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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Mafia Music&#8221; &#8211; Review Of Rick Ross&#8217; Deeper Than Rap</title>
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		<title>By: Jaycee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaycee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miami nights...

i&#039;m livin&#039; the life...

cause i&#039;m rich off COCAINE!!!

that is THE SHIT!!!!</description>
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<p>i&#8217;m livin&#8217; the life&#8230;</p>
<p>cause i&#8217;m rich off COCAINE!!!</p>
<p>that is THE SHIT!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: tai.</title>
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		<dc:creator>tai.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KLASSIC!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Justlisten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justlisten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be completely honest; Rick Ross would make a great associate producer. I&#039;m not to sure he won&#039;t out sale fifty with this effort. The production, guest appearances make this album solid. Lyrically he&#039;s redundant and mundane but so is Fifty, I believe fif will lose this battle as a result of sub par production. I haven’t listened to the entire album yet, but from what I’ve heard thus far it’s quality. I don’t and never will expect much out of Ross lyrically and won’t ever buy an album because he’s a part of what makes Hip Hop gimmicky, but between him and fifty I think Ross is going to come out on top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be completely honest; Rick Ross would make a great associate producer. I&#8217;m not to sure he won&#8217;t out sale fifty with this effort. The production, guest appearances make this album solid. Lyrically he&#8217;s redundant and mundane but so is Fifty, I believe fif will lose this battle as a result of sub par production. I haven’t listened to the entire album yet, but from what I’ve heard thus far it’s quality. I don’t and never will expect much out of Ross lyrically and won’t ever buy an album because he’s a part of what makes Hip Hop gimmicky, but between him and fifty I think Ross is going to come out on top.</p>
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		<title>By: Thashyt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thashyt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In terms of comparing this album to The Last Kiss, this is much better.  As hip hop fans, we always want the dude with the better lyrical talent to do better.  This is especially true if you were around during the mid-90&#039;s.  But in this case, while Jada is a superior lyricist, Ross is the better artist.

In my opinion, Jada&#039;s songs are all over the place.  He has added more content into his raps than before (call it the &quot;Why&quot; factor), but he has yet to really find himself musically.  Ross has a &quot;sound.&quot;  All the great artists have trademark sounds.  Ross&#039; has been sculpted with the help of J.US.T.I.C.E. League and JR Rotem on the last album, and continued to the bulk of this album.  Think &quot;The Boss,&quot; think &quot;Magnificent,&quot; think &quot;Maybach Music&quot; 1 &amp; 2.  Eminem has a sound.  Nas has a sound.  Jay-Z had a sound, reinvented himself, and created a new sound for himself.  I&#039;m not comparing them to Rosss (blasphemy!) but I am referencing to get my point across.  T.I. has a sound.  Wayne has a sound.  They might make singles that get away from their base sound, but you can always count on them to bring that sound back.  Kanye has a sound, Common has a sound.

This is why i feel artists like Fab, Jada, etc.  never made it to the next level.  They could never create their own sound.  Until them, they&#039;ll be b-list rappers.  They don&#039;t have a &quot;core&quot; sound, they just ride with whatever producers are hot at the moment.

Even 50 has a sound.  

As for this album, I feel a lot of yall are being to harsh on Ross.  This is a very important album for him and for the most part, he passed with flying colors.  

He starts the album with a bunch of the leaked stuff which builds momentum through the majority of the R&amp;B joints.  The brilliant core of this album, consisting of &quot;Mafia Music,&quot; &quot;Maybach 2,&quot; &quot;Magnificent,&quot; &quot;Yahcht Club,&quot; and &quot;Usual Suspects,&quot; starts things off.  The momentum builds through the first group of &quot;chick&quot; songs.  &quot;All I Really Want&quot; being the first of these, featuring a brilliantly off-paced beat and another solid showing by the-dream.  We get back to the core sounds with the superior, Avery Storm-assisted &quot;Rich off Cocaine.&quot;  The streak continues through the next &quot;chick&quot; song, &quot;Lay Back,&quot; featuring Robin Thicke sounding very Trey Songz-ish.  Did Songz not wanna get back in the studio with his &quot;This Is The Life&quot; collaborator?  Either way, Thicke works much better on a Rick Ross song sounding like Trey Songz, than he would sounding like himself (think 50&#039;s &quot;Follow My Lead,&quot; ick...).  Though the song has caught major flack on this site, I even enjoyed the Foxy Brown-assisted Bonne &amp; Clyde-themed &quot;Murda Mami.&quot;  I&#039;ve always felt Foxy had one of the illest voices in hip hop.  Especially for a chick.  And teaming up with Ross, who has one of the better voices in hip hop as well, they put together a cool sounding song without saying anything noteworthy.

Then we get to the filler.  Three skippers in a row starting with &quot;Gunplay,&quot; featuring Gunplay, who sounds as annoying rapping as he does on his Youtube clips.  We then move into &quot;Bossy Lady,&quot; featuring a throwaway Ne-Yo hook.  The kid was on fire on R&amp;B-fueled hip hop songs until this one teamed with his two tracks on Game&#039;s last album make it appear he&#039;s running on empty.  Finally, we get to the god-awful &quot;Face,&quot; sounding much more like a Trina song featuring Rick Ross than the other way around. 

But RAWSSS gets back on track with another superior track, &quot;Valley Of Death,&quot; perhaps his most in-depth lyrical joint on the album.  The brilliant sample works perfectly with Rawss&#039; subject manner. DJ Toomp and T.I. step out of the box with this one, not sounding anything like a typical Toomp track.  The joint also squashes any rumors of continued beef between Cliff and Ricky.  &quot;In Cold Blood&quot; and &quot;Cigar Music&quot; are two more leaked tracks that most have heard, but are still dope nonetheless.  Overall, this is not a classic, but I&#039;d have to compare it pretty evenly with Tip&#039;s Paper Trail from last year.  This is good for Ricky, as that might&#039;ve been the best hip hop album of 2008 (apologies to Q-Tip for that one).....  Okay, maybe Paper Trail was the best mainstream hip hop album of last year.  Rick continues to build on himself and is now a force to be reckoned with.  And for the first time in a long time, I&#039;m very curious to see how he sells.  This was a dope album from a heavily buzzed artist who hasn&#039;t ever sold on the levels of the current trio of hip hop kings (Kanye/Tip/Wayne), and definitely not on the past of some of the past soundscan killers (50/Jay/Em).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terms of comparing this album to The Last Kiss, this is much better.  As hip hop fans, we always want the dude with the better lyrical talent to do better.  This is especially true if you were around during the mid-90&#8242;s.  But in this case, while Jada is a superior lyricist, Ross is the better artist.</p>
<p>In my opinion, Jada&#8217;s songs are all over the place.  He has added more content into his raps than before (call it the &#8220;Why&#8221; factor), but he has yet to really find himself musically.  Ross has a &#8220;sound.&#8221;  All the great artists have trademark sounds.  Ross&#8217; has been sculpted with the help of J.US.T.I.C.E. League and JR Rotem on the last album, and continued to the bulk of this album.  Think &#8220;The Boss,&#8221; think &#8220;Magnificent,&#8221; think &#8220;Maybach Music&#8221; 1 &amp; 2.  Eminem has a sound.  Nas has a sound.  Jay-Z had a sound, reinvented himself, and created a new sound for himself.  I&#8217;m not comparing them to Rosss (blasphemy!) but I am referencing to get my point across.  T.I. has a sound.  Wayne has a sound.  They might make singles that get away from their base sound, but you can always count on them to bring that sound back.  Kanye has a sound, Common has a sound.</p>
<p>This is why i feel artists like Fab, Jada, etc.  never made it to the next level.  They could never create their own sound.  Until them, they&#8217;ll be b-list rappers.  They don&#8217;t have a &#8220;core&#8221; sound, they just ride with whatever producers are hot at the moment.</p>
<p>Even 50 has a sound.  </p>
<p>As for this album, I feel a lot of yall are being to harsh on Ross.  This is a very important album for him and for the most part, he passed with flying colors.  </p>
<p>He starts the album with a bunch of the leaked stuff which builds momentum through the majority of the R&amp;B joints.  The brilliant core of this album, consisting of &#8220;Mafia Music,&#8221; &#8220;Maybach 2,&#8221; &#8220;Magnificent,&#8221; &#8220;Yahcht Club,&#8221; and &#8220;Usual Suspects,&#8221; starts things off.  The momentum builds through the first group of &#8220;chick&#8221; songs.  &#8220;All I Really Want&#8221; being the first of these, featuring a brilliantly off-paced beat and another solid showing by the-dream.  We get back to the core sounds with the superior, Avery Storm-assisted &#8220;Rich off Cocaine.&#8221;  The streak continues through the next &#8220;chick&#8221; song, &#8220;Lay Back,&#8221; featuring Robin Thicke sounding very Trey Songz-ish.  Did Songz not wanna get back in the studio with his &#8220;This Is The Life&#8221; collaborator?  Either way, Thicke works much better on a Rick Ross song sounding like Trey Songz, than he would sounding like himself (think 50&#8242;s &#8220;Follow My Lead,&#8221; ick&#8230;).  Though the song has caught major flack on this site, I even enjoyed the Foxy Brown-assisted Bonne &amp; Clyde-themed &#8220;Murda Mami.&#8221;  I&#8217;ve always felt Foxy had one of the illest voices in hip hop.  Especially for a chick.  And teaming up with Ross, who has one of the better voices in hip hop as well, they put together a cool sounding song without saying anything noteworthy.</p>
<p>Then we get to the filler.  Three skippers in a row starting with &#8220;Gunplay,&#8221; featuring Gunplay, who sounds as annoying rapping as he does on his Youtube clips.  We then move into &#8220;Bossy Lady,&#8221; featuring a throwaway Ne-Yo hook.  The kid was on fire on R&amp;B-fueled hip hop songs until this one teamed with his two tracks on Game&#8217;s last album make it appear he&#8217;s running on empty.  Finally, we get to the god-awful &#8220;Face,&#8221; sounding much more like a Trina song featuring Rick Ross than the other way around. </p>
<p>But RAWSSS gets back on track with another superior track, &#8220;Valley Of Death,&#8221; perhaps his most in-depth lyrical joint on the album.  The brilliant sample works perfectly with Rawss&#8217; subject manner. DJ Toomp and T.I. step out of the box with this one, not sounding anything like a typical Toomp track.  The joint also squashes any rumors of continued beef between Cliff and Ricky.  &#8220;In Cold Blood&#8221; and &#8220;Cigar Music&#8221; are two more leaked tracks that most have heard, but are still dope nonetheless.  Overall, this is not a classic, but I&#8217;d have to compare it pretty evenly with Tip&#8217;s Paper Trail from last year.  This is good for Ricky, as that might&#8217;ve been the best hip hop album of 2008 (apologies to Q-Tip for that one)&#8230;..  Okay, maybe Paper Trail was the best mainstream hip hop album of last year.  Rick continues to build on himself and is now a force to be reckoned with.  And for the first time in a long time, I&#8217;m very curious to see how he sells.  This was a dope album from a heavily buzzed artist who hasn&#8217;t ever sold on the levels of the current trio of hip hop kings (Kanye/Tip/Wayne), and definitely not on the past of some of the past soundscan killers (50/Jay/Em).</p>
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		<title>By: botox</title>
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		<dc:creator>botox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ bigga, contra &amp;ynggftdandblk:
Thanks a lot.
I knew TSS would come through.</description>
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Thanks a lot.<br />
I knew TSS would come through.</p>
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		<title>By: OhExtraMoney</title>
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		<dc:creator>OhExtraMoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S-Ross didn&#039;t show enough growth on Deeper Than Rap. There isn&#039;t really any substance or topics that weren&#039;t touch on Port or Trilla. That said, his flows are on a razor sharp point and his beats knock. On a surface level what more could you ask for?. P.P.S- The reviewer was exactly on point with the trina/foxy comment, who keeps letting Trina in the booth anyway? She&#039;s the worst ever...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S-Ross didn&#8217;t show enough growth on Deeper Than Rap. There isn&#8217;t really any substance or topics that weren&#8217;t touch on Port or Trilla. That said, his flows are on a razor sharp point and his beats knock. On a surface level what more could you ask for?. P.P.S- The reviewer was exactly on point with the trina/foxy comment, who keeps letting Trina in the booth anyway? She&#8217;s the worst ever&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kcirem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kcirem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great review mate.</description>
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		<title>By: OhExtraMoney</title>
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		<dc:creator>OhExtraMoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I&#039;m an impeccable lyricist and with the RIGHT MECHANICS I can take over be clear of this..&quot;.Let&#039;s see, Jada spends nearly 2 years hyping an album called Kiss My Ass only to have it pulled and retitled The Last Kiss 5 months before it drops. Not only that, the album was pushed back at the last minute to stuff more features and formula based industry garbage on it. Come on, you really think Jada requested OJ the Juiceman for his joint or was it a let&#039;s cover all the bases manuever by the same fairies at Def Jam who changed Uncle Murda&#039;s name to Uncle M. They treated Jadakiss like a new artist with a single and a co-sign rather than an above average lyricist with an established fan base. Does Jadakiss seem like the type of artist who needs features on 90% of his album?{16 of 18 songs} &quot;Don&#039;t Start Nothin&quot;, &quot;Kiss My Ass&quot;, &quot;Hard Times&quot;, &quot;From Now Til Then&quot;, &quot;Cocaine Music feat the LOX&quot;,&quot;Be A G feat Max B &quot;and&quot;Who Run This&quot; should&#039;ve all made the cut over joints that ended up on the playlist...There I&#039;m finished. I tried to let it go but since you all won&#039;t stop bagging on Jada{who had a great 1st week ironically} i&#039;ll hold him down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m an impeccable lyricist and with the RIGHT MECHANICS I can take over be clear of this..&#8221;.Let&#8217;s see, Jada spends nearly 2 years hyping an album called Kiss My Ass only to have it pulled and retitled The Last Kiss 5 months before it drops. Not only that, the album was pushed back at the last minute to stuff more features and formula based industry garbage on it. Come on, you really think Jada requested OJ the Juiceman for his joint or was it a let&#8217;s cover all the bases manuever by the same fairies at Def Jam who changed Uncle Murda&#8217;s name to Uncle M. They treated Jadakiss like a new artist with a single and a co-sign rather than an above average lyricist with an established fan base. Does Jadakiss seem like the type of artist who needs features on 90% of his album?{16 of 18 songs} &#8220;Don&#8217;t Start Nothin&#8221;, &#8220;Kiss My Ass&#8221;, &#8220;Hard Times&#8221;, &#8220;From Now Til Then&#8221;, &#8220;Cocaine Music feat the LOX&#8221;,&#8221;Be A G feat Max B &#8220;and&#8221;Who Run This&#8221; should&#8217;ve all made the cut over joints that ended up on the playlist&#8230;There I&#8217;m finished. I tried to let it go but since you all won&#8217;t stop bagging on Jada{who had a great 1st week ironically} i&#8217;ll hold him down.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Summers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Summers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this album is better than anything fifty has dropped. The only thing on Get Rich or Die Trying was In Da Club, and his other lp&#039;s arn&#039;t even worth mentioning. Not even close. Jada dropped a good album, i agreed completley with his review. Ya Ross should have dropped the Trina track, and the foxy joint isn&#039;t the best but the album is solid other then that. Fake Shit aside he made a 4, I think. 50 hasn&#039;t been relevant in music in years. Great business man but it&#039;s time to stick with Vitamin water and video games. Ross makes better music, who cares if he had a job and lied about it. I seem to remember a hawaiian t-shirt music video before he got shot, he isn&#039;t proud of. It&#039;s pretty good

www.smissbeatzpresents.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this album is better than anything fifty has dropped. The only thing on Get Rich or Die Trying was In Da Club, and his other lp&#8217;s arn&#8217;t even worth mentioning. Not even close. Jada dropped a good album, i agreed completley with his review. Ya Ross should have dropped the Trina track, and the foxy joint isn&#8217;t the best but the album is solid other then that. Fake Shit aside he made a 4, I think. 50 hasn&#8217;t been relevant in music in years. Great business man but it&#8217;s time to stick with Vitamin water and video games. Ross makes better music, who cares if he had a job and lied about it. I seem to remember a hawaiian t-shirt music video before he got shot, he isn&#8217;t proud of. It&#8217;s pretty good</p>
<p><a href="http://www.smissbeatzpresents.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.smissbeatzpresents.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: frank fiasco</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank fiasco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note a very good album.

I think 3 stars is closer to the real mark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note a very good album.</p>
<p>I think 3 stars is closer to the real mark.</p>
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