Jigga ♥ NYC.
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Jigga ♥ NYC.
Webrip courtesy of the L.A. Leakers
Previously Posted – Jay-Z Feat. Santogold – Brooklyn (We Go Hard) (Dirty)
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wackasabitch. too many drops on it too.
fail
Uh-oh.
Has the Jigga backlash finally begun?
*Side note – Jigga was my favorite rapper alive up until “Kingdom Come.” Now, everything from him sounds the same to me.
That “Jockin’ Jay-Z” sounded so good in that concert clip that ‘Ye leaked. But once I heard the finished product?
Enh…
Perhaps an early death in Hip-Hop (God forgive me – i.e. Pac & Biggie) is not such a bad thing.
I thought there would never be a day when I would rather listen to Drake than Mr. Carter…
Yet it is the truth now.
I think the backlash is on Hip-Hop as a whole.
Something tells the younger fans (the Under 25 crowd) that the direction is for them to lead but for us in the (30 and up crowd) what we hear is no longer familiar to us. I try not to be hyper critical of music these days. I just don’t friggin buy and/or listen to it.
I place the onus for hip-hops stagnation squarely on the 24 – 30 age group. Not as a fault but as more of a lack of direction.
Now that I think on it..it is hard to think of a rapper with any measure of success that is in that age range. Hmm
@ Belve: Hey man, don’t blame me for your lack of hiphop love!!! lol!!! Nah man, there’s good music out there for you no matter what your age. Age only becomes a factor once you start reminiscing on the “Golden Era” and allow yourself to stop enjoying the music. That ain’t me my ninja, I’m always unearthing new jewels. That being said, maybe it’s time to stop listening to Jigga and start listening to some new emcees??? There’s bangaz out there kid!!!!
@ Belve — You are now officially that old dude on the park bench fixing his dentures, saying “kids these days. Back in my day.” Only you’re in cyberspace.
70′s soul and 80′s hip hop and 90′s dancehall kick ass … ain’t been no good musical movements since the turn of the century.
I’d like it without the drops.
i agree with some of the sentiment expressed in comments #3 and #4. it’s not a matter of not liking current artists or the current state of hip-hop, but just being bored with it. there’s talent out there, but not many variations on the theme. just rapping over beats and all that “throw your hands in the air” shit has indeed become something of a cliche.
as for jay – from the sound of this track – where he is in 2008 isn’t too far from where he was in 1998, and at close to 40, what is he really doing for hip-hop from a creative standpoint? some of us older cats aren’t really holding on to the notion of a “golden age” because those days will never come back. what would be ideal, however, is to see something done by the hip-hop’s elder statesmen to show that they’ve grown just as the game has grown and fans have grown with it. but instead, we get the old guard trying to compete with the new guard and not doing a very good job of it.
I’m an older head who has dope memories of the “golden era.” However, I don’t get the sour comments from this track. When Kingdom Come came out, everyone was mad at Hov because he was talking about fashion shows, G5s and driving around with Formula 1 chicks in his videos.
Now he’s sticking much closer to a more “get busy” formula and heads are saying that he isn’t bringing anything new. He tried being a grown-ass man on KC. He tried a concept album on American Gangster. Everyone keeps going off on the dude.
I’m not a Jigga stan, but what do you want from this man? Either way he loses. I’m all for moving things forward and people seem to be asking for new music and new directions, but when someone (read: Kanye, Jay, etc) go somewhere different fans get all twisted up. Then when people get back to basics its boring.
We as listeners have to be the pickiest people around – to the point that we’re seriously close minded.
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@B-Double
You are way off base.
As a true Jigga fan… I call ‘em as I see ‘em.
Just because I am a fan (I own every Jay-Z album – including KC) does not mean that I will not be real.
His ish simply does not move me as it once did.
And real talk…
When it was over (in a way) for me…
Was when he got outshined on “Swagger Like Us.”
Jay always crushed any posse cut he was on.
Once T.I. outdid him I (as a REAL fan of his) was like, “He is no longer THAT emcee.”
Unfortunately.
I just keep waiting for that OMFG track from Jay and it just hasn’t come yet, needless to say I’m still waiting…Brooklyn Go Hard was a much better track than this in my opinion
@ TRA: Agreed on Swagger like us. He really slacked, and it was disappointing. However, in many regards, I think dude catches unnecessary flack.
To a certain extent, his ability to move people has been taken away from him by his long standing tenure in the game. Kinda like how LL no longer has that new penny shine like he used to. Past a certain number of albums, regardless of quality, and reinvention, nobody really wants to hear you anymore. And I think that’s what it is, more so than anything with Jay. Even if he dropped a godly track at this point, it wouldnt give u the same chill “Streets is watching” did when it first came out.
I’ll grab my popcorn for this one.
Not b/c it’s Jigga-oriented, but b/c it’s focusing on that 24-30 age group who drank the Kool-Aid & has produced some less than inspiring music.
B-Dub is on point with his statement: we fans are too hard to please. I’m not saying that we should start enjoying wack tracks, if it sucks it sucks, but we need to learn to start looking at music like fans again and not some self-righteous, overly-opinionative, hyper-critical expert douchebags.
@Contra
Agreed.
I have thought about that.
Thanks for the reminder because it is true.
@ Contra: True dat, true dat.
So this one isn’t about Whoppers and shit?
Uhhhh Its ok. Better than the last leak. I’ll put it like this, at least he’s making contact with the ball and maybe getting the occasional double or triple, but we want to see the Home Run real bad. This is probably a single, maybe a double with an error.
^ At least he ain’t striking out like A-Rod
I’d suggest that the flow sounds energized on this cut, even if it’s boring as fuck.
Jay can fix all the beef we’ve had with him post-comeback. PICK UP A FUCKING PEN. Shit, I’ll mail one to his penthouse.
Contra… on point.
Been saying that for some time now. It’s hard to constantly keep reinventing yourself in this game….
I like the song as well.
Not earth-shattering, but certainly decent – even had a stanza in the 3rd verse where I was in my ‘oh sh*t’ mode….
I’ts easy to from an opinion when a song is supremely wack, but I think we tend to get ourselves twisted in this day an age and begin to lose sight of whether or not we want dope singles or albums?
We make reference to ‘The Golden Age”, but don’t remember we weren’t having 6 and 7 songs leaked before the album dropped. The importance of context and sequencing can not be understated.
I’m honestly sick of hearing his voice. And I don’t mean any malice with that, but there are newer voices out there…fresher ones, and these are the people who should be leading hip-hop into the future. but what becomes of jay then? if you rap, you rap…finding another lane is often easier said than done.
Foxy’s BK Anthem > Hov’s BK Anthem
*smh*
And cats love to hate everything nowadays. It’s almost more fun to shit on something then to actually enjoy it. Sounds like a buncha grumpy old men. Now this song is kinda “Meh” but it sounds more like a leftover from the “Notorious” soundtrack then an official song from “The Blueprint 3″.
@ Real Anon
I see your point, and to a certain extent I agree with you. There is nothing that compare with Jigga circa 1996-2000. A lot of rewind moments, to be sure I still love “Come and Get Me” to death. But I guess I’m just saying that the guy can’t go backwards. He can’t headline Glastonbury with an LP of “Imaginary Player” type joints. Is that a good thing? I don’t know. But that’s where we are.
I’m not saying that I like new Jigga better – but give me ONE dude in the game that many albums deep who can hold his own on something like Swagger.
I think it is unrealistic to think Jay can be THAT dude forever. That’s why Rakim wasn’t on Swagger and why Big Daddy Kane has no album coming out. I give Jay props that he can bang out an album 13 years in and still have cats like you and me debating whether he IS that dude.
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I think when new names pop up, people are so quick to dismiss them. “He’s an internet rapper” “he’s on that bullshit” “what the fuck is he talking about?”.
Wafeek. Charles Hamilton. Wale. Mikkey. Drake. Curren$y. B.o.B. I can name a slew that folks overlook for whatever reasons. Some of these cats are the ones right behind your Kanye’s & Wayne’s (but more grounded in their approach) that can lead Hip-Hop to some next shit.
A lot of what this hip-hop braggadocios stuff revolves around is having a rapper/MC show and prove, and tell you why he/she is just as cool, or cooler, more knowledgeable, fly or flyer than you, and herein lies the dilemma….
A cat like Jay (or pick any older artist)….
Shown, proved, been there done that, bought the T-shirt…..but how many ways can he tell you that and still sound ‘fresh’….especially to an older cat.
A younger cat heard their older folks listening to Jay since they can remember, and they want their own thing. Nothing wrong with that to an extent.
Jay at 30+ can’t come out in too many pairs of skinny jeans or he winds up looking like he’s trying too hard.
Jay is stale by association.
A young MC can reinvent the wheel to a younger listener and get all the greatest talk circulating (Wayne?………….any of the cats Gotty mentioned), but he has to be THAT DUDE, and be on some substantial next sh*t for an older cat to even listen, or take him the least bit seriously…
(ie, “lil’ homey, I got BILLS, a MORTGAGE, RELATIONSHIP issues….. What the fcuk you gon’ tell me?”)
@ Oh Wee: Good point, but sometimes a younger emcee just spits some dope shit that you can’t front on, regardless if you can relate or not. Like Wale for example; I’ve never been to DC or done any of the stuff he’s spit about but he makes it exciting and interesting to listen to.
@ Gotty.
Totally on point. I don’t know how many times I’ve heard “Yeah, but he only released a mixtape” and I’m saying “True, but that mixtape is dope.”
Since when did it become important to be on a major and move numbers? Is that how we’re judging things now? As Joe Buddens said: “50 made people started looking at the numbers.” We need to get off that.
Jay has a fuckin’ LiveNation’s 10 albums/years Deal after BP3′s 2009 ! so let we see if he’s still THAT dude for the next five!!/ten?! years …
if 30 iz the new 20, 40 is the new 30 ! Oww
SO jay’s 30 was Great !!! thus let we dream …
“Jockin’ Jay-Z” wore on me. Now when I hear it, I automatically start doing the Wop lol
I thought “Jockin…” was dope from the jump. That track is crazy. Same with “Brooklyn (Go Hard)”. Stupid. I think there’s an anti-New York sentiment cause no matter how hot a record coming outta NY is in NY, cats still try & clown.
that title took me back to foxy brown’s joint “bk anthem” .. that shyt used to go fuckin hard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSAAZhs2p8E
foxys version
Numbers aren’t what make major label releases so important. They’re like an even playing field when it comes to comparing albums across eras.
Mixtapes weren’t what they are now w/ artists releasing entire sets of fresh material all the time. I’ll never disregard a mixtape from being good – becasue quality is quality. But if you bring up mixtapes against the best of retail release it’s two different arenas in my opinion.
Jockin’ Jay-Z > Brooklyn (Go Hard) > BK Anthem
I like the first two & will wait for one w/o drops to judge the other.
Based on the the shout out to B.I.G., I figured this was something off the movie soundtrack.
In terms of relevance, I think we (HipHop in general) let age influence what we like and what we don’t like far too often.
exactly. i know i’m guilty of it, but a lot of times, it isn’t them (the artist). it’s us (the fans). age changes tastes, or at least it should.
fulfillingness stevie wonder wasn’t making the same music that fingertips stevie wonder was, so when i hear a rapper doing the same thing he/she was doing 5, 10, 15 years ago, it sounds stale. hell, it is stale, but to a newer generation, it is what is. and if it sells, then why change?
Good points, but a whole of people seem to be making a decision based on the age of the artist i.e. Who is this kid (literally)? Or “why is the old ass dude still rapping?”
One other thing is, we treat the music as if it is a disposable razor. How many classic HipHop stations are there on the public airwaves as oppossed to classic rock. Granted, one art form has been around a lot longer than the other, but is that a good enough reason/excuse?
^good point.
I blame the top 4 major record labels that look for, market, one-hit wonders instead of spending more time breeding quality entertainers/performers. basically the market has become saturated in a variety of genres.
As much as I respect Hov and what’s he’s done for the game I never thought of him as an “ill lyricist”.. Maybe I have it all wrong when people speak of him as THAT DUDE.. I just never saw true musical progress from him.. No need to mention any other MC’s but I can think of many MC’s that MOVED me when I listned/listen to them.. This is yet another track that only continues to prove that hey “I wasn’t a hater/crazy after all for not being on Jay’s jock”..
I wonder if Reasonable Doubt’s original lack of success had anything to do with how he went about his career.
I actually like this joint…. it’s definitely not the best he can do, but at the same time, he’s done worst. Anyone that says that Jigga fell of around the time of Kingdom Come is buggin’. Reference: American Gangster = 5 cigs easily.
Fuck all the hating and enjoy music. Jay-Z has been in the game too long to be reinventing anything. We all should be lucky dude still feels like rhyming with all the bullshit that gets airplay… especially when all of the folks that all of his haters wanna hear can’t get passed corporate “red-tape” in order to put an album out.
Enjoy this until your “new” favorite rapper puts out a full-length effort.
Hov can’t be Big Pimpin’ forever. Artists Change Grow and Evolve. I mean dude went from gettin’ blown by Superhead (I’ll never call her Karrine) to Marrying Beyonce.
That right there should be enough
But he still makes dope songs
This track is obviously for the B.I.G. movie(or a leftover) which means he’s going for a 90s feel, Hip hop fan’s memory seem to be insanely short a couple weeks ago we all loved “History” now we back to say “he fell off”.
^^^
Thank you.
“a couple weeks ago we all loved ‘History’ now we back to say ‘he fell off’.”
Not I said TRA.
I stand firm in my opinion.