Gotty,
For that “memory section” or whatever you call it, what about that post one of you wrote one or two years ago about Weezy’s rap schemes complexity (drought 3 period or so), etc. Just to remember to everybody how some of us used to ride wee-wee’s dick in the times, maybe for some good reasons.
Random-ass TSS reader.
Word up. Lil Wayne Week. This piece said keyboards ablaze.
Words by Drew RickettsOriginally Posted On 4.2.07
Months ago, when Lil Wayne made the claim that he was the “best rapper alive” and (gasp) better than Hov, Hip-Hop fans deemed his declaration brash andspurious. It is incumbent upon the true hip hop scholars to examine his claim because, despite initial reactions, he might be right. Of course, no argument would be complete without defining the conditions for “best” rap and seeking orientation in this growing debate.
Harris Publications columnist Billy Sunday at XXLmag.com has taken up the supercilious position that Wayne is spitting nonsense raps, somehow not worth considering because they are playful and simply rhythmic. Even I was hesitant to give Weezy F. his much-deserved due as “best” because I saw him falling short by the “classic album” milestone I hold so dear. All that aside, Wayne is the best and probably most effective with the form for several reasons.
The first reason for his superiority is his attention to rhythmic pattern and enunciation. Where Billy Sunday views this as an accidental, haphazard choice of flow, I view it as a convicted, inspired turn of words to engage the listener with the beat.
The second reason for his primacy is his attention to idiom: Wayne has grasped how to use the English language for more than a punchline or two — he has defined his own way of speaking and translating common phrases into beautiful music.
The third reason for his eminence is more nebulous but perhaps the most important…Wayne follows in the black vernacular tradition set forth by emcees, griots, narrators and pimps before him. Although modern media would have us believe that black singers and black rappers share no common ground, there is a clear nexus of language and messaging that goes overlooked. Black poets, writers and emcees often use double-metaphors meant to sound casual on first listen but that hold deeper meaning on cross-examination. Jay-Z, for instance, is a master at this. He may say the words in a direct manner but the meanings abound, and this is a purposeful device only employed by virtuosos of language. In a sense, none of Weezy’s words are wasted because he packs each with significance.
In order to properly delineate this argument, I’m using a few of Wayne’s potent “freestyle” and “light” works to underscore how much the “free-form” definition does not apply in his case. First though, I want to return to this definition of “best.” The best rapper must fit a few criteria to claim this position. He must have both a signature flow and that models a recognizable format. In this way, he can be malleable to the expectations of the current era and outlast time by placing his stamp on any era in which he resides. Lil Wayne’s “Fireman” exemplifies his ability to experiment with esoteric and pedestrian flows (it’s a single after all) and surprisingly reaches transcendent heights of lyricism. The third verse especially accentuates his faculty for taking a hidden analogy and bringing it to light almost brilliantly. In it he evokes the analogy of being a complete circle — or cipher, if you will — by drawing on seemingly simple puns:
Ridin’ by myself well really not really
So heavy in the trunk make the car pop-a-wheelie
Who? Weezy Baby or call me Young Baby
My money 360, you only 180
After stripping away the obvious subject matter of cars, girls. jewelry et. al. the circle implied with the words “wheelie” and “360″ is abstract but ever-present. Later in the verse, he explains why he’s “ballin’” (also a circle) by saying he’s “ballin’ by nature” and “addicted to the game like Jordan and Peyton.” The recognizable device of comparing balling to basketball players is meant to lure the casual listener into the rhythm of the song, while the layered circle analogy has been thoroughly dominating the verse. To digress a bit, Nas’s “Hate Me Now” follows a similar form. Naysayers have often lamented this period of Nas’s career for its dearth of introspection or confusing contradictions. “Hate Me Now,” however, suggests that even in making a popular song, a true emcee has admirable awareness of how to conceal his pain and consternation at being a slave to form. Ostensibly the song “Hate Me Now” is about cars-girls-jewelry yet again but the first verse here also defies the topic for deeper stuff:
Expandin more to the big screen, Bill Gates dreams
But it seems you’d rather see me in jail with state greens
Want me off the scene fast, but good things last
like your favorite MC still makin some mean cash
Nas tries to explore the meaning of being good and being accepted by a wide range of people, the ultimate artist dilemma. In the last verse, he departs completely from the real to explain his separatism. The point is that the best emcees have to show their artfulness in rhyme and rhythm using the under-appreciated tools of subtlety. Lil Wayne does it to a tee on “Fireman.”
Wayne also challenges what a rhyme is by twisting syllables for personal use. He has used this as a signature of his style, refusing to submit to standard enunciation if it is detrimental to his rhythm. On “Diamonds on My Damn Chain” (from The Greatest Rapper Alive) his verse is in stark contrast to Fab’s because he is able to take the rhymes ‘I’m’ and ‘mind’ and ‘time’ and convert them with his Southern drawl into ‘name,’ ‘chain,’ ‘thang’ and astoundingly ‘domain.’ The reading here will lose something in translation so I recommend downloading the track to support this study. Again, this twist of accent is no longer accidental when it recurs across freestyle after freestyle. It is almost as if Wayne has realized how much conventional words rhyme only to a certain extent and wants to go well beyond those confines. Innovation is the only solution.
Similarly, among all the “getting brains” similes and “fast car” metaphors are incredibly well-crafted comparisons that elude casual listeners. I’ve listed a few here just from the Greatest Rapper Alive mixtape that illustrate Wayne’s ability to string together a group of metaphors for emphasis:
*Note a true metaphor equates one object to another through the vehicle of comparison.
1. On the “Dead Presidents” remix: ‘No I never choke but I strangle beats/n’ I am just a player in this game we be/so go blame the referee/don’t complain to me…’
2. On “Come Test Us” feat. Charli Baltimore: ‘Young Carter: I’m harder than a cooked quarter / bitch I’m bubblin’ like shook water…’ [simile here but potent image all the same]
Later: ‘I am that n*gga so follow my demonstration/goddamnit I’m in the building, get ready for renovation…’
3. On “Grew Up A Screw Up” freestyle: ‘Deez muddafuckas is slippin’ they betta hold on/ Y’all trippin’ like Cedric and Solange/I flow like I’m head-less NO MIND / I could say DON’T RHYME and it’s gon RHYME…”
4. On “Pump That Bass” freestyle: “Sittin’ in the strip club, never get a boner/only get hard for ‘D’OH!’ I’m Homer/and you’re a simp, son…
5. On “Good Girl Gone Bad” with Devin the Dude: ‘It just eats me up like the Barbecue from Luther’s/in the morning with the shooters/on the corner with the boosters/she’s a fresh CUT and they’re on her like sutures…’
So when Billy Sunday says things like: ‘Lil’ Wayne tries his best to construct a few verses with polysyllabic terms early in the song. Like any nickel and dime emcee he immediately proves that he should stay in the shallow end of the pool instead of trying to come into the deep water’ I have a hard time believing he’s even willing to listen to the substance in these colorful rhymes. If this is nickel-and-diming, what’s emceeing?
It behooves us as listeners to explore when we want to find. Look past the imagery to see the image.


Look, I love Hip Hop, rap, whatever you wanna call it. I liked Little Wayne’s dedication 2 and certain track of the carter 2. Still he is nowhere near being the best. This music is not about vomiting things that rhyme onto a track. It is about telling a story or using your words to open peoples mind. “I must be a Lakers fan, yellow bottle yellow bottle, purple bag purple bag” does not put you in that category. The simple fact that sayings like that come out of his mouth eliminate him from this argument. I agree the boy is clever and nice with the flow. So what. Just because Melo is more athletic, scores more, and is much flashier than an Oscar Robertson or even a Ron Artest does not mean he is a better basketball player than either. It means in a one on one game he might win. But its not about one thing. Its the whole package. While Weezy may be coming out with the most stuff and flows the same on every song and it doesnt get old to the majority of people; this does not make him the best. While I believe that Cormega, AZ, T.I., Common, Lupe, et. all is better than him, I will give it to his passionate supporters that he is the best out now. But honestly. Comparing him to a Rakim or a Big Daddy Kane makes me want to kick down your door and put something in your face and ask you if you really believe it or you just love the hype. And if you still believe that he is the best then Id have to pull the trigger just to erase some of this blind stupidity and cult following that people love to do today. BE AN INDIVIDUAL
Just one more point…This is like the current argument that Deron Williams is better than Chris Paul…or even better…this is like in ’92 when these clowns were trying to compare Clyde Drexler to Michael Jordan. You all make me laugh
Comparing him to a Rakim or a Big Daddy Kane makes me want to kick down your door
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I think once people realize that we won’t be getting anyone who raps anywhere near like Rakim & BDK, they’ll start to see the value in some of what we have in front of us.
Is that Wayne? Not to me. But still, there’s some talented cats right here, right now.
Glad you are amused lol.
Oh I agree. I dont want yall thinkin of me as a Wayne hater…Quite the opposite. I just appreciate the classics. And i know wayne is nice. But if he isnt as good as the rappers of old then he just isnt. People always want to say that someone from their generation is the best. For my generation it was Jay Biggie Nas Pac. But honestly. I love them. They dont compare. Like you said. There will be nothing like it. We can appreciate him for what he does and how good he is, but we must accept that sometimes the best is already out or has yet to come.
Oh I agree. I dont want yall thinkin of me as a Wayne hater…Quite the opposite. I just appreciate the classics. And i know wayne is nice. But if he isnt as good as the rappers of old then he just isnt. People always want to say that someone from their generation is the best. For my generation it was Jay Biggie Nas Pac. But honestly. I love them. They dont compare. Like you said. There will be nothing like it. We can appreciate him for what he does and how good he is, but we must accept that sometimes the best is already out or has yet to come.
@ Tyler, Good words hommie. I’ve never felt the need to hate on youngin, but it is what it is. He’s nice but people try too too hard to make something that they emotionally feel currently, be on the level of something they know actually. Like in ’03 when 50 kept being compared to 2pac, look at em now. You gotta remember Jay has the rank that he has because he’s been at that “cumming” point throughout 90% of his career. You gotta respect that all day
I figured this article would be buried in a shallow grave somewhere lol.
Weezy is one of the nicest out…when he wants to be. I think all the people declaring him best rapper alive has made Weezy F. complacent. Not to mention his daily intake of promethazine. Still, on an off day, as nonsensical as he tends to be, dude is liable to kick some ish that’ll put most of these rappers to shame. Hopefully this little tit for tat he’s starting with Fif will wake the animal from the doldrums.
What up, Gotty! Happy Turkey Day, TSS!!
I know I’m mad late, but I had to make the rounds, you know, stop at every body’s crib to grab a plate lol. Just got in & I’m 6 plates deep, so I should be good for a couple lol.
Yessir. I love Jay and I think that there is the argument out there that he could be the best, but for me he doesnt do it. The main reason Im putting Jay as just a top five and not number 1 is that he completely snags rakim, ugk, outkast, etc. of their lines. He makes them his own like Wayne does with his, but they still arent original ideas. Thats why nobody in my book will ever compare with Big Daddy Kane and Rakim…they werent half stepping and were paid in full long before that was the “cool” thing. The only argument I can think of now is whose the best between them…
Oh and that “all about a dollar” thing up on the right side of the screen….i havent heard the song so if i am wrong please please correct me cuz i hate when people do what im about to do…but seriously, have we already forgotten Jay Z…”Im about a dollar what the fuck is 50 cent”
Big Daddy Kane and Rakim are among the best…of their era. We’re in ’08 homie. How can you compare the cats from the past with cats who’ve taken their styles & improved upon them. They may have layed the foundation & they get props for that, but Kane vs. Jay? Rakim vs. Nas? I’m not sure either Kane or Rakim coulda served G Rap, let alone today’s illest. If they were so ill, where are those new records? Longevity defines greatness.
i can’t believe someone spent some intellectual time decyphering the most horrible mind boggling rapper ever to be brought to peoples commercially owned attention. With the amount of rappers putting thoughts into what they say and how it fits the beats they rap on, wayne shouldn’t be mentioned by anyone other than retarded elementary school dropouts.
this article lost me
@ampgeez…i see your point. they proved their mettle though. My whole thing is why should they come out with stuff if nothing compares to their music. Lets be honest…most people wouldnt buy it cuz the lyrics are way over their head. Also they wouldnt be told by mtv and bet to buy it. All people see is little wayne and 50 cent so that all the unimaginative, narrow minded children will buy the big record labels music.
@ampgeez…And just cuz its 2008 doesnt mean that that ’70 Charger isnt as good as the new one…in fact, it is now worth more cuz they dont do it like they used to. The fact that that is part of your argument kinda upsets me. True music is timeless. When we are talking about them 20 years from now we will see if wayne is like them…or digital underground.
I accept true music is timeless & both Kane & Rakim have classic music under their belts, but rap has evolved as an artform & Wayne is just as skilled as them. Now, he may not make songs in the same vein as them & he may not be held in as high regard among “purists”, but to say that Wayne is less talented, I’d have to disagree. Dude’s been doing this since 13 & the progression in his music is evident. Will he go down as one of the all time greats? Prolly not, but it’s moreso due to a lack of focus then a lack of talent.
Also the greatest thing about hip hop is that it is so individualistic. To each his own. I know plenty of people that agree with me and plenty of people who feel strongly enough about little wayne that they tried to fight me over it. However you feel is how you feel and you are right for that. Its up to each to decide whether they are willing to look foolish in the eyes of some to defend their beliefs. While im not willing to fight like some people, i dont mind people thinking im stuck in the past or cant pick up on the new hip hop only cuz i know that isnt the case. And as a white boy who bounced from area to urrea in maryland and california as a kid, im used to people judging me as a wigger or as misguided; so someone telling me my musical selection isnt as good as theirs is just another chance to spark an enlightening conversation. I enjoy seeing all sides of the argument. I hope that is why others are on here…not to hate on wayne, other rappers, and people posting.
@ampgeez….thank you…i definitly can get behind that. after listening to dedication 2 i was on the bandwagon, but it seems like he just stop trying. And im not trying to say he isnt good. I hated lollipop and his other songs like that, but it doesnt mean he aint one of the sickest around now…i just think its a little absurd to mention him as the best……
“lil wayne likes lollipops,
50? The whole candy shop.
Meanwhile T.I.’s paper trail got him on D Block.
Soulja Boy can tell ‘em
Whatever the fuck he want
Cuz Im zonin to Mega
As soon as I hit this blunt…”
A little snippet from yours truely. Ima go hit this big shit, hopefully yall will be back here when i return for some more discussion. Its been enlightening fellas.
I’m not saying you have bad tase in music, fam. I mean, you can do alot worse then Kane & Rakim Allah. I just don’t think people give Wayne a shot. The Weezy backlash came so fast & furious, I don’t think cats really listen to dude. While his antics may put people off I don’t see how anyone can listen to his body of work & not view dude as one of the best doing it right now. I rarely “ooh & ahh” over verses these days, but there are a handfull of MC’s that always have a couple of standout bars & Wayne is one of em.
preaching to the choir…it seems like people cant take a middle ground on him…all that shows is he has the talent…haters hate…it is what it is. i try to bring a reasonable side of the argument to light…not just that he sucks…cuz that aint true….see yall in ohhh…20 to 30…rockin out to long live the kane thanks to TSS…its amazing how when you play a cd over and over it stops working…i mean i know my orignal burn aint scratched cuz it dont leave the rotation…
Co-Sign on Mega Montana too. Prolly the most slept on lyricist in the last 10 years.
wow…thats refreshing. You the first person i heard say that. Ive heard “he aight” or ive found people that aint heard him who now swear by him. But i gotta agree…he one of those cats i ooh and ahh at those bars. only his ohh and ahh’s come after you think about what you just heard
He showed glimpses of elite level talent for a while (C2, D3 & most of his work around 2006), but he has regressed as a rapper at this point. It’s easy to draw a line at the point where he stopped writing his lyrics and started with that “I want to be Jay-Z to a T.” Ever since he’s developed from a stylistic/experimental perspective (flows/auto-tune) and this has made him a star, but his actual MC-ing skill has suffered as a result and this saddens me because I thought he was about to take the next step and differentiate himself from the morass of Southern MCs in the game today.
At his best, he was an interesting mix of Ghost, Jay-Z & Redman without the emotional depth of the first two, but at this point, he’s just an over-hyped and glorified version of Busta or Ludacris, both of whom happen to be better than him at the moment. I haven’t heard a decent Wayne verse in a LOOOOOOONG time. 3-Peat on C3 came close, but that’s about it.
A Millie was a monster. The beat got alot of the credit, but no one, on the millions of remixes that followed it, came close to touching Wayne’s version (even though Corey Gunz damn near outshines him on the OG).
Wayne needs some Tone (& Poke) in his life
Real Rap is another monster & also shows the “emotional depth” that he’s supposed to be lacking.
“I had to make the rounds, you know, stop at every body’s crib to grab a plate lol. Just got in & I’m 6 plates deep”
^ greedy
Honestly, and it feels wierd to say this, but I like Wale’s version of A Milli. Well spoken, or I guess written, though Deen.
^ lol. Suffering from the itis as we speak
good eatin’ y’all, good eatin’
that’s what it’s all about
love to get my tryptophan on
Man, I had three different places to go tonight…Mothers, Fathers, and Girls parents…and ill be damned if I wasnt already hurting after just one place, I think I blacked out while I was eating my third dinner by 7. Happy Thanksgiving to all, gotta love this holiday.
See, I don’t actually eat anywhere. My mom’s spot (three plates came just from my mom’s.She’s a chef so she always does it super big), my pop’s spot, my grandmother’s spot & my girl’s family’s house. I may nibble on some baked ham or have some stuffing but every stop I get a plate to go. I got enough baked macaroni & cheese in the fridge to last me till Xmas lol.
Young..NO leftovers…i dont know how that happened. Im highly upset with myself cuz that might be the only thing I actually like more than Thanksgiving dinner
well, I ain’t got no plates to offer y’all, but y’all can feast on this:
[kevinnottingham.com]
just about every Kanye mixtape…
Schweet!
I realize that I just wrote all that shit about Wayne, but after hearing this I think I just said all that because I’m mad that he didn’t use our beats on C3. That would have been good for business.
Jadakiss feat Lil’ Wayne – Death Wish
[sharebee.com]
This song goes hard. Pause.
(Diddy bops and fails to fall asleep)
& here’s dessert:
Birdman & Lil Wayne Pt. 5
[www.youtube.com]
Oh, and Teef, I get the feeling (II) that Wayne has some “Poke” in his life.
Couldn’t resist.
Seriously though, I think Wayne may have gotten Jadakiss on that jawn.
^ for real? dag, I’mma hafta hear that then
^ by golly, you’re right, Wayne kinda blacked out AND outshined ‘Kiss on that
Still can’t sleep. Yeah, it’s confirmed. Weezy got ‘Kiss on that.
*gets to wormin*
AYO, FUCK-a-WEZZY….
I LUV SHAWNNA (Remy, also)……
I LUV SHAWNNA!!!
Lil’ Wayne is in the top 3 hot boyz…
I’ll give him that..
[www.worldstarhiphop.com] Elephant Painter !
THAT’Z CRAZY
“I be on that way left shit
Better get right or get left shit
Better hit right or get left hit
Even if you threw the best pitch, yes bitch, it’s Weezy F bitch
I’m the best bitch, muthafuck a guest list
I be like “Let’s just kill em & get breakfast”
Neck slit, next shit, expect this, every time you check this
I’m exit, I mean, excited to be your death wish
Bitch, I wear this G shit on my heart, not my necklace
And I keep the Heckler for the hecklers
And I’m from the mecca of the reckless, with the record breakin’ death list
Direct us & neglect us, think election won’t effect us
I’m high, above you, above law, above every which
Niggas snitchin, put niggas in a can like a beverage
Damn! I pop atcha head, fuck up your memories
I put a bullet in Nina head & let her reminisce
Yeah, if you don’t remember shit, you gon’ remember this
I’m knockin’ niggas down this year, I’m on my timber shit
Big lion, growl at you niggas on that Simba shit
I be on that fuck your clique, I’ll kill every member shit
Cold as December shit, bang in any weather shit
And they can buy your bag with body parts sold seperate
Yeah, that’s a bet bitch, like Russian Roulette bitch
Weezy be the genie in the bottle, here’s your death wish…”
^ Now tell me that boy ain’t cold.
Carter III was good, it had a few mis-steps but was quite enjoyable to listen to. Weezy is a peculiar cat to listen to; you don’t know what to expect from him.
Here’s what I got this week:
Kanye West : 808′s & Heartbreak
AZ: Final Call – The Lost Tapes
Evidence: The Layover EP (plus dvd)
I went to the bootleg spot and saw a shitload of Jeezy mixtapes!!! Plus Wayne had mad tapes out too.
“…They mimic, they H-O-V lane it and don’t pen it, the difference: the blue magic aint in it. We should form a senate to govern critic opinion, I watched them niggas throw away the pendant, To he who claim to be the Heir, how dare… Pusha naysay it…them niggas hear me and they mayday it. So i could care less if Jay say it, its too political when Jay say it, he play the game just instant replay it. The BEST DUO EVER, i hangman these words together, puttin passion into every letter, this my letter to the vetter, I masta ace, you niggas standin in a master’s place…. Fuck out my way!… ”
^^Big Dreams-Clipse
Pusha Ton for the win!
Pusha just dismissed Wayne without mentionin his name. Dope in every way.
A Millie was a monster. The beat
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that’s it…. the beat…..the beat was a monster….
nonsensical shit over a nice beat doesn’t make you nice.
best thing he said on A Millie, was “muthafucka I’m ILL!”
I got a laugh outta that…
Wayne’s lyrics are like your (not mine) favorite junk food….
a pack of twinkies or some shit….
he’s clever….but so are 6th graders….they say a lot of “clever” things…
“you’re mom’s so fat…..etc etc”
but being a mainstream Kool Keith wannabe with Biz Markie tendencies (no disrespect to either) does not make you great by any stretch of the imagination.
Amp, you picked a good verse to show what Weezy does, but that’s ALL he does….
zig-zag….lyrical drunken driving….
I’m from the school of thought that says pull that nigga over already…..drive straight lil’ youngin’….
you swervin’, going a hundred miles an hour but you ain’t getting nowhere fast.
zig-zag….lyrical drunken driving
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Well said.
Dude swerves in & out the flow.
He may not be sayin’ much, but he says it so well that I don’t mind.
Lil Wayne iz: HOVArrated
but weezy is a (very) good rapper. i wanna listen the C4 cuz C3 wasn’t classic. maybe a mainstream classic ! cuz he sells 3milli wit dys ; but i really hope a great new album for 2009 mo like C2 but wit new type of sounds, innovations!
ahah Gotty you were right, this file is still a shitstarter.
I really dug Wayne circa Dedication 2 – Drought 3 era, just because I thought the boy had his very own vision of what hip hop could be, not only in a “fuck you pay me” style.
But hey, codeine AND sudden big fame fucked that all.
Now the man has been learning guitar for one year and he thinks he’s Santana. smh..
Let’s be clear.
A Millie – That shit sucked.
I never understood the hype. The first time I heard it, I just thought it would get cut from the album like the other shitty lead singles he dropped, but next thing you know, all the other rappers decided to freestyle over it and it’s the hottest beat of the year. The beat and the lyrics sucked. Kinda like a retarded-ass Supreme Clientele era Ghostface spazzing over a retards (rather than soulful) vocal sample.
Warm garbage.
jay-z = the greatest. no question.
PushaT>>>Weezy
and wayne can rhyme….. boy don’t say a whole lot though… and he kisses men
I do it better than the best
.or shall I say the one whose out there saying hes the best
.and youre excused Mr. West
.theese shots aint aimed at your chest
.or your big brither either
.I consider him the teacher
.but for your little friend the creature
.you know which one I’m talking bout
.Mr Raper Eater
.Ill out rap ya and beat cha
.so now the people calling me
.Mr Raper Eater Beater
.while Peter Piper picked a pepper
.you’re just playing wih your peter
.Or should i say ya papa
.yep Baby’s f***n Weezer
.no its Weezy f****n Baby
.naw I bet its Baby f****n Weezer
.sippin on your sippy cup
. its got you thinking you’re a creature
.sayin f**k D.J.’s
.ninja D.J.’s dont need ya
That’s me In case yall wondered let me know how u feel about J’Ville’s own.
wow. Lil Wayne? I cant believe this is even an argument, or why anyone would even entertain the idea. These hip-Pop acts do not represent true hip-hop. Fast food music for the mindless masses with no redeeming qualities. What happened to the days of a “good beat” AND a dope MC? I blame all of the producers out there making wack MC’s sound better than what they are.