Words By Patrick M.
Graphics By P.
Guns N’ Roses, or what’s left of them, will release Chinese Democracy this year, an album more than 17 years in the making. There was a time, before Autotune, when GNR represented the best music had to offer. Following 1987′s Appetite For Destruction they could legitimately claim to be the biggest rock stars in the world. Perhaps enjoying the mountaintop a little too much, the band took four years to follow up with the excessive, erratic (and admittedly enjoyable) Use Your Illusion I and II. But while taking their time dawdling at the top, music passed GNR by. A week after Use Your Illusion‘s release, Nirvana came out with Nevermind and suddenly the coolest guys on the block, Axl and Slash, were out-of-touch douchebags.
GNR’s rapid decline was not so much a product of their own music as it was the fact they represented a musical era that sucked balls. Like other art forms, music can be broken into periods. Early innovation and rebellion against the status quo spawns classic material that resets standards. Then, success and imitation breed stagnation and self-inflated worth, until the next generation comes along and kicks the previous movement squarely in the nuts, deflating it forever. GNR just happened to come at the end of an arc and had to take the brunt of the nut shot.
Hip-Hop is in the midst of a bubble boom the likes of which haven’t been seen since rock music in the ’60s and early ’70s, mostly because it’s so fucking awesome. Depending on whether you put the born date of Hip-Hop’s dominance at The Chronic or Raising Hell, its been nearly two full decades at the top. And the few times it has looked like it’s been about to fall off (1999-2000) a push of energy has come in that kept the good times rolling (the rise of the South.)
But, as with our economy, I think the good times are coming to an end. Compare the albums of 2008 to those covered in our 1998 Week; the overall quality isn’t even close. To quote my friend, whose idea I am totally biting for this post: “Hip-Hop has entered its hair metal phase.” Yessir. I’m pretty sure the lead track off Tha Carter IV will be called “Pour Some Sugar on Me.”
That’s not to say there were no good songs released in the late ’80s (as with Hip-Hop in 2008.) It’s just that back then, as now, the artists were more concerned with what it means to be a star, rather than what it meant to make good music. Tell me how much of Hip-Hop in 2008: how albums are put together, how artists are marketed, how fans talk about the game. All of these things are focused on forwarding the popularity of artists or of managing a “brand” like Jay-Z or the self-proclaimed “Best Rapper Alive.” How much of Hip-Hop is focused on making great songs? The balance is totally fucking off.
So who is Hip-Hop’s GNR in 2008? I’d venture to pick the self-proclaimed Michael Jordan, Mr. Kanye West. Like GNR, he’s responsible for the best music of a subpar era. He’s also demonstrated a similar ability to celebrate himself. Furthermore, like Axl Rose on “November Rain,” he now evidently believes that he’s a serious singer with serious problems. But if you’ve spent the last four years talking yourself up as the biggest star in the world, are fans going to be able to empathize when you try to claim you need a hug too? How sorry are we supposed to feel for the guy sitting in first class?
He’d better hope that MC Kurt Cobain isn’t brooding in coach.
You can hear Chinese Democracy in full, now streaming via Guns & Roses MySpace, www.myspace.com/gunsnroses.
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Chinese Democracy lives up to the hype. Definitely the rock album of the year.
I’m pretty sure the lead track off Tha Carter IV will be called “Pour Some Sugar on Me.”
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…I disagree. It’ll be named “Smear syrup on my chest”. ..the chopped and screwed version will go plat.
“Smear syrup on my chest…
syrup syrup on my chest.”
GNR baby!
heard 2/3 of it today….the sonic quality is there!
LOL @ the dude that got caught streaming the album on his blog a whiel ago…he got spanked and I think his blog was put on timeout, he might’ve had some penalties to pay too…
…last night I downloaded the shit for free…hahahaha
great write-up
GNR is soo 1996… its a lets see if anyone still cares in 4 weeks
People will care cause it’s actually a great album.
LOL @ the dude that got caught streaming the album on his blog a whiel ago…he got spanked and I think his blog was put on timeout, he might’ve had some penalties to pay too…
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Somebody was asking (and has been asking) if anybody had a link.
Nobody replies lol.
All that had to do was make an example out of one lol.
^ that’s the kiss of death right thurr…GNR & that short light-skinned Jehovah’s Witness from Minnesota
“He’d better hope that MC Kurt Cobain isn’t brooding in coach.”
He is. And his name is Johnson Barnes.
As much as I liked Slash as a player, i thought GNR was beyond overrated. They were like the angry suburbanite kid who bitches about suburban life and how lame it is but won’t get his crap together to move anywhere else.
GNR made slightly angrier, marginally more thoughtful music than say, Poison or Bon Jovi. Metallica kicked GNR’s ass on energy, perspective and content with every release. And where bands like Quiet Riot were in on the “too hard to be a hairband” joke the industry was playing, they made better more honest music than GNR cuz they had fun with it and just took it for what it was.
In short, GNR were douchebags-in-training-bras… Nirvana just held up a mirror to ‘em and went, “hey douche, wanna see something funny?”
So do we all get a free Doctor Pepper now?
Appetite For Destruction, stone cold classic!
Fucking fantastic write-up, Pat.
Kudos!
The other weekend they showed one of those top 100 songs from the 80s on there… it made me remember how much fun a lot of that pop rock was.
Say what you want about Poison, Def Leppard, Van Halen, Twisted Sister, etc… but them white boys knew how to party with guitars. GNR just seemed kinda mad about nuthin’.
While once you got past Nirvana and couple other bands, all those alt/grungy/serious pasty folks was depressed and pissy over nuthin’. most of that music’s so hard to listen to now… all you can think is “dude get an umbrella, read a bible and lighten up. the rain’ll pass, playa. i promise.”
“GNR just seemed kinda mad about nuthin’.”
chris? haha
GNR just seemed kinda mad about nuthin’.
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That seems kinda dismissive.
Well done – dope piece!
Artist: Simply Red
Title: 25 (The Greatest Hits)
Label: Simplyred.com
Genre: Pop
Bitrate: 186kbit av.
Time: 01:38:59
Size: 139.15 mb
Rip Date: 2008-11-06
Str Date: 2008-11-17
DISC 1:
1. Sunrise 3:19
2. Stars 4:08
3. A New Flame 3:57
4. Holding Back The Years 4:11
5. It’s Only Love 3:52
6. The Right Thing 4:22
7. Your Mirror 4:04
8. For Your Babies 4:17
9. The Air That I Breathe 4:21
10. Night Nurse 3:54
11. Ain’t That A Lot Of Love 3:53
12. Fake 3:46
13. Ev’ry Time We Say Goodbye 3:06
DISC 2:
1. You’ve Got It 3:57
2. Say You Love Me 3:44
3. So Not Over You 3:37
4. Angel 4:00
5. Never Never Love 4:07
6. Home 3:33
7. You Make Me Feel Brand New 5:04
8. Something Got Me Started 3:59
9. Money’s Too Tight (To Mention) 4:29
10. Fairground 4:26
11. If You Don’t Know Me By Now 3:26
12. Go Now 3:27
Blu, or my man Olubowale Victor Akintimehin
i’m putting $700 billion of bank bailout money on OluboWALE to be the phuture of hip hop.
Fuck me…how sick is that graphic?
gnr never completely fell off, and so did the other hair metal bands, nevermind was out for a good 8-10 months before it blew up, then those metal bands just completely phased out in a couple years due to timing (“this aint the 80′s no more”)…its just in retrospect, ppl liked to think that…kind of how ppl will see this yr as all about hipster rap or what not even though jada, g-unit dropped albums and some of em sold decently well….i do agree with the hip-hop part tho, somewhere out there needs to wake up and realize someone needs to fix it…good post
Great piece, Pat.
To continue your comparison, I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that the Nirvana in this case is the hipster rap movement (actually, I need to come up with a better category, because I’m not just talking about those tight pant wearing dudes). I know TSS heads are going to disagree, but I think dudes like Kidz (both in the Hall and Cool), Charles Hamilton and even Kanye are making some of the most creative music out there.
I’m calling them Native Tongues 2.0 – they are conscious and bring a new sensibility on being real to who THEY are, rather than creating a false street/thug image as their public personas. That’s not to take anything from trap stars like Jeezy, but I don’t think anyone can say he’s bringing anything new to the table creatively.
I know people clown on backpackers/hipsters, etc because of their pink polos and tight pants, but it goes way beyond that. These dudes created their own lane. That’s what Nirvana did – they didn’t then beat GnR at their own game, they changed what the game was.
I think these guys have redefined or refined what a rap album is going forward in terms of creativity, concepts, overall sound and structure. Sure, like grunge, some of it is straight garbage. But the true artists are moving the game forward.
You can all now gasp in horror.
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–ac/dc’s album was better
“How sorry are we supposed to feel for the guy sitting in first class?”
–”dad crack a joke all the kids laugh/but i couldn’t hear em all the way in first class”©welcome to heartbreak
Just listened to the new kanye….what a piece of shit. The production is occasionally interesting, only to get entirely too monotonous. Thats the nicest thing I can say. I would have expected him to make something more like the new 88 keys album at this point, if you asked me 5 years ago what kanye might sound like. The only thing left for kanye is a collabo w/ Burt Bacharach….Why do birds suddenly appear every time I am near….Hoes long to be…close to me. That shit is kitschy schlock!(sorry, had to get my yiddish on to describe my true feelings) I think he stopped buying expensive samples, so he could focus his dough on his purse game. Guns n Roses??? Fuck that too….I hope the next Nirvana of this rap shit can write a fucking song, Patrick is right, songwriting is the last priority of most Rappers these days. Hip Hop went from disposable to flushable and septic tank friendly, not that there isn’t some real shit clogging drains.
Kanye west is responsible for making some of the best music of the recent “hair band” era. But he too is responsible for what is now becoming the 90′s of rock, as explained above in the post. Rock changed to november rain and then to the rest of the fuckin 90′s. Hip hop might go the same way. It inevitably is set up for a major decline; Kanye is just the beginning. I think flashy shiny suits are about to be multiplied by ten. Wayne Carter is a perfect example; fuck him. Biggie, like the Stones and zepplin pioneered a new era for hip hop. He took what as already there and made it his own, just like many of the other great artists pf hip hop; Jay-Z to a lesser extent. If our music is to be saved an artist like biggie,or tupac or someone creative who does focus on the music and less so on the money needs to come forth. This person needs to make the music their own. Nirvana did this and changed the whole fuckin game of rock in the 90′s; unfortunately it was for the worse thereafter. I am so sick of hearing hip hop that is just some dumb motherfucker rapping over some shitty beat, sometimes not even in a musical fashion. Wayne is a perfect example of this. I want somethin new from this music, but I simply cant create it. I dont make music, but for those who do, it is time for them to make this music their own and interesting again.
^^ Perfect example of this was posted this week in regards to biggie and bone thugs. This song is not the similar pattern of garbage rap that we hear today it is still ahead of its time in that it could never be reproduced, quality wise by an emcee – biggie’s verse. Is Asher roth gonna come and spit a verse like biggie does? NO FUCKING WAY!!!. I am not even that big of a biggie supporter but I took TSS’s advice this week and listened to Notorious – bone thugs and it brought back so many good memories of just loving this shit.
Wale is the best thing out right now along with an honourable mention to young chris and a few others. Fuck rap for what it is. Definitely fuck Wayne he is garbage and I did like carter 1 and maybe even 2 but beyond that he and his army of faggots are trying to ruin music that doest need to be ruined more than it is.
Fuck the new kanye. I havent even heard it yet except what has been put up here. I am usually first in line to get a ride on kanye’s D, but this time I dont even care. Fuck him and his problems. Just go back to that chick say I’m sorry and tap that fuckin ass all night. She would love to have you back. I dont care about Kanye’s love problem at all, especially a whole cd dedicated to one girl.
^^^ Pause
amen.
n00b had some ish to get out didn’t he
Fuck y’all, the new Kanye is dope. If you don’t like it, then don’t buy it. Your ass DOWNLOADED it so that’s saying a lot now, huh??? Fuck outta here.
anyone got a link on the new GnR?
New CD is dope. Nuff said.
GNR=6 records in 20 years
nirvana= 3 in 5
Kanye= 5 in 6 + countless guest spots and production credits
Dr dre= Led zepellin+Black sabbath
Nas=metallica
Ludacris: Van Halen
Common: Pearl Jam
Jay z= bon Jovi
Puff daddy= Poison+ the jonas brothers
Kanye: nirvana+ the clash+ u2
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