While it took Beanie Sigel over a half-hour to convey his thoughts, Jay gives his assessment in under a minute. Cool Hand Luke never gets rattled.
Who’s right? Who’s wrong? No real winners here. While Jay understandably sheds light on the fact that Beans should be in the same position Bleek is in (at the least), one would think with Mr. Carter being more wealthy and successful than ever, the R-O-C “Nation” would consist of more familiar faces.
But like Jay said, don’t be mad when it’s on to the next one.
Previously Posted — Beanie Sigel – “I Ain’t Your Average Cat” (Jay-Z Diss)
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whats good?
Shut up TC.
Obviously, the money is not the whole point, but if your man asked to be let out of his contract cuz he felt played, and you wouldn’t do it, there’s something wrong there.
But beans just wants to get some letters in prison and maybe even a phone call now and then.
Where’s the crew love?
As a wise person just reminded me…
“Beans I aint tryna change you… just give you some game…to make the transition from the street to the fame…” © Jay-z off Mama loves me. Blueprint came out in 2001 for crying out loud!
Said it yesterday and I’ll say it again. If the dude can’t get on his own feet after years of training wheels, get off the fuckin’ bike.
Furthermore, didn’t he choose Dame over Jay when all that went down down?
Y’all can talk about business all you want. At the end of the day Jay-Z is a trife dude. smfh. Very hard to have any other type of personality and achieve success to the level he made. But don’t fault Beans if he got disappointed that the person who represented one thing did not live up to the representation. Do not know if Beans took Dame’s side in the dispute. I do not know how far Beans and Jay go back and all that transpired between them but that answer has nothing to do with Beans complaints.
Said it yesterday and I’ll say it again. If the dude can’t get on his own feet after years of training wheels, get off the fuckin’ bike.
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What are Beans complaints here?
Beans was looking for some non-business love from Jay (Noooooo Homo!) but didnt receive it. And Jay “apparently” presented that he was gonna follow the ‘non business’ codes. If Beans told Jay he didn’t want Jays money and he’s never tried to leverage the fall out for any album sales before , then you have to take this as he’s not crying about his current status.
Jay is wrong in this way only; He tries to play both sides of the field. You can’t jump from block morals to business ethics whenever you deem it beneficial. If you’re a man of your word, be a man of your word. If you’re live by the laws of business, then be that dude. But don’t play both sides.
I always remember Jay-Z quote about when he 1st got into the music business, he would have business meetings with executives. They would make a deal and shake on it. But when they were in another persons office on a later date, they claimed to have never said the previous things that they and Jay shook hands on. And he learned that ‘there is no honor amongst businessmen’. But he has built a parallel representation of himself.
a man gotta have a code (c) Omar Little
Some off ya’ll missing the point. Its like a brother that keeps messing up. At some point while you still love him, you got to do you because he doesn’t want to get out of his own way! Why the hell is he crying about a visit and a letter? Dudes don’t write and visit each other like that!! Plus the dude only had a year and a day!!! Has he wrote or visited Peedi or Neef? Beans needs to get his life together, and the first step is taking responsibility for his own actions…..
Was Beans still mad at Jay for not writing him when he was seen in the Roc Boys video?
1979
I don’t know if you’ve been down before, but I know this. A dude can say he doesn’t want niggas to come thru but EVERYBODY in that hellhole desperately needs a person on the outside. Your hardest dude to your frailest one will admit to that. And if you do have ‘ya brother that keeps messing up’ what is the 1st thing as a brother you do? You tell them. That’s all Beans is saying. Give me words, He said he told Jay from the jump to NOT give me a fish but show me how.
All these rappers need to recite everyday EPMD album title and stop being taken on all the romantic mafia-esque label crew gang family affiliation etc…
I blame the Diddy’s for making rappers believe they are family and I blame rappers for believing this is family…
@Cell
One by closes homeboys is down now. I write once a month and I visit. He’s down for 3, and he aint pressed for a letter or visit. Believe me I know commissary is very necessary! Beans was given all the tools to be successful, and he fucked it all off!
Damn such a concise response. “Beanie Sigel had a record deal, a record label and a clothing line. And never went platinum.”
Damn, Beans lost.
If I was Jay, I wouldn’t have let Beans outta his contract either. If Beans didn’t sell his own records, he definitely sold Jay’s records. Having a Beanie Sigel in your corner goes a long way in this industry.
Jay gave some good points in that answer. GOOD points. Kanye doesn’t have a clothing line… sheeeeeiiiitttt… Kanye went and got his own Nike shoe. Two of them actually if you count those “College Dropout” Air Max 180′s.
All these rappers need to recite everyday EPMD album title and stop being taken on all the romantic mafia-esque label crew gang family affiliation etc…
I blame the Diddy’s for making rappers believe they are family and I blame rappers for believing this is family…
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Ain’t that the truth! If nothing else, that’s the real lesson here.
jay z = booooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
beans = yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
Beans needs to get off “his juice” and get control of his life! Its not too late, but he has to quit blaming everyone else.
hopefully this will end all the bulls**t whiny talk from sigel.
but knowin some of you ignorant ass “street n***as”, it wont be.
some moron somewhere is gonna gas beanie’s head up as if he mattered, and try to make more bulls**t diss songs.
YOU ARE 35 FUCKIN YEARS OLD DWIGHT GRANT AKA BEANIE!
GROW UP AND GET A HOLD OF YOUR OWN LIFE. MAKE SOMETHING OF YOURSELF, ON YOUR OWN TWO FEET.
STFU and put your rocawear pom poms away…your acting like camelface has got you oin the payroll.
I’m from Baltimore and I don’t think jay-z even visited his own brother in jail. some people in streets think thats a way for the law to catch up with you. This is the first time bean wasn’t on a jay z album in a long time. so maybe this is all rap partner beef and they will be back rapping again. the fact jay z responded shows he wants beans to get some attention from the media. he easily could of played off the question.
My brother is in jail. Will be for yrs to come. Same for the younger one. My cousin is doing life. I aint going to see’em.
Jay has his faults in this situation but ultimately the fault is Beanie’s. If you think otherwise, you prolly still runnin round in dirty sweatpants hollerin “bros over hoes”. Fuck outta here lol. Jay 40, Beans is 30+ easy. Get up off your ass & get your own.
” Honestly man Jay’s been sliding out of my top since H to the Izzo…naturally fans are going to side with Jay because people are in love with the “idea” of a Jay-Z…you know naturally I would know haters to come forward on a guy of Jay-Z’s status but this is like the 15th disgruntled employee…dude has a horrible track record amongst allies…
…plus Jay-Z endorses strange behavior…weird symbols and shit…
THANK. YOU. GOTTY.
this guy is 35. at what point do you decide to be your own man and stop looking for welfare type handouts?
I think peoples point are valid in the sense that a man should handle his. I stand firm on that belief. Everybody is accountable for their own. However, I dont think Beans is looking for a hand out. He turned down money, he tried to opt out of his contract. So this aint about none of that. And if thats all you’re getting from it then you’re just “skimmin through it”. This is something personal, something that should have been squashed behind closed doors. But apparently Jay wasn’t giving him that option and then comes the whole police thing. Now it becomes public. So all the ‘beanie get on your job’ and ‘stand on your own 2 ft’ shouldn’t even come up. Not in this case, cus if thats what it was, I would be on that nigga too.
jay, does this fuckin’ face/beans/jigga LP
and then all the people will be happy
fuck the rest, it’s all about doe !
i’m with gotty on this one.
1st of all, visits, letters & other signs of support are important to those doing a bid. that’s true. but aside from moms, wifey & children droppin by, nobody is OWED a visit in the bing. and even moms, wifey & kids ain’t a surefire condition. i’m not talkin false arrests or no mumia-type shit. i’m talkin bout niggas who do dumb shit & get knocked, like beanie did several times during a promising career. i’m a big beanie sigel fan but he pissed away a good portion of his career behind bars. the best way to avoid worrying about folks visiting you in jail… is simply not to get locked up.
could jay have handled this a lil’ better? sure. but as upper-crusty as it sounds, jay is in an precarious position where visiting an associate in prison could tarnish his rep & fuck up his business. for us in the hood it ain’t shit, but to these ritzy fucks jay deals with now? could be damaging. in the wake of mike vick’s situation, we all know that, so why beanie don’t know that? at least jay ain’t lie & say he went to visit beans, like puff did with shyne.
and again, how many chances can you give a nigga? it’s up to beans to capitalize on his opportunities whether jay helped him out or not. it’s tough to capitalize when you’re in the bing half the time.
if master p said “fuck c-murder, i’m disowning this nigga,” could you blame him really?
when i was 16, my dudes were hella important to me.
when i was 21, they were everything.
when i hit 25 or so, we were still cool but priorities started changing.
now, shit, i can’t pay another man’s rent or help him too much b/c i got a family of my own to feed.
to me, fuck all that extra shit. that’s beans and jay. beans had PLENTY of time and opps to get his shit together.
Did Jay call the cops or, if he did, why’d he do it? iono. but beans is blowing hot air.
Again, not justifying what jay did/did not do business-wise. Beans just gotta be real about his own shit.
…nah…man Jay-Z is a solid emcee and a savvy business man…I can’t judge Jay-Z because I do not know him…but his reputation amongst his closet peers proceeds him…I mean not every one that was “ROC Elite” has to be put in the dog house just for the sake of Jigga’s “priorities changing”…
…so on one hand I’m skeptical of Jay-Z’s morals *I can’t judge him*
the other I feel like maybe since Jay-Z acquired so much status and power…that many may feel “entitled” to something…if not a little more than what they put into the “Roc”….
…either way it’s not a good look for Jay-Z as far as “hard-core” hip-hop fans are concerned…but to his business partners…they could give 2 fucks about rice much less BEANS….
…and to add…it’s always been cool or dope to rebel against an established figure…i.e “Fuck Bush” so hip-hop heads “a majority still clinging to the fragments of 2pacs mythical quote: FUCK JAY-Z”…and those still living in 2001: Nas vs. Jay-Z…masturbate in on-line hate
…so naturally it’s kind of cool to hate Jay-Z…given his current status…an established figure
I’m not a stan better yet I’m no BIG fan of Jay-Z…but I do notice the unusual amount of hate he receives…as if Jigga pulled the trigger in Las Vegas ’96…
Beanie just needs to stop eating so damn much, and make the most of what he has NOW.
You had a label, record deal, and a clothing line. What more opportunities would you need? Roca-pads?
loyalty… i think that is all beans was complaining about… he said he never took a dime from jay, so i don’t think he is looking for a handout now… i didn’t hear him blame jay for any of his problems… loyalty…
I mean obviously Jay-Z is right, but I always root for the underdog in these rap beefs. Plus Jay-Z is one of the smuggest looking motherfuckers alive and needs a punch to the face /haterism.
It is annoying how he doesn’t reply to these things with a response track. That’s what hip-hop is all about.
Ok for the record iam a hip hop fan. Beans has money Jay said it 2 bentlys blah blah blah. The guy is not broke. Listen to the track thats what true rap fans do, understand the track before you writ a post. Jay could have handled it better but thats not the point. Dont talk smack to the squad that helped u build some of that fortune the R.O.C was more than just Jay Z, and beans brought the muscle and backed Jay for a long time, and beans never took a side, hell he was gonna be on G-unit lol < Platnum