to the bench for the bronze medal-winning U.S. basketball team left him feeling alone, and he spent many nights in Athens in his room, depressed and eager to get home.”
Personally, I think getting Bosh may have been better for the Pistons, but to kill the organization for not getting Carmelo or Wade is oversimplifying things. Even Bosh probably wouldn’t have worked out even though they needed a big man because he doesn’t play defense well, which would get him in Larry Brown’s doghouse in a second. If there’s anything Darko can actually do well, it’s defense.
Pistons should get a pass on this one, I feel.
What if the Lakers never got rid of Mbenga…? LOL
What if the Hawks would have drafted Chris Paul instead of Marvin Williams?????
Chris Paul + Joe Johnson + Josh Smith (we already had the last two) = championship
We still don’t have a Point Guard.
and speaking of Detroit acquiring Rasheed Wallace….They got him from the Hawks for Bobby Sura and some more unknowns….yeah how trash is that
Hey Tinsley…The Hawks traded Pau Gasol for peanuts so they may be a little smarter than we are.
Deng is a pretty good player, IDK why people are quick to try and trade him. He had some injuries but he’s still young…no older than 25, very efficient and a couple baskets away from being an All Star. He’s one of my most likely breakout players this season.
If Len Bias didn’t OD, he takes pressure off Bird as a scorer, allowing him to stay in the NBA longer. Bias is still around when Reggie Lewis breaks through too.
Equals Celtics getting to at least 20 titles.
GREAT post Tins. I hate when I miss these.
I often think about if the Hawks would have really picked up CP3. Man, i hate doing that cause it just always gets me pissy.
That’s crazy how in the past 20 years they’ve combined for 26 all star appearances … they’re even better than time.
any post applauding the dopeness of Pippen is all good in my book. yep.
Oden was terrible in college! Just a big ass dood who could ONLY dunk. I saw that bust coming from MILES away. I too didn’t see Durant as good as he is now but I saw him as nice scorer.
How about the Wolves with the worst record in the Shaq/Zo draft and ending up with Christain Laettner! We had Chauncey early. Had Roy for about 10 minutes. Ahh, shit, the list goes on and on about MN sports
All I’m saying is, if Jordan doesn’t comeback, and Shaq resigns with Orlando in 1996, how does that change everything? He and Penny were amazing together and who knows what could have happened had Penny never messed his knee up. Does that also mean Kobe is by himself in LA for his entire career? Or maybe that means LA never trades Divac for Bryant in the first place.
We’ll never really know though lol. And that’s the fun part.
Great post but Bowie over Jordan is definitely the biggest what if!
C’mon complexone, terrible?
Greg Oden Stat Summary:
Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG
2006-07 32 28.9 15.7 61.6 0.0 62.8 0.7 9.6
BPG SPG
3.3 0.6
15,10 and 3 blocks 60% from the floor with ONE HAND and a title game appearance?!? Terrible??!!!?
NCAA title game. I think he ended up with 25 points and 12 boards. His team shot horribly from beyond the arc, especially in the second half. I was waiting for this so called beast to look at Conley and those other fools and say “Gimme the ball inside, they can’t stop me” Never happened. Greg Oden was never dominant. Keven Durant on the other hand had the look of potentially becoming one of the greatest players to ever play the game. Portland lost big time. They effed up picking Bowie and any way you cut it, they messed up picking Oden even if he somehow gives them a double-double for the next ten years. Durant/Brandon Roy (before his knees finally give out)/Aldridge. These guys would have stretched the floor and killed teams.
As for Shawn Kemp. What can I say. Yo, he was already on his way to becoming Antonio Cromatie plus Travis Henry before those two had any idea that their equipment was for more than pissing. Plus, this guy turned out to have a raging cocaine problem. Talk about a disaster trade.
What if the Hawks would’ve drafted…..yeah, tired of telling that story.
It seems that people are forgetting that the Blazers had Clyde Drexler back in the day, who plays SG, as does MJ. Clyde was THE STAR of Portland.
Deng was also supposed to be a star, along with Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler in Chicago.
Darko……..no explanation for that one. All I gotta say is Bosh, Kaman, David West, and Kendrick Perkins were taken later in that same draft.
Durant over Oden….Well they already had Rookie of the Year B.Roy on the wing, and you see how many shots and points Durant demands now. Plus they would’ve been one center down last year when everyone kept getting injured. Plus I couldn’t bear to watch Joel Pryzbilla start one more game.
@brouhaha Being physically dominate and an alpha male are 2 different things.
I think that melo detroit thing was politics…how many elite teams get a 2nd pick in a draft? Melo goin to detroit was bad for business for the nba I think the league made detroit take darko and let melo be the man on his own team
C’mon Chuck! His range is about 2 feet. If he can’t dunk it he can’t make shit! If i was 7’2 and 35 playing against skinny ass college centers I could dunk 5-6 times a game and hit a couple FT’s. How’s his NBA stats? See you didn’t post them. Dood is wack as hell. Portland fugged up. I dont wanna hear that shit about they already had Roy. You take the BEST player. I’d rather have Olowakandi for real
lol how can dude say his range is 2 feet looooooooooooool. Oden does suck though can even front