No introduction needed for this one, as adoring fans and awaiting haters have anticipated the release of Thank Me Later since the DeGrassi graduate took music by storm a year ago. With the success of “Over” and a new leak with a new Hip-Hop A-lister every week for months, the foundation’s been laid for Drake to seize Hip-Hop’s spotlight.
And seize it he does. Thank Me Later is pure platinum pop, 15 tracks of masterful songcraft with only a few hiccups. Rarely does a transition lag and or a sample sound out of place. Drake excels as a versatile performer capable of creating soothing melodies such as those on the sublime “Karaoke,” while remaining street enough to trade rhymes with rough around the edges Young Money cohorts. The album’s greatest strength is its balance—Drake never drifts too far into one style, ensuring the album maintains its universal appeal throughout.
Equally as impressive are his hooks—his Auto-Tuned wailing on “Miss Me,” or “The Resistance” upgrade good tracks to great and stay in your head long after you’ve plucked out your headphones. This same quality makes him a master collaborator, allowing his superiorly talented lyrical peers to upstage him on verses without relinquishing ownership of the track. In this environment, his guests turn in virtuoso performances. Young Jeezy provides a welcome dose of thug motivation on the night-riding anthem “Unforgettable.” Weezy makes an appearance in between court dates to bless “Miss Me” with an appropriately alien flow. And Hov stops by to prove he still holds the crown with his ridiculous “triple entendre” spot on “Light Up.”
Drake also benefits from near-perfect production—no doubt many rappers shivered with envy when they hear the consistent dopeness of these beats. Timbaland returns the favor for “Say Something” with a furious array of synths that punctuate Drake’s cocky-n-confident finale on “Thank Me Now.” Kanye West doesn’t hold back with the infectious dancehall symphony “Find Your Love” as well. Another standout is the Cupid Valentino-influenced “Shut it Down.” The seven minute serenade, complete with multiple movements and soaring harmonies between The-Dream and Drake is one of the best R&B tracks of the past few years. Break out the satin sheets.
But production can only carry you so far. The flaws of Thank Me Later lie in the shallowness of Drake’s lyrics and the project altogether. Thus, the thematic core of the first few tracks’ claustrophobic introspection quickly fragments into safe, formulaic singles bait. One minute he’s disparaging the trappings of fame on “The Resistance,” while the next he’s bragging about living the party life on the ridiculous Kanye-produced jam “Show Me a Good Time”, where what can best be described as a hyena’s yelp transitions into a beautiful collage of keys and drums. But his shapeshifting nature as a performer allows him to pull off both moods rather seamlessly.
Of course, these weak spots won’t stop Thank Me Later from becoming the first mega hit of this ripe, young decade. Under the shine of the spotlight, with plenty of pressure to deliver on the promise of So Far Gone, Drake has met and perhaps exceeded lofty expectations. Gratitude is in order.



4.5!?
Ok, I don’t dislike the album as much as I did before, but that extra .5 is gonna cause some drama, especially after Distant Relatives and Reflection Eternal.
*Grabs Popcorn*
I stand firmly beside a 4.5.
And I say if you don’t like it, fill your backpack w/your cassette tapes and leave Hip-Hop. It’s obviously not for you anymore and ’88 is back thataway. Either that or party, get some pussy and live life w/this as part of your soundtrack.
Edit — Adding something to the discussion, positive or negative? That’s cool as hell because that’s what it’s about. Name-calling, flagrant cursing? Your comment gets trashed. Take that mess to those other sites.
What the…?
Bring on the gravy!
You see all those letter’s bunched up to make those words?
Y’all should read ‘em. Kinda explains some stuff. Like the picture @ the end.
#Justsayin’ lol
Edit — Adding something to the discussion, positive or negative? That’s cool as hell because that’s what it’s about. Name-calling, flagrant cursing? Your comment gets trashed. Take that mess to those other sites.
I’m with Athrin my brotha!
*slides popcorn this way*
I forgot to add, Lloyd or Trey Songz would’ve ate Shut it Down. ANYONE is better than The Dream.
This album has been on repeat for two weeks now. When he’s on, he is ON!!! The singing was just “meh”, but the rapping is top notch!!! I can dig 4.5 cigs….TSS don’t lie!
Athrin, I like that suggestion. Trey would’ve been great in place of The-Dream
I think what most people are losing sight of is that Drake was not set to be a rap messiah. In my humble opinion, if you’re looking for someone to “bring real Hip-Hop” back to the forefront, focus your attention on Jay Electronica. Support both Freddie Gibbs & J.Cole when they drop. Those guys are the ones vying for the future crown and ones who fashion themselves as lyricists in the traditional sense. Drake makes songs. Good, enjoyable songs.
I gotta agree with Gotty on this one. Most of the hate Drake gets is unwarranted. This album has replay value, and the songs are well written and sequenced perfectly. Not to mention the top notch production. Simply put, it’s a great album.
The_Dream is turrible!! Why would I listen to an R.Kelly impersonator when I can buy an R.Kelly album? It aint like Kels is dead!!
Pandora’s box is open.
I agree with the review. It’s 2010.
Oh boy. I can see people taking their TSS subscriptions and e-burning them after reading this.
*dips hand in popcorn*
But, I can’t help but kinda agree with Patrick’s review. I would have levied for 4 cigs which I think equates to an 80 on most scales, right? The-Dream’s albums are built on two things, his quirky songwriting that baits all of us because it’s so simple it’s beautiful and it’s transitions from song to song.
Drake’s album will be loved & hated and won’t get the universal acclaim some debuts of the past got. Arguably because it’s probably the best pop-rap record we’ve been given quite possibly ever (I would have counted 808s as the birthplace of all this but then I’d be beating a dead horse).
Drake won in making a cohesive album with his own sound attached to it. There are plenty of singles here and nearly every song on the album will find its way into your head for months at a time. I know “Up All Night” surely did.
A’yo check out the Channel 7 (7 Aurelius) remix too.
At least someone understood that Drake was looking for some kind of balance in his music…
Seriously how much are they paying you guys to street team? This is worse than Benzino giving Made Men 4.5 mics. The album is gayer than the priesthood.
“show me a good time” is one of my favorites on the album…
Khal – “Show Me A Good Time” deserves a single.
Mr. Rack’em Up —
The result is his sort of faux-emotion that changes song to song: how much he misses his girlfriend, how much he fucks girls who are YOUR girlfriend, how many girls are out for his money.
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I think, for his age, it’s all appropriate.
Plus I don’t know what some people were expecting. This album is essentially what he’s been giving us since “So Far Gone”. The kid stayed in his lane and hit a homerun.
Eh wait? I’m sure the album is good, but to say it’s natural progression evil-lotion for the Hoo Thousand and Heaven, well LL Cool J was doing this and still doing this sort of stuff eons ago.
But kudos to Drake, I hope you get your chedder, he’s like Aaron Lennon minus the ball skills, but he is good with the auto tune.
Aubrey Graham is an actor by profession… and it shows in his music career. Most everything he does comes off to me as manufactured and calculated, he performs the part of a famous rapper/singer, the things he thinks a famous Black celebrity would say and do, he says and does. Not every rapper has to be from the hood or rap about it, but Drake’s background as a rich teen star and relatively unoriginal “introspective dude” front dont appeal to me as much as others. Some of his tracks like I’m Goin’ In and Mambo I love, but His verse on I’m Goin In was written by Nickelus F and that Sambo is a Canadian reggaeton track. What? Drake should stay truer to himself, I feel like he’s trying to push the persona he does because he doesn’t know if the world wants to hear hip-hop about being up rich, Canadian, Jewish, and famous.
The result is his sort of faux-emotion that changes song to song: how much he misses his girlfriend, how much he fucks girls who are YOUR girlfriend, how many girls are out for his money. Drake has a lot of talent, but until he drops his whole act and becomes more genuine I put his music in the same lane as Waka Flocka and Plies: outlandish tales about the image he wants to push for his sales. Just because he doesn’t cultivate a goon image doesn’t give his music any more substance.
Gotty, am i retarded for being up in arms that you didnt mention Joell in that “bringing real hip hop back” comment?
Cause i kinda am, lol.
And i dont F with Drake, for the record. 4.5 seems high for such a new jack though.
Chris — Nah, Joell…he just don’t have “it” to be a star or at least he hasn’t shown it. Not to say I don’t still enjoy his music a whole lot. But that’s a diff argument. We’re talking cats who can appeal to both old and new. The three i mentioned, they have “it.”
I could not agree more with Mr Rack Em Up, in regards to him not seeming genuine. Everything about him, does indeed come off as manufactured.
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Name one “real” rapper lol? I’ll wait.
Drake rapped about the shit he knew, which is what he’s always done. I appreciate that over another fuckin’ shoot’em up, bang bang album full of bs.
*looks in pockets, pulls out lint*
if we did a crew review on this, the post would’ve taken longer to read than that Wimbledon match. We’ve got jobs anyway, only thing we really want are kicks (at least I do).
it’s a good album & I think Drake set a good foundation with this. Y’all should check out that mtv special he’s got too. Dude puts in work.
This is hilarious, and it’s why I don’t read reviews before I listen to the music. But Drake’s the golden boy now, right? It’s a lot easier to get away with monotone singing and run-of-the-mill rapping when you’re the flavor of the moment I guess.
I can’t say the album is horrible, since I like about 5 songs. But this review is telling of the fact that a well-placed marketing machine can carry a mediocre talent very far.
I could not agree more with Mr Rack Em Up, in regards to him not seeming genuine. Everything about him, does indeed come off as manufactured.
In my humble opinion.
@bhatin
So are you gonna come with an honest critique of what the review said? If you don’t agree, that’s fine. This all for discussion. Otherwise, forget it lol.
Personally, I’m all for the 4.5. Looking squarely at the music and not the machine behind him, dude made a great album. Replay value through the roof too. At least IMO. He stayed in his lane and crafted something provided and easy and enjoyable listen.
Wait, he’s Canadian? Really?
Oh dear…
And I say if you don’t like it, fill your backpack w/your cassette tapes and leave Hip-Hop. It’s obviously not for you anymore and ‘88 is back thataway.
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I’m drivin the Greyhound if anyone’s interested. I might be drunk offa Nighttrain, but all aboard anyway. All passengers get a complimentary mint-flavored chewstick, a Mark the 45 King beat tape, and a pair of cazels.
@Black Canseco, a pair of cazels? As in Curt Cazel? Put me down for two JVC Force’s mang, Strong Island, Strong Island.
Gotty, come on man, level with us holmes, how much did you sponsors indulge you with in relation to this review?
I think what most people are losing sight of is that Drake was not set to be a rap messiah. In my humble opinion, if you’re looking for someone to “bring real Hip-Hop” back to the forefront, focus your attention on Jay Electronica. Support both Freddie Gibbs & J.Cole when they drop. Those guys are the ones vying for the future crown and ones who fashion themselves as lyricists in the traditional sense. Drake makes songs. Good, enjoyable songs.
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Word. People are relying too much on him to do so much. Can’t lie tho his music lacks originality. I do feel that these artists intent on saving hip-hop are in different forms and shapes. Not just a single goldenboy aka the avatar.
Freestyle with a blackberry. 4 1/2 bases. hmmm
I respect him, but this album compared to all hip hop albums shouldn’t be in 4.5. Lyrics are decent but the singing gets to me.
Even looking forward to his future after that MTV doc.
Yeah but this is what it’s about innit? Like you manufacture your Golden Boy then unleash the product, looks like Drake is getting his chedder. There is no one salvation for rap musak, pick your poison, and kill yourself with it, if you will.
All the positive comments in here are coming a level-headed, unbiased perspective. Bravo for that.
This album will be a mainstay for a while, just like the last album that got 4.5 from TSS: OB4CL2 (in case y’all short-term memory loss havin’-ass backpackers forgot)
Yessss!!!!
Would someone please introduce Paw to Bishop Lamont’s eyebrows?
I really wish I didn’t have somewhere to be…I’ll just have to be an overnight spectator on this smh….
Cell – I’m gonna have to leave it too, hence me dropping all my comments in early lol.
Who’s gonna win the topic with the most post award this week? Drizzy or Bishop Lamont’s Eyebrows? Wait! You know what would make this topic movie worthy? Yah.
In all seriousness tho. I believe I already expanded on this in another Drake topic, but we have to take him for what he is: A Rappa Turnt Sanga (Word to T-Pain). Just like I take Gucci for ignorance and awesome beats, I listen to Drake for the depressing, yet solemn aura a lot of his songs has. I would prefer Comeback Season Drake any day, but I can’t deny that he makes some good songs that I can ride to when it’s raining or it’s nighttime. Just wish Wayne brought the heat on Miss Me like Jay-Z did on Light Up.
I think of Drake alot like I do about Obama.
People complain about all he does and what he hasn’t done but then again he’s better than the last person to do it…. if you catch my drift.
@Turk182, Bishop’s eye brows salute my brows, because my eye brows destroy all known competition, including Brooke Shields, Jody Watley and 2PAC’s and Drizzy Drakes eye brows, my brows do a Mexican Wave, the funky worm and the Hakuna Matata, boom, how’s that for a slice of fried gold squire?
Drake has a lot of talent, but until he drops his whole act and becomes more genuine
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So…”Fireworks” isn’t “genuine?”
@Gotty, really though, I’ll check this out on Saturday in HMV, I know what you are saying, don’t expect it to break the mould, just accept it for what it is. A bit like The Dream’s first album, it was well put together, and it did exactly what it said on the tin, and I expect something similar with Drake. But as you can see the Jansport Commitee is out in force today, hungry for blood and all that sort of jazz.
To me, based on hype and beats alone, it would get him 3, plus the mega star features, another .5, and few solid hits round it to 4 cigs. but once you get past the witty one liners, the lack of meaningful lyrics and substance would stop me from saying it was anything higher than that.
To me, the album did exactly what he wanted it to do. Look forward to his next project. Hopefully it will have more depth.
I understand the singing is the main gripe with people, but unless I’m missing something, it’s the same amount of singing as SFG.
Looking at tracks where he singing a *majority* of the song, SFG had
Houstatlantavegas
A Night Off
Little Bit
Sooner or Later
Bria’s Interlude
Brand New
On TML it’s “Karaoke” – “Shut It Down” – “CeCe’s Interlude” – “Find Your Love.”
And “Karaoke” is basically set up the same way “Let’s Call It Off” is with half singing/half rapping. Just my thoughts though.
The album has heavy rotation stamped all over it. It goes in. It’s cohesive, and what we’ve come to expect from Drake. People seem so ready to forget ‘So Far Gone’ as if it wasn’t the blueprint for the kinds of sounds Drake wants to put on an album. What are we expecting from the kid? You look up and just like that 4.5 cigs. I’m listening; pretty often a this point. But most of all I’m relating to the lyrics more than other releases. One mans opinion.
oh cosign on these cats can going back to 88
I’m not into the whole brevity thing, so let me sit down and do some chattin’.
Drake’s hook formula is fantastic at this point. He doesn’t even have to try anymore. It’s the lack of diversity in the album and hooks that messes with me. Drake stays in this low-tempo, melo dramatic introspective, “Do I like being rich and famous?”
Even the review calls it ‘pure platinum pop’, it’s not even pretending to be straight up hip-hop. It’s like formula RnB with an extra measure of hip-hop mixed in for ‘flava’.
The most cynical aspect of the whole Drake marketing campaign came when the track with Phonte and Von Pea was released. I’ve never seen a more blatant attempt at ticking the ‘underground credibility’ box.
He’s a pop rapper, a non-threatening, pretty boy with a bit of talent to be sold to 14 year old girls. The idea that hip-hop’s not for you if you don’t like this is hilarious. For the record I don’t think he’s awful by any means, but let’s not get rolled over by the Drake hype juggernaut. It’s like saying Sisqo was THE GREATEST MUSICIAN WHO EVER LIVED and if you disagree you might as well go and become a hermit, because all the kids think he’s the best and their opinion is the only one that matters….
“The Resistance” isn’t genuine? I don’t think authenticity is Drake’s problem, dude is only 23. You don’t have too much to talk about at that age.
First off I would like to say that I like the album as a whole and its craftwork. It is undeniably a complete body of work in which each song reflects the mood that was intended on being portrayed.
As far as the review goes I wouldn’t stray too far from a 4.5 rating either. Mine woulda been more like a 4-4.25 but I’ll let it ride. Lets keep in mind folks that this is this gentleman’s DEBUT album as well. When is the last time you’ve heard a debut album this complete and true to its intent beginning to end? Very rarely if ever. This man IS very precise and calculated, ur right, but whoever told u thats a bad thing? If everyone was like that the world would be a much more structured and better place.
Overall I think theres only a few things that kept this album from being a 5. One major observation would be that no matter anyone says this album has yet and probably will not produce an undeniable smash like “Best I Ever Had” was. And unfortunately statistically and realistically, thats what gets album sales, eyes opened and heads turned. Fortunately for him he’s had his share that weren’t on his album that kept him in the spotlight in order to do as well as he did. My last observation is one of the very few people who was down with him before he was with Young Money failed to make an album feature and that is Trey Songz, whom Im told was allegedly the original person to feature on a song such as “Shut it Down”.
Good review tho to Patrick M. and what up to the homie J. Tins!!!
Did the writer rate this album or his 14yr old daughter?
I would’ve given it a 4, but I can understand a 4.5. I wonder if this or the Relapse review will be more controversial?
Well, at least the World Cup is proving to be less predictable than these album ratings.
Wow, “pop rapper” is a pretty accurate description. And also, in terms of complete albums, Kid Cudi as well as B.o.B. put together complete albums that expanded on their sound, where as Drake’s debut feels like (in my opinion), So Far Gone after a deluxe wash. Extra turtle wax has it shining real nice, coconut air freshener, but it’s the same ride.
I’m not into the whole brevity thing, so let me sit down and do some chattin’.
Drake’s hook formula is fantastic at this point. He doesn’t even have to try anymore and it carries past the huge holes in the album. It’s the lack of diversity in the album and hooks that messes with me. Drake stays in this low-tempo, melo dramatic, introspective, “Do I like being rich and famous?” “Do I like all these hot ass women around me or should I whine about it?” attitude. And it gets tired quickly.
“The Resistance” is a stand out track to me because it’s just the best version of the same song. Essentially, I’m feeling like each track is a variation of one song. “Find Your Love” and “Over” being the catchy poppy exceptions.
Lastly, One of the holes I spoke of above is his inability to excite lyrically. I understand that he wasn’t sent from hip-hop heaven to save us with his lyrical prowess, but if you’re going to market yourself and come into the game as a rapper, so much so that stans are saying he is better than Wayne, you better rap your ass off and give it the same effort as you give your hook melodies (essentially the same melody toyed with and spewed out in the same formula track after track).
Overall, way too monotonous and can get ridiculous when listening all the way through, to hear the same recycled topic on almost every occasion.
I respectfully disagree with a 4.5. Only because the only rating higher than this album would be the classics and this is just too far from classic to me.
I would give this album 3.5 instead of 4.5 because I feel that it is too inconsistent and I do not like the sequencing of the album. When I hear some songs there are flashes of greatness, but it seems he’s not ready to put it on the line. Listening to his earlier work before his explosion there were hints of sincerity and a sensitivity that is no longer prevelant in his work.
In the future once he has experienced real heartbreak and not the faux heartbreak that he sings/raps about then we will receive a truly great album.
I have to say that this album (production wise) was better than i thought it would be. Swizz Beatz stepped up and Timbaland (whoa where was that on BP3). As far as the rating, i won’t argue with it because i am not a fan of this dude like that. Personally i can’t stand his voice & delivery, but unlike most albums these days I’m not mad at anyone for likeing this record. P.S. to the top post “Revolutions Per Second” was BUTT and “Distant Relatives” was BORING!!! Please use better references to compare albums in the future.
Good review, can’t say I agree with the rating but its still a good album. I like it, but I find fault with some of it. Honestly I would have understood a 4 cigs but again I can see where your arguments come from. On my site I gave it a 3.5 and I think I fairly explained why.
I just hate that when someone dislikes something about Drake or his music, they automatically labeled a hater or “backpacker”. Thats similar to that Jay-Z, Nas, 50 Cent, Dipset, and Wayne “Stan”age. Can’t someone just genuinely not like something?
@Grandfather
I used those references because people were in an uproar about the albums’ score, at least with Distant Relatives. Yes, I am refreshing this page cuz I aint got anything better to do on a Wednesday Evening.
I expected more outrage but it seems like cats are willing to give credit where it’s due.
The kid did his thing with this album and when you put aside all preconceptions and forget about what genre you’re supposed to categorize it as, Thank Me Later is simply a really good album. It doesn’t really try to be much else and that’s why it succeeds.
Drakes a star and sleeps on his stomach so he dont fuck up his sheets. If you dont like this album, get ur eardrums checked out.
To give an album 4.5 rating to me means the album is close to perfect. Thank Me Later is a good album but there was a track or two that lagged a bit. I like Drake and do believe he will create an album before his career is over that will deserve 4.5 or 5. Thank Me Later isn’t the album; but it is an excellent beginning.
Production was excellent and consistent. But it’s hard for me to take a rapper seriously when there isn’t one single rewind worthy line throughout the whole album. I also have a problem with the number of guests on the album and I think he gets outshined quite a bit.
It’s a good album for what it is (Pop Rap), but to claim that those that don’t fuck with it are too far stuck in the past or on that backpacker tip or just hating (even though some are precisely one of or all three) is disingenuous.
I was rooting for the man, but I think he fell short of even 4 cigs. For fuck’s sake, the best song on the album is a duet with The-Dream. That’s a problem.
Y’all should have given this the same treatment that Distant Relatives got. I’d like to see if every TSS-er had uniform opinions on the album. I doubt it…
@ Gotty Check the Tapes in December on a post riddled with talk of Drake being overrated and his over-saturation of the market I made a couple of perhaps faithful but educated predictions about the young homey.
I said on a post
1. Drake will reach yeezy star status (TBD but on his way)
2. Drakes first week would be gold (464000 I’ll take that Gold)
3. He’s Debut at #1 check
4. Jay-Z would be on Album and Drake would hold his own (pause) on the track.
5. He’d Win a Grammy from this album TBD
6. He would get a minimum of 4 cigs for Thank me later.
Not a Stan but You can Thank me now
outta curiousity, if TSS was to rate SFG, would that have been a 5? imo, SFG was superior to TML, but thats just me. i think if something catches you off guard the way SFG did, it’s perceived as being better, and original, and somethign new. i think TML woulda been a straight up classic had it been his “debut”. to me TML was SFG part 2, and thats why i wouldnt call OBFCL2 a classic either. i’m the type of person who likes/needs fresh material, fresh content, fresh styles. i understand the argument of drake staying in his lane, but for me, what comes to mind when i think of the seminal body of work that changed the game, it would undoubtedly be SFG. to me, TML is more of the same, not even an expansion of it, but simply more of the same. i think if it resonated to me as pushing the boundaries of the SFG style i would have liked it more. dont get me wrong though, i still think its a good album, and i bought it first day to support the homie cuz i think he puts out good music, but as far as seminal works, SFG hands down, TML seems formulaic next it, imo.
I used those references because people were in an uproar about the albums’ score, at least with Distant Relatives. Yes, I am refreshing this page cuz I aint got anything better to do on a Wednesday Evening.
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People were in an uproar over the Distant Relatives review mainly because it was hardly a review… it was more like a massive orgy of aborted thought. And then the rating itself was not an accurate portrayal of the so-called review.
I think people would have responded differently had the reviewers said something good about the music, thus justifying the 3.5 rating the site gave it. Instead we were treated to a horrible piece with not one concise sentence of critique to boot.
4.5??
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Some of Hip-Hop’s classic albums have moments that don’t shine as bright as others (ie. Stillmatic, 2001, etc.). Doesn’t mean they aren’t still great albums.
And I do think Drake’s best project is ahead of him. Once he figures out how to balance out the R&B along with his lyrics, without sacrificing anything on either side, there will be no way to deny how talented this kid his.
There’s really no way to deny it now.
So…”Fireworks” isn’t “genuine?”
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I find nothing he does to be genuine, as I stated before, in my entire post which you snipped half a sentence out of, I find the things he doesn’t to be postured and pretentious because he himself is afraid to go out on a limb and put his real emotions on his tracks.
In a lot of his songs he acts like he wasn’t famous before he started rapping, and for such an “honest” and raw” rapper (i’ve heard him described like this.” he seems to REALLY want to distance himself from anything he did doing with Degrassi. Which is kind of understandable from an image standpoint, but seeing as how that was his first experience with all this fame he’s sick of, it seems like he’d have something to say about it. That among other things just makes him seem so much more transparent and fake to me.
@Deen No Rewind worthy lines
how about from Thank me now
“I could relate to kids going straight to the league
when they recognise that you got what it takes to succeed
and thats around the time that your idols become your rivals
you make friends with Mike but gotta AI him for your survival”
“I could relate to kids going straight to the league
when they recognise that you got what it takes to succeed
and thats around the time that your idols become your rivals
you make friends with Mike but gotta AI him for your survival”
^^^^^
Clever? Sure. Rewind worthy? Hell no.
I hate to blow my own vuvuzela here, but I’m smart enough to have gotten that one on the first/only listen. No shots.
First off- even IF TSS got hooked up to bust a nut over the record… who cares. Millions of dollars get pumped into radio, magazines, shows, music videos and BLOGS and just about any other thing involving music. The only artists (or labels) that aren’t shelling out massive money for promo are the ones even you cassette-tapers haven’t heard of. So let’s be real here… if anyone DESERVES to get broken off it’s TSS.
Secondly- the album is okay… I was expecting a lot more, but after some of the flatline stuff Drake put out before the album dropped I knew it wasn’t gonna be amazing.
People are right though, he’s no savior at this point and expecting him to be is just kinda dumb.
P.S. new Wafeek coming soon… back again ;)
First off- even IF TSS got hooked up to bust a nut over the record… who cares.
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Anybody who even thinks that should check our collective bank accounts lol.
LOL @ Phil. I’ll be checking those predictions.
“I could relate to kids going straight to the league
when they recognise that you got what it takes to succeed
and thats around the time that your idols become your rivals
you make friends with Mike but gotta AI him for your survival”
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That line is clever and, each time i hear it, i still smile like the first time i heard it.
damn can’t believe this beat out bobby ray, as far as pop rap albums go. Seems like dude can match whatever drake brings,without the excessive auto tune and posturing. Guess wiser men have spoken.
Having listened to the album for the past month (!) now, I’ve gotta be honest:
4.5 Cigs is about right. (I would’ve started at 4… even 4.25, but it’s sequenced PERFECTLY, so 4.5 Cigs it is)
As much as I liked SFG (surprise, motherfuckers!), I wanted TML to be that much better.
Instead, I got more of the same.
And for right now, that’s fine. But the next album better bring the heat. Otherwise, Drake will become a one trick pony.
OH, and College Dropout was (and still is) the better debut album. I so desperately want one of the new guys to upstage it.
Wonder what J. Cole is gonna get. Also are we judging the expectations for the artist or the album alone. This appears to be based on the expectations rather than the performance.
Wonder what J. Cole is gonna get. Also are we judging the expectations for the artist or the album alone. This appears to be based on the expectations rather than the performance.
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Nah, it’ll be judged on its own merits.
4.5 basically means the album is a said classic, which it isn’t. 4 means it’s a really good album with one or two holes in it, which I expected. But how I see it as, TML wasn’t necessarily a “Hip-Hop” album, I wouldn’t even call it a pop-rap album, Adventures of Bobby Ray was a pop-rap album. This was more of an R&B album with rapping over it on certain songs.
i like drake and enjoyed the album and i know hes not labeled as a “lyrical” rapper but is no-one else tired of all his corny punchlines?
Paw said it right, Drake is the new LL Cool J. Lmao. Think about it.
lol cute
I got it the 1st time also but I enjoyed it so I took the iPod back and listened again
but I’ll toot my own vuvuzela sure no prob, fews things get by me Tim Howard style
see I’m a little more than smart enough Not Shots
So to me Rewind worthy doesn’t mean I didn’t get it I got it the 1st time also but I enjoyed it so I took the iPod back and listened again
@ Darius Sinclair™
I think you’re selling LL a bit short. I don’t think Drake could ever make a “Mama Said Knock You Out” and succeed with it.
Call me Arsenal. We get mad shit past Tim Howard.
Rewind worthy lines make me say “damn” or “i can’t believe he said that” or “that was deep” or “I can’t even rap along to that line” or “that sounded difficult” or”how’d he do that”
That was 6 shots right there.
You get the gist. I’ll never feel the need to hear those lines again outside of whenever I hear that song again and I don’t like that song, so there.
NHJIC.
@noneofyourbusiness…
lol These days I don’t think any could make mama said knock you out and win with in.
It’s just a different era
Compared to Comeback Season and Room For Improvement,
******1.5******
i love how cats keep calling it an R&B album, when he’s only really singing on 4 songs, not including hooks on most of them. And how you count hooks as “mostly singing”, i don’t know, because if you know anything about bar structure, you see that with all the hooks included, you’re only doing 32 bars total, versus 48 bars of rap. Smh…
It wasn’t as great as everybody WANTED it to be, but to it’s credit I skip fewer songs on TML than SFG
don’t get caught up in the hype, either way.
on point review and rating…i avoided the leaks and hearing the album in its entirety was an experience that took me back to the good ol days of hip hop where albums had a theme and cohesiveness…great album.
oh, and i’ve always been someone who judges the food i’m eating by how it tastes right now.
I’m not going to get mad because my In-n-out fries don’t taste like golden arches fries. If i want my fries all soft and floppy, I just go to mcdonald’s to get fries, i don’t get mad at in-n-out for not making ronald fries.
Music is the same way. Comparison is not the same as critique.
If Stillmatic from Nas is a “5 mic” album then “Recovery” by Eminem is a 5 mic album. They are essentially the same type of album compared to reviving the careers of Nas and Eminem.
If Drake is 4.5 cigs then Recover is that or 5.
I won’t hate on Drake has he is the face of what hip hop become. The new age Prince music with rappers singing on records is not my thing. Doesn’t mean it trash, garbage, etc. It’s just what hip hop has morphed into. It’s an acquired taste especially for the over 30 crowd like me who grew up in the golden era.
I’ve got this album, recovery, and how I got over on rotation. It’s been a while since we’ve been able to have 3 albums of this quality released within 2-3 weeks of each other. Certainly out of those 3 albums there is something there for everyone.
aggin please
I have a stake in this (which will allow me the purchase of a Kobe steak – nah, I do not eat beef ;) so all I shall say is this…
Look how relevant Aubrey is.
Now… there are many who a post is made about that some would deem worthy of 50 comments easily (myself included), yet they get no more than 5. At the time that I am typing this, this post is up to 89 and counting.
Artists that create this type of interest/love/hate/buzz do not come easy these days. And he personally created none of it beyond the way an artist/act(or)/musician/rapper should – through the music itself.
No antics.
That said, carry on. If you are blaming him for the 4.5, blame yourself as well.
He would have 84 comments less if no one cared (or liked… or disliked).
You know I’m new around these parts. Just recently started blogging (TSS is my favorite blog site, y’all mofo’s deserve an award). Anyways, I was thinking about putting together an extensive review of the album and combine my “hiphop knowledge”(past and present) and try to analyze and critique each post made here. I started to ponder, would I support the album’s review?, do I agree?, are people expecting too much from Drake?
In the end, I realize all this hip-hop jargon done over this post(positive or negative about the review), is essentially pointless. The review is an opinion. Trying to convince someone to believe as you do is a complete waste of time. The album gets as many cigs as the listener thinks it deserves. This is not the “end all – be all, final judgement” counsel. It’s an album. It contains songs. Everyone has different taste, so why do you expect a concrete consensus. Everything is hip-hop, everything is music. Peace.
P.S.
How many rappers get the number of comments Drizzy does?
Em?
Who else? (I am seriously asking, as I would truly like to know)
That right there = [young] money.
(And interest)
Anybody watching the NBA Draft???
ps: I listened to a bootleg copy of this album in the whip with my brother one night. In all honesty, I must say that I enjoyed a select few songs and the songs that I didn’t like weren’t wack but rather did not elicit a reaction from me. I’m kind of pissed that ma’fuckaz are making stupid comments along the lines of “if you ain’t feeling that Drake stuff you’re stuck in the 90′s” or “This is the new sound and you’re not privy to it”….ninja please! It’s not that cats don’t feel this so-called “new sound”, it’s that they’re not feeling the person or the way in which they’re presenting it. 500K out my ninjaz…
@ Real Anonymous: Truer words have never been uttered. I bet you some top-level music people are reading these comments right now…
@RA
Jigga and Kanye. Maybe 50. That’s about it, besides Em. Weezy got lucky.
@500k
Oh… they are. Trust.
@Darius
To the TSS Search Engine I go! Thank you.
The singing was meh and the rapping (IMO) was above average. I was looking for more of the rapping Drake then the singing one. I’ve listened to the album fully only a few times. Find myself skipping a lot of tracks.
However, this album has multiple singles and will be the soundtrack for the rest of the summer. That’s the point of this album and he succeeded at that. I could care less about the rating (even if I agree/disagree with it) as long as the writer backed up the score with his words. Patrick M. did that.
How many rappers get the number of comments Drizzy does?
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Anything OutKast/Dungeon Family related, Common’s discography, MF Doom sightings and Bishop Lamont’s eyebrows.
@The Real Anonymous
Bishop Lamont’s eyebrows got 97
Oh, Drizzy, how far you came young boy. I remember when I was staring at Comeback Season on 2dopeboyz thinking “should I DL this shit or not?” The man is nice on the microphone, I cannot dispute that, but he gotta cut that singing out lol.
I’m definitely gonna have to hear this album now since this is such a heated discussion
Who the fuck is Drake “A.I.-ing”?
That Oscar the grouch lookin ass boy ain’t beefin or competing with nobody. At least no rappers…
If you make a parrallel between expectations and hype, then I can see how the album could be seen as dissapointing. Considering the (over)saturation of Drake’s music commercially over the past year or so, drawing expectations from his hype sets the album up for failure, because expectations become overblown.
In my opinion, the album isn’t one that will convert those who weren’t fans already, especially those who take issue with the fact that his music is as much R&B as it is rap, if not more. The album is just as heavy on singing as So Far Gone was, so that’s already kind of a polarizing move. If anything, the album plays, stylistically, like a typical progression from So Far Gone – a bunch of mid tempo songs, lots of hollow drums, a string of rap/sung hybrids, musical cues taken from pop & R&B as much as from rap.
Lyrically, Drake’s capable of putting together lines that are worthwhile when he turns to personal, real-life situations. It’s usually not very deep, and thematically it’s limited, but he’s capable of working well with simplicity. However, as a songwriter, you also have to be able to put simple ideas in subtle ways, and for that, Drake often relies on one-liner punchlines to pass for cleverness.
Personally, I found it was his singing that lifted his rapping up, certainly gave the songs the variety it lacked in subject matter and flow, and gave them a lasting quality. Crafting melodies and choruses might be Drake biggest strength, and I agree with the sentiment that he didn’t try to overreach vocally on the album, but instead used singing to tie everything together nicely. I’ve read mixed reactions to the production, but I thought one of the critiques (that the songs sounded the same) was actually a positive aspect of the music, in that there was a certain sound that was achieved throughout the different vibes (credit 40 for that).
Quality-wise, I don’t think it veers too far from So Far Gone, one way or the other, but so far, it sounds like a very solid commercial hip-hop/r&b album. 4 cigs.
First off- even IF TSS got hooked up to bust a nut over the record… who cares.
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Who cares? I do. TSS is an honest publication. The crew ain’t to be bought.
Sick of hearing people talk about how we getting payola when my account look like this:
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lol
I completely agree with your assessment of the album Gotty. This album is the best hip hop I’ve heard in years, plus it will get a lot of niggaz laid this summer.
Another standout is the Cupid Valentino-influenced “Shut it Down.” The seven minute serenade, complete with multiple movements and soaring harmonies between The-Dream and Drake is one of the best R&B tracks of the past few years. Break out the satin sheets.
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Well-said
Can’t go through all the comments but I’ll just say that this is a well-deserved 4.5. I don’t always agree with or TSS’s reviews or their best albums of the year lists, but you guys nailed it with your Distant Relatives critique (still the runaway leader for most overrated album of the year, in my opinion) and your review was on point here as well.
I can’t lie I was suprised at the 4.5 I was thinking maybe it woulda got 3.5 (the lowest) or 4 (the highest).
My faves are Miss Me, Light Up & Resistance… I don’t know why but everything else sounds the same… I guess it could be his approach to every hook (the singing in the high pitch, then low vocal speech tone).
I would have to say my biggest gripe about it was the over use of punchlines like “I used to drive my uncle benz…rice colored” (just an example)…
However, I will say he knows how to make the hell out of a song… But the content seemed cheesy compared to SFG. Eh whatever, I’m still a fan of CBS, RFI & SFG… TML was just a little ASS IMO (flow wise).
Anotha Time,
MaLLy
@ Phillmatic
lol
That was some good stuff!
@SF
Thank you as well. More searching.
This could prove to be valuable info.
@ Deen Old Friend
He’s hasn’t “A.I.ed” anybody yet and I’ll tell you while I like the line and understand it. (I was at that game) he really doesn’t want that but first . .
Off Top I think he’s nice but I’m sure you’ll agree he’ll never be the best rapper alive
but I think dudes aim is a lot higher than The Best Rapper A live.
I still think dude will be a megastar and it will probably have very little to do with rapping.
It’s starting to become a footnote to many People that Will Smith, Queen Latifah & LL were hugh Rap Stars. Cube is still going but I think the Boondocks covered how a lot kids perceive Cube.
Anyway the point is Drake will be a great artist even if he’s never the greatest rapper. He’s alway well ahead of his contemporaries .
. . . . As for the A.I. thing he doesn’t want that because as great as that play was it was just one play in the entire game and MJ had 35 and the Sixers Lost.
Not to mention for all the numbers A.I. put up people still go to this and a shining moment. It was just a moment in a HOF but ringless career and It actually speaks more to the G.O.A.T. status of MJ than the skill of a Young Answer.
The album was OK. I don’t think it was targeted for me and my tastes, but it will/has reached it’s target audience. That=success
Dude is still selling, dude was behind TC & I at Best Buy and he made a special trip out to cop. Talkin’ on the phone all loud bout supportin’ his boy Drizzy. Dude had to be like 35, I think he was gonna use it in lieu of candy while on the prowl.
He didn’t get 5 cigs so im not gonna bitch too much (especially since im typing this from my ps3 cuz my computer is fucked up) I haven’t set aside my bias and listened to it like I did with The Carter 3 (hated it) but if the general consensus is it’s a hit then I guess I have to.
Every song on TML is good and has replay value to me except Thank Me Now, I can’t get passed the first few seconds of that song.
lol well “how i got over” better get a 7.f/5 lmao! because it exceeded raps standards “even tho its 2010″ lol
This is a good album from Drake. Honestly I expected more, but it was good. It was… to borrow from the review, which was great BTW… shallow. My interest is more like where does he go from here? Can he do it again? I don’t think so, he’s not Kanye, I don’t feel that type of creativity coming from him. IMO his quality is already trending down, and he sounds lost as an artist. I know it’s crazy to predict someone’s demise while he’s the hottest artist in the game, but I see his demise coming soon if he doesn’t center himself in something real.
Oh, you mad cuz he’s stylin’ on you
Haven’t listened to it all the way thru yet. Not really a pop rap fan or a back packer but I’m not hating. I’m just a true an living fan of hip hop. Pop keeps the lights on, under ground pushes the art. What the homie has done with this album is what art is supposed to do. Spark discussion. Once the dust settles and the opinions have been volleyed. Time will tell where it stands. It’s good to see passion in music again. At least with the fans.
Haters gonna hate.
You heard So Far Gone and yet you expect Thank Me Later to be Illmatic or Blueprint. Some of y’all are both stupid and ignorant.
Drake NEVER strayed from his formula as soon as he found it. As soon as he found out he could hold a note for a second, he took it and ran with it. Drake makes good music and I’m pretty sure he’d rather make good music than bust out sick rhymes.
Look at Nas and Talib, how has busting sick rhymes worked for them. Drake wants to be a musician and not just a rapper and it’s not selling out if he’s been doing that from day 1.
Drake’s music will appeal to way more people than Nas’ or Talib’s. I’m not saying Drake is a better rapper because he’s not. Drake is a better musician. Look at Kanye, he’s limited as a rapper but Kanye makes good music.
Did people listen to Cudi’s album and expect him to give you some rapping ass shit? If Gaga gets a 4.5 for her album, are you going to hate because she doesn’t give you deep shit to think about?
Drake promised honest music not deep rap. He delivered and based on that he deserves his 4.5
Album is solid I still prefer Wale and J Cole but it’s a great start.
Can’t really argue with the review. It’s kind of bullshit that detractors are getting painted with a “hater” or “bitter oldhead” brush, though. I’m not gonna get into the whole what is or is not hip-hop discussion here, but there’s definitely a divide in rap/HH music, and this album and the feelings being expressed towards it illustrates that perfectly.
“Thank Me Later is pure platinum pop, 15 tracks of masterful songcraft with only a few hiccups.”
Pretty much. Having said that, to compare it to raw hip-hop that goes out of its way to avoid bubblegum bullshit is just that: BS. Some people are of the school of thought that hip-hop is undefinable and that simply calling oneself a hip-hop artist makes it so. I may be a little less welcoming. This seems manufactured, sold out, pandering and made just to make a buck. That, at least to me, has never been “hip-hop.” Just like skinny jeans and white fuckin’ sunglasses.
Great pop album. Wack hip-hop album.
Fantastic Review…I trust you will be on the right side of history. The album will go down as classic and the haters should go rock out to Sean Price or some shit…like Gotty says it is just not for yo anymore, you have been left behind…Beans too
This cat is easily one of the most polarizing figures in rap history.
Also, I’m not keen on the album, but I also don’t plan on going back to ’88 with my backpack or no shit like that. Just not feelin’ it. Good review, though.
I can dig it. I said 4 cigs, but that .5 is well deserved. It is a great album.
WOW! Look at all the comments this joint has generated. TSS is indeed major! :)
I’ll have to check this for sure, it has obviously sparked a great deal of debate, for and against.
If all this is anything to go by, then Drake is the next micro evolutionary event in terms of what direction the hip hop sound is heading next.
well….damn. just…wow.
I don’t know how to call this one…I really like the album for what it is…dope entertainment. Drake can craft some awesome songs.
but 4.5? really? you know what….Ive stood by this blog since 06′.
I accept TSS’s views on Distant Relatives (I don’t really play that album anymore…3.5 cigs from me)
I’ll even accept the Refllecton Eternal review (I personally enjoy Kweli’s flow and Tek’s production more so than others….a 4 from me).
I’m even prepared for when TSS takes a royal shit on Recovery (I can just tell…these albums seem to not convey the new school approach that TSS seems to be enamored with nowadays….Recovery has some flaws…but dope regardless…4 cigs from me).
I will ultimately accept TSS giving Thank Me Later 4.5 cigs. I personally would give it a 4…I don’t think I’ll play this much 9 months from now like I still do with Only Built 4 Cuban Linx 2…which TSS is pretty much saying these two albums are on par with each other in terms of quality. I’d have to respectfuly disagree to the fullest on that one (OB4CL 2 >>>> TML).
but the only thing left I wanna say…..
if “How I Got Over” doesn’t get 4.5 as well….I’m seriously going to question a good portion of these reviewers’ validity.
just an honest opinion…typed with respect towards the crew.
Wish I coul’ve been one of the first to comment to I could put this…
http://www.kanyelive.com/talk/Smileys/default/emot-munch.gif
Thank Me Later is pure platinum pop..
exactly. Not the true hip hop I enjoy.
4.5 cigs… really?
So if Lady Gaga got reviewed by TSS and she got 5 cigs, you’d be salty too? Get over yourself. Stop comparing Drake to Raekwon or The Roots.They don’t make the same type of music.
Thank Me Later got 4.5 for what it is and not what you want it to be.
after watching that video or special on Drizzy I respect him much more but a 4.5 is a bit much a 4 yes I know a .5 really but that is this much to greatness but still Drake has started some new new (along with Cudi in my eyes) in America Drake is better than good enough but as of yet not great you really gotta understand his flow to enjoy him. With that said he ain’t the best in hip-hop by far but he’s got my vote tired of hating……….. Nuff said 3 LIONS OUT
at the end of the day…this is still considered hip-hop…we may consider it pop or mainstream or whatever.
at the end of the day…Aubrey is rhyming. hip-hop.
Im comparing purely based on quality. I dont see how I’m hating to be honest…I said it myself it’s a dope album…and I respect TSS for their 4.5
all Im saying…if this is truly on the level of OB4CL 2…I just cant bring myself to do call it myself. call me a purist…old-fashioned….couldnt really care to be honest. Im just saying….talking in terms of the truest sense of hip-hop and quality….OB4CL 2 >>> TML (my opinion o course….and seems like OB4CL 2 is still more critically acclaimed than TML…along with How I Got Over…if anyone wants to bring up that sort of argument…just saying…check metacritic).
if we have good enough ears to deem Raekwon’s a near classic….and deem Thank Me Later as a near classic as well…well then….I just hope our collective ears can get it right with How I Got Over and to a lesser extent Recovery.
TSS got it right with Distant Relatives. They barely got it right with Reflection Eternal. I just don’t want reviews I trust with my hard-earned $$$ to be so enamored with this new-school vanguard that hip-hop seems to be shifting too. Yes, I understand a lot of the new stuff is super dope…but so is the traditional stuff as well (i.e The Roots, Eminem, Raekwon).
don’t dog out quality albums just because they don’t represent the new-school that people seem to be infatuated with now. there’s a difference between keeping tradition…and sounding dated.
and I dont know shit about quality pop music….so I couldnt really speak on TSS reviewing Lady Gaga if they ever chose to do it.
I’d go by their word and give it a shot.
besides…IMO, Lady Gaga stays having possibly the some of the best music production in music today…IMO. her beats are bangers.
Also I think being Pop works for some Drake, Kanye, Dizzee Rascal. Drake because I think he knows he ain’t a spitterso he does what he does and is catchy, Ye because of his unabrassive flow and great production plus good lyrics keeps him top 10 rappers right now, Dizzee Rascal because he has found a way to use Pop productions and keep it “real” same flow same Lyrics pure dopeness really he is top 5 right now easy. Now to those it FAILED turribly 1 Jay-Z after Kindom cum I thought night night Jigga then the album for the movie AG was a sollid 4 and kept my faith in him, then BP3 came out and he sounded like he had Alzheimer’s on this shit great Production F- flows and F- Lyrics 2 Lil Wayne when the C3 came out I liked it ……. lots even his pop songs worked (lollipop Mrs. Officer Comfortable) then YM hit stride and it fell apart unlike Dizz keeping his pinpoint flow and hardcore lyrics Wayne threw it out and sounded like someone hit him with a bat before spittin then No Cielings came out 4 easy still banging his run this town and No cielings record plus all of it sides wayne on me faith still there then bang a tired Wayne and Drizzy failed to deliver I was wounded not down the On Fire came wasn’t hurt kinda liked it for a month then DTW came and I said yes if this is Rebirth then a 3 or 3.5 guess what? Nawwwww nothing like it. Boom gone faith bye bye (No Love is encouraging fosho mabey we get Weezy F back). 3. Lupe yes Lupe Lattest shit is pathetic just naw no redeeming favor in it his fake humble, philanthropic status gone. My 3 piece
The craziest part of this is that most of the people disagreeing with the rating are coming with their own intelligent rebuttals (again the review was probably one of the best written) but constantly getting lumped as “haters” or “bitter old-heads”. Their seems to be immaturity on the part of some of the Drake fans. Which is ironic, because on other sites they would be the ones clamoring for respect and such but on a site with a much more ecletic taste, they wanna slander cats…I mean sounds like weak sauce to me…
Either way, I liked this album more then I did Wayne’s last 2 releases so at least he accomplished something…now if Drake could just skim down the Young Money roster he would have an actual squad behind him. Because with all that Young Money talk Drake do, he only got Wayne and Onicka on the album, no Lil Shits LOL….and where Trey? Did them dudes fall out LOL
You iz a hater!!!!
Forreal though, if you say TSS is on some payola shit for giving this a 4.5 then you are hating. That’s not a logical reason to discredit the review. That’s pure hating.
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You need to forget about the term ‘hating’ – it’s such a limiting concept that handily allows people to be dismissive of others views entirely without attempting to engage with what they’re actually saying.
The purpose of a review is to give the listener an informed overview of the record right? The reader is relying on the reviewers taste and judgement to determine whether they’ll like the record or not. Imagine you’re a rap fan in say 1990 and a magazine reviews the new Fresh Prince record and gives it 4.5 stars and declares it to be the future of rap music and that if you don’t like it then rap has left you behind.
You’d call bullshit.
Rap HAS changed, and Drake represents one aspect of it, but if this means
The review written here just did not read as a 4.5cig rating 2 me- I expected much more!
*bollocks*
ahem, if this means his album gets 4.5 cigs, then can people who prefer for example Raekwon or Black Milk, can they rely on decent reviews in the future from people whose tastes don’t seem to represent that type of hip-hop?
I saw a review of Recovery in the UK broadsheet The Independent a couple of days ago, which absolutely slated the album – the point is, your average rap listener doesn’t look at The Independent for their rap reviews because you know your taste isn’t reflected by that publication. But a ‘safer’ rap album would probably get a great review from them, which as a rap listener makes you question the reviewing criteria.
“I’m from da ghetto not degrassi” – Freddie Gibbs
its okay its not like i pay for this lol so im not mad or anything especially at the haters randomly calling everybody haters (see how quickly that lost meaning i dont know why you still call people that a child molester considers the police to be player haters dummy lmao!) but i know which album between the roots and drake (which are both ‘music’ so they can be compared) that ill randomly come across and be able to listen to it and know it still sounds amazing to me… sorry but “thank me later” which wasn’t bad but doesnt bring anything new to the table for me will be out of my rotation in about 3 months just like carter 3.
Great write up, Pat.
and i hope the taliban attack me next time i leave the wire to wake me up if i EVER start to blur my standards of whats “hot right now” and whats actually good enough to be timeless
and i still love TSS but its getting bootlegged lmao!
Is that a 4.5 /10…….
one suggestion. give Rap/Hip Hop albums cigs and Pop/RnB albums something else, because you are confusing people. TML might be good/great… whateva. but 4.5 cigs for TML is not 4.5 cigs for OB4CL2.
@MZ
“I don’t think authenticity is Drake’s problem, dude is only 23. You don’t have too much to talk about at that age”
REALLY?
Nas was 21 when he dropped Illmatic!
give Rap/Hip Hop albums cigs and Pop/RnB albums something else, because you are confusing people.
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We don’t rate/review Pop/R&B albums, so…
People seem to forget about this little group that was once just as big (actually bigger than Drake) called The Fugees. The released a little album that Thank Me Later will never measure up to called The Score. Not only did it feature a subpar rapper on nearly early song, it had its fair share of singing throughout (nearly ever chorus and like “Find Your Love,” a nice little remake with no rapping at all). But, I guess it was O.K. because we all were a lot younger than, Hip-Hop was in its glory days and The Fugees looked afrocentric.
A lot of yous are letting your personal preferences rate and align with the Cigs. That’s not how we do it over here. It’s cool to be fans of Raekwon, Drake, Gaga, Roots, Brotha Lynch Hung—whoever… at the same time.
Hip-Hop albums may differ in subgenre but they each, still have paths to take to get to that higher road. I don’t remember anyone critizing Dr. Dre for not sounding like Outkast so why does it begin now when we have fewer great albums at our disposal. It’s no secret Hip-Hop got weaker in the mid 00s and fans seemingly clinged to their preferences to avoid falling in the pitfalls of snap, crunk and ringtone music.
You don’t have to do that (anymore, if not ever). You may miss out on something you’ll truly enjoy.
I. Love. This. Shit. Distant Relatives, Reflection, Recovery, How I Got Over, Thank Me Later. It looks like there is something for everybody. We might just look back at this at the end of the year (when everybody’s feelings ain’t so hurt) and realize, “Music is rocking like never before” c) Big Boi. Let’s stop being so sensitive and enjoy this moment. I sure as hell am!
We don’t rate/review Pop/R&B albums, so…
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REALLY?
“Thank Me Later is pure platinum pop”
“…we have fewer great albums at our disposal.”
i don’t think we have fewer great albums, it’s just that we have MUCH more bullshit albums coming out.
We don’t rate/review Pop/R&B albums, so…
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Here’s a quote from the review -
“…Thank Me Later is pure platinum pop…”
The Fugees are a great case in point – they were popular because they were a safe act. They had a couple of good songs, but I don’t know anyone who thought The Score was a classic album. The broadsheet reviewers loved them because they had a talented female in the group and for the fact that they were basically rap with all the rough edges smoothed away.
:-|
Jay-Z – “Run This Town” = Pop.
Outkast – “Ms. Jackson” = Pop.
Nas – “Hero” = Pop.
You can take things literal or you can look @ them figuratively as we do. A crossover sound indicates a “pop record” but you can still tell who owns the masters to the brand. Thank Me Later will be nominated in the Rap Category @ the Grammys.
The Fugees are a great case in point – they were popular because they were a safe act. They had a couple of good songs, but I don’t know anyone who thought The Score was a classic album
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That shit got 5 Mics in The Source
“…we have fewer great albums at our disposal.”
i don’t think we have fewer great albums, it’s just that we have MUCH more bullshit albums coming out.
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There was always bullshit. Positive K, Freaknasty, 69 Boyz, So So Def Allstars…you name it. But it didn’t irk fans as much bacc then because there was plenty of quality to choose from. These days, we nitpick @ the quality we have. When there’s a shortage of food, the natives become restless…
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The Fugees are a great case in point – they were popular because they were a safe act. They had a couple of good songs, but I don’t know anyone who thought The Score was a classic album
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That shit got 5 Mics in The Source
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You’ve proved my point perfectly – pop rap albums with a huge promotional machine behind them get unusually positive reviews – this is why so many people are questioning a 4.5 cig review for this Drake album.
4,5? Sure, at least now I know those ratings here don’t represent my taste of music.
Jay-Z – “Run This Town” = Pop.
Outkast – “Ms. Jackson” = Pop.
Nas – “Hero” = Pop.
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pop or popular? to me that’s two different things. Drake is POP.
“Thank Me Later will be nominated in the Rap Category @ the Grammys”
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The Grammys? WORD? Are you kidding me?
Since when do the Grammys know ANYTHING about Rap. C’mon Son!
how has nobody called out that Swizz ruins “Fancy” with his horrendous hook?
how has nobody called out that Swizz ruins “Fancy” with his horrendous hook?
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I really like that song. Pause?
@ don king
It obviously has to be high quality. You can’t just cheese your way into a favorable review. Did we do that with Flo-Rida? What about Gucci Mane? Drake isn’t the only one skating between Hip-Hop and straightforward pop but he is amongst the best doing it right now.
Do remember, we saw this movie in 2008 and Tha Carter III fell short of achieving monumental status.
Good write up Patrick.
I with everything that you said. Although I do feel like that .5 is a bit generous. It’s a strong 4 in my book. What you said in that second to last paragraph is exactly what made it a 4 in my book. I wouldn’t say that he is downright contradictory, but he does flip-flop a bit. Good album overall though!
So far gone is better than this album. Why? Because he stayed closer to his in house team.
ALL of SFG’s tracks were on point.
I just wish he would rap more…
4.5 cigs indeed!
Cool album and yes he needs to rap more but Aubreys done well for himself, respect!
For the guy that quoted Freddie Gibbs,
So if a BEP album got 4.5 cigs, you’d be mad too?
Why must everything be gully/gangsta/ghetto?
so this is just as good as ob4cl2 and BETTER than K.R.I.T. Wuz Here? REALLY?
this review most definitely gets a comeonson…so the world has been split to 2..if u like Drake, youre labeled soft if you dont like Drake your labeled a hater…basically no one wins…but it is what it is
I’m a New Yorker first and a rap fan second so a kid rapping from Canada was something I wasnt trying to hear..but as the musical landscape changed so did my taste and I would have to say that I’m a big fan of Drake..this review makes some valid points but I dont think this album is worth 4.5 cigs.. wheres the versatility?? wheres the continuity that So Far Gone had?? wheres the organic flow that made me defend Drake as much as I defend Nas in convos?? also, when did an album require 15 singles to make it hot? and most importantly where is the Bizness?? he produced 0 tracks on this album…and where is his PnC Trey Songz??
His free music was better in my opinion, this album is an overhyped r&b record that lacked a&r direction with the greedy labels fingerprints all over it
So Far Gone the original was 100 times better than this album but I guess the label has to milk that cow until its sick and deprived
And I say if you don’t like it, fill your backpack w/your cassette tapes and leave Hip-Hop. It’s obviously not for you anymore and ‘88 is back thataway. Either that or party, get some pussy and live life w/this as part of your soundtrack.
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you’re a god for that one, gotty.
swizz beatz needs to not have a job anymore.
I’m a New Yorker first and a rap fan second so a kid rapping from Canada was something I wasnt trying to hear
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Xenophobia = hate, no?
Drake is the perfect hybrid artist. we will see many duplicates……
@ stillwaters r.d.
REALLY?
Nas was 21 when he dropped Illmatic!
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True, but authenticity has to go hand and hand with your background. Drake was on sets acting and being tutored, while Nas was skipping school/dropping out and living in Queensbridge. Drake may not be able to weave a 16 like Nas, but that doesn’t make him any less authentic.
I can’t remember the last album that was as good as this one when it comes to production. The beats are impeccable.
The rapping on the other hand… like you said, shallow. And I think the vocal effect they use every single time he “sings” is brutal.
Straight up, the album is too sugary for my taste. I’m not gonna fight you guys on this rating, because your crew assessed the strengths and weaknesses of the album perfectly, but Drake has got to be the corniest dude who will ever receive 4.5 cigs.
Just saw Drake’s performance on Leno.I take back everything I said about this dude. he needs to stick to rapping, Phonte raps/sings 1000000000x better than this soft dude. Now I see where all the manufactured and disingenous claims come from. Samwell is more masculine than this dude.
If you’re thinking Thank Me Later isn’t 4.5 cigs because you’re comparing it to other albums than don’t. Just like Drake as an artists you have to take the album for what it is, although i don’t agree with 4.5 i personally feel its 4 cigs. Drake remained true to himself as an artist & the album had a more put together So Far Gone feel to it. I believe he’s capable of a better album, but for a first one this is solid all around. Give him time to grow & mature as an artits, not saying he’ll become the messiah of rap. I believe that Gotty’s three pics will bring that real lyrical feel back to Hip Hop so check for those guys & more as well.
@MZ
Drake may not be able to weave a 16 like Nas, but that doesn’t make him any less authentic.
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I don’t question his authenticity… but at 23 there’s sure more to talk/rap/sing about than JUST girls, party and bullshit. but if that’s ALL Drake knows, then he’s KEEPIN’ IT REAL.
my suggestion regarding the rating system:
Rap/Hip Hop Albums – Cigs
RnB/PoP/Whatever Albums – Pink Baloons
and Drake definitely gets 4.5 pink baloons
I dont think just because its a different decade it should change peoples opinions on whats good and what isnt… this stuff to me just isnt good. *Picks up backpack and cassettes.. is the only one leaving with dignity and honor in tact*
and Drake definitely gets 4.5 pink baloons
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i think he should get ribbons instead.. pretty pink ribbons… game, blouses, oh wait.. no, nevermind, he tore his acl running onto the court.
Drake remained true to himself as an artist
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so does barney.. doesnt mean im buying barney cassettes up left and right.
I do not agree with your rating. It seems to me you guys are grading this guy easier just because he’s young and this is his first album. “He’s not supposed to be rap’s messiah.” So because you think this he automatically gets a pass? “Yeah Drake makes boring music in which he talks about the same things over and over. It’s crappy music, but it’s good crappy music, so he gets a 4.5 for his efforts.” And a classic album such as Distant Relatives gets a 3.5 because it was not what you were expecting from the duo.
*Charles Barkley Voice* “This is a TERRRRRBLE review!”
oh yeah and if “How I Got Over” is not at least a 4.5 I will have lost all faith in your rating system.
OK that’s it. I still down with TSS.
*dramatic voice*
Why TSS ?! Whyyyyyyyy ?!
lmao at Distant Relatives being a classic. Yikes.
I feel like he got a 4.5 simply because its different, while being an undeniably strong album, although it has far too many flaws to be labeled a 4.5, 3.5 at best. So far gone was clearly better in my oppinion.
My gripes:
Too many features
Redundant subject matter.
Drake has too few lyrically strong moments, hes capable of much more given his past work.
Fancy sucks and I always skip Shut it down and Cece’s interlude
(Trey Songz > The Dream!)
It comes off as shallow pop with rap sprinkled throughout. Very well produced. His hooks and melodies are easily top notch, the singing works (usually), his rapping falls flat too often.
Overall, still solid but too flawed for a 4.5..
All this coming from a fan.
Do I think this album is great (a little above average) no, but I got respect for what Drake’s accomplished so fast. Give him credit for being a name for his music (pop or not), mixtapea, and his guest spots. He’s finding his style still in my opinion and I think the next cd will be a breakthrough for him.
as far as TSS reviews go, if you got banging beats, then your album will get a good rating..
I figured it out! The Smoking Section is to Drake what Engadget is to Apple.
Really this album isn’t that awesome. SFG deserved 5 cigs, but this is definitely more like 4, or maybe 3.5.
What the hell does “I better find your lovin’” mean? Is it kinda like when people say they found Jesus?
really though?
if this deserves 4.5 then you guys should do a review of the roots’ how i got over and give it the first 5 cigs ever. just saying.
HIGO>> thank me later
hmm, DX gives it two and a half, you give it a four and a half. who to trust? i liked that You THe Best song but the single i heard with the rude boy video wasnt that tight. I dont think im gonna spring for it, i still need to cop that roots album anyway. *fills backpack with cassettes and heads back to 88.
ATI and Mr. Rack ‘em Up are on point with their comments. Drake is missing a genuine connection with his audience because he can’t honestly relate to the average person. Nowadays Hip-hop is so glamourous… you know you don’t HAVE to be a “somebody” to make a good rap album. I’m sorry Drake, I like your music but it’s fake as turkey bacon. I want turkey or I want bacon, you can’t give me one and tell me its the other…. #imjustsayin
I thought this site was good… then I saw this review.