This song has been getting insane burn since it first leaked and now that the untagged version is here, it’ll probably get even more.
Aside from just being a dope track, it really did inspire some profound thoughts.
The other day, I caught quite a bit of flack for throwing darts at Plies and basically calling him undeserving.
The argument, summized by the big homie K. Strick was simple:
as in journalism, just because you know every word in the dictionary doesn’t mean you have to use ‘em all. like gotty says, “learn to say more with less.” that’s what plies does.
everybody ain’t got to be super-lyrical… some niggaz will strike a chord on pure emotion. and that makes for good music too. shit, i can’t stand a lot of these eggheads rappin about the size of their cerebral cortex & flying thru space & shit. i think when plies does straight street shit/reality rap, he’s respectable. and his beats are tight.
There has also been due praise given to Plies for remaining successful. The same has been said for his fellow Floridian Rick Ross, and several other brothers, past & present; where their skill level is supposedly substituted for by their realness.
I can understand why a younger Jeezy would rap the way he did. I even excuse the young Jay-z and T.I for willingly glorifying pimping, “trapping” and “hustling” and the mentality that Rap is just a way out of the ghetto.
However, with Jay, Jeez, and Tip, we’ve seen growth; maturation in subject matter if not in skill. They weren’t purebred artists and entertainers, like say Nas or Luda, but even the man who coined the phrase “I’m not a rapper, just a hustler who can rap good” now “does it for Hip-Hop”.
Our generation is littered with Plies’, Rick Rosses, 50 Cents, Waynes and others. These aren’t young minds coming into the game, and in some cases, they aren’t even hungry anymore, per se. They aren’t uneducated, 2 of the aforementioned have college degrees, and 3 of them are over 30 years in age and more than 3 albums in.
They willingly, not only sell out by putting out “Lollipop’s” and “Candy Shops”, or “Bust it Baby’s” (which, isn’t thoroughly condemnable in controlled quantities), not only promote violence/misogyny and other negative traits, but then they turn right around and hide a gem or two of truth and realness in their album, to “keep it real”.
If you hear your folks say ‘Hip-Hop glorifies violence’, this is why. When an emcee systematically programs his/her audience to admire what they represent: the ice, the women, the cars; and then turns right around and tell them “I’m the hardest in these streets. The ghetto is a terrible place. I love my hood. I’m the best rapper alive.” The audience eats the whole meal, they don’t digest it separately.
Which is why when you drive through high schools in suburbs and otherwise good neighborhoods, you find your Lil’ Wayne fan more prone to attempt gangbanging than to start a charity for Katrina victims.
I don’t really care if Plies talks shit to women all through his life and probably wouldn’t be bothered if he punched unsuspecting babies in their throats when nobody was watching. But when he gets on that stage, or behind that mic or camera, I will criticize his every word or action. Moreso, his impact.
Same goes for any other rapper. It’s their jobs to either be entertainers, to represent the people, and be the voices of the hood, the spokespeople for the youth. It’s also their job to represent our culture and it’s our job to keep them in check, TSS writer or not.
For that reason, I’ll gladly catch the flack for not cutting them any slack. For as long as the majority of your influence is negative, don’t point at the overlooked songs put out and use those as a scapegoat to put out more BS. Shift the spotlight. Otherwise you’re piggybacking off my struggle and that is downright disrespectful to me, mines and the culture we represent.
I don’t know why your favorite rapper does what they do, but me….
…well…


Same goes for any other rapper. It’s their jobs to either be entertainers, to represent the people, and be the voices of the hood, the spokespeople for the youth. It’s also their job to represent our culture and it’s our job to keep them in check, TSS writer or not.
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Good shit contra! I couldn’t have said it better! it’s time for these “rappers” to start taking ownership for the poison they sprew to the youth… It’s damn sure time for the general public to quit cutting them slack when they drop bullshit by just chalkin’ it up to the ol’ “they’re just entertainers” excuse…fuck that!
Good shit contra! I couldn’t have said it better! it’s time for these “rappers” to start taking ownership for the poison they sprew to the youth…
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Nigga please. Parents need to raise they kids. Not jeezy. When it get like that u need to snatch up they lil asses and they ipod.
Brilliant
^-Word. But in an age where ur kids can have u locked up for whooping their asses, 80% of parents have bitched out.
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true…
but…
the 1st cd my momma ever bought me was NaS – Illmatic… I was 11 yrs old and even at that age my mother was able to determine I was smart enough to separate the bullshit from facts…
shit is different these days.. Its the norm for trapstars are glorified publicly these days… I know jeezy and co gotta get that money but I think they should keep it real with the youth.
I think jeezy does a good job of showing both sides of the game..
liked nas’s verse. luda sounded good. jay not so much. loved it.
Nigga please. Parents need to raise they kids. Not jeezy
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I hear ya, B, but when did it become cool for cats to spit more poison in their own hoods than David Duke ever could?
Just cause you can don’t mean you should.
@ micah: You can’t compare Illmatic to Plies.
not even to Get Rich Or Die Trying..
and yea I agree wit u Micah, same way with me and “Doggystyle” but I think artists should stick to being artists and just keepin it real. After all for the most part with hip hop the ones thats sincere and simply tells it like it is are the ones that have shown to last. Others may pop up for a while but eventually get gone. What I’m tryna say is, and I think a lot of you all can agree with me, nothing that we’ve heard on wax was anything that we either a. didn’t see first hand or b. already knew about before hearing it on a track either by news or by ya parents tellin u about it in some way.
When we start relying on rappers to be “that” voice for our kids (and I speak as a dude with no kids what so ever) then we all lose.
but I think artists should stick to being artists and just keepin it real.
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B, I’m not even trying to single you out, but that’s just the problem…..these aggins AIN’T (by most any stretch of the imagination) “keepin’ it real”.
@ micah: You can’t compare Illmatic to Plies.
not even to Get Rich Or Die Trying..
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I WOULD NEVER compare plies to illmatic! I was trying to drive a point home…lol
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B, I’m not even trying to single you out, but that’s just the problem…..these aggins AIN’T (by most any stretch of the imagination) “keepin’ it real”.
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They dame sure ain’t keepin’ it real and that’s what kills me! My lil’ cousins be thinkin’ Officer Rawwwsee is a true boss or plies is a fuckin’ goon, etc…
^Agreed with OED. It’s not even realistic to say that sometimes. How many of these clowns will start admitting that they actually lived on the side of their hood where no grime occurred?
How many would really keep it real and just admit that they aren’t who they say they are?
They dame sure ain’t keepin’ it real and that’s what kills me! My lil’ cousins be thinkin’ Officer Rawwwsee is a true boss or plies is a fuckin’ goon, etc…
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Or that Wayne is a blood…
That midget mongoose ass nigga.
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I went to Lil’ Weasels house in Eastover (rich ass suburb in N.O.) back in 02. This nigga ain’t drink or smoke… He wasn’t claiming blood or nothing like that… Hell his momma wasn’t even let him cuss on records.. now he’s waving a flag and reppin’ harder than ever…
shits disgustingly sad…
nice write up contra.
“probably wouldn’t be bothered if he punched unsuspecting babies in their throats when nobody was watching”
haha got a laugh out of that
yo anyone got that Funk Flex & Kap “Live At The Tunnel”?
@ micAh!
if it hasn’t been upped by the time I get home, and I can find it, I’ll get that to you.
@ OED
good lookin’ out pat’na…<–channeled my inner pac circa. Above The Rim lol
Everybody shits on Plies, Weezy & such but please believe, your favorite rapper has told his share of lies too.
a simple solution to most of this would just be cats making it clear that they’re just “telling stories”.
I’m not quite sure when the lines got blurred, but it’s led to a lot of senseless shit, a decline in some lyrical content, and added to a pop/plastic feel to the music – word to Lil’ Kim’s face.
word to Lil’ Kim’s face…LMAO
@ b.payton
I’m all for artists being free to express themselves, and I can’t honestly say there isn’t a couple of songs that I enjoy by Plies. Unfortunately, most rappers (like Plies) aren’t realizing that our society uses hiphop’s negative stereotypes to belittle, exploit, degrade, and disregard an entire race/culture. Plies is the guy who raps about committing crimes and then makes a song about how the judge is wrong for locking aggins up!?!
Regardless of how much “REAL” Plies sprinkles on his albums, the guy is still an embarrassment to most of the people he supposedly represents. And he will continue to exploit himself and the lifestyles of the people he raps about, as long is the check gets cut.
It’s their jobs to either be entertainers, to represent the people, and be the voices of the hood, the spokespeople for the youth. It’s also their job to represent our culture and it’s our job to keep them in check
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i’m just curious, but why does this only seem to be important in ‘hip-hop’?
johnny cash said ‘i shot a man in reno, just to watch him die’, motley crue used to talk about all kinds of debauchery, queens of the stone age wrote ‘feel good hit of the summer’, whose only lyrics are ecstacy, marijuana, vicodan, valium, nicotine, alchohol and cccccccocaine. why is hip-hop held up to this standard when thru out musical history there are examples of all kinds of mindless and ignorant shit that people call music? what about the jazz, rock and country singers who make up a fake ass persona to sell records?
Think about an artist like Common, who can tell stories about Chicago gangs, drug dealers, getting drunk and smashing a thick chick. Even an artist like Jay-Z who raps about selling the drugs and running through madd women. They both are respected lyrically and prove that you can be successful in rap without such a negative image. The fact that Plies is an educated (and grown) man that chooses to present himself like an idiot is what I have a problem with.
thisclose to giving 50 a pass because he is, at this point, defined by his business acumen.
if you tell the most outrageous, outlandish rhyme, I can digest it as such (NH) as long as you don’t compound the ignorance in interviews, or start incorporating the coonery into your public persona.
@ “holla @ mitch”
All them people you named are white males who aren’t held to the same standard and judged with the same scrutiny that rappers (a majority black males) are. Same goes for women in the music business…even if they’re white.
Madonna was too raunchy and the Dixie Chicks were too outspoken.
yea i’m def. not defending Plies or promoting him. I mean he and a lot of other artists are not only good but GREAT (for entertainment). It is for this reason that Plies or Rawsssse are held on a completely different level when we engage in dialogue about the genre and the artists. I simply offer that if we’re talking about mislead youth (teens tweens and younger) then it’s our job to point out that most of this shit thats seen in videos IS NOT REAL. Its not too different from discussing the reality of say pro wrestling. You gotta step in and tell the ones you can reach that a lot of this shits flu. You not gonna reach everyone, its still grown ass men thinkin The Undertaker really came back from the dead to wrestle. You just gotta try to reach who u can. and if they can’t see that the videos and shit is just that, videos than God help em cuz they (the mislead fans) have managed to blur reality for themselves and cant seperate life from entertainment.
@AJwondagreek
I’m all for artists being free to express themselves, and I can’t honestly say there isn’t a couple of songs that I enjoy by Plies. Unfortunately, most rappers (like Plies) aren’t realizing that our society uses hiphop’s negative stereotypes to belittle, exploit, degrade, and disregard an entire race/culture. Plies is the guy who raps about committing crimes and then makes a song about how the judge is wrong for locking aggins up!?!
Regardless of how much “REAL” Plies sprinkles on his albums, the guy is still an embarrassment to most of the people he supposedly represents. And he will continue to exploit himself and the lifestyles of the people he raps about, as long is the check gets cut.
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I feel that, and its been niggas shuckin and jivin and settin black people back for centuries. Sad truth is that i think there always will be. It’s simple as the fact that niggas like that will do it for the money because they either really dont care about what theyre doing in misleading or they dont know.
and
the people that cut that mans checks will continue to do so because THATS how they like they “artists” or niggers to look.
so with that said I dont know enough about the real lives of the rappers like Plies or Ross and theres a few of they songs I do like. But stop lyin, get ya money, but damn dont piss on niggas and tell em its rain.
@ b.payton
I simply offer that if we’re talking about mislead youth (teens tweens and younger) then it’s our job to point out that most of this shit thats seen in videos IS NOT REAL. Its not too different from discussing the reality of say pro wrestling.
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Nah fam, I’m talking about when I go to get interviewed and the employer thinks I remind him/her of some rapper seen on BET. The kids aren’t who I was referring to, and wrestling has never been a big catalyst for reinforcing negative stereotypes about a people. Unfortunately, my favorite genre of music has…
@ AJWONDAGREEK
thats an interesting point. I never thought of it like that.
bus it byaaabay i won ron ma fangas throo yo hayoa. yo my cerebral cortex is gigantic.
Piles=homo, no pause!!
Ross=pussy, straight HOMO!!
I just hate bitch-ass pussy-niggaz that cant make money without lying….
WAIT A Sec…
Why is it that we all assume that those who listen to the music.. Young, Aged and Old as fuck.. can’t make a determination based on what they want to believe?
I am not saying that Plies or Nas or Jay-Z or Luda or The Coup or ANY garden variety rapper can get on a record and say some ole ignant shit and not get his/her paper without having folks getting up in arms about it.. but
I was able to make that choice on my own about the music I choose to listen to, and bout what “artist” I believed.
And perhaps we need to get back to pushing rappers to be ARTIST,,, paint a picture .. real or not. and let it be..
As a new parent I look at how folks are trying to raise children these days and I also remember being a child.. I wasn’t the smartest kid ever.. and I wasn’t the dumbest.. but I always felt like I knew the difference between right and wrong. I knew to make my choices not based on what others said but the consequences of my actions.
We spend so much time talking down to young people (and let’s get it right.. they are people who are young) that we don’t talk TO them. Stop assuming Lil’ Ron Ron and Shon Shon are totally devoid of intelligence, its insulting to them AND yourself. Cause that means your not raising them to think.
@ Belve
I’m 18, and I went to a high school in Columbia, MD. That’s in Howard County, one of the 10 richest counties in the US. (Not tryin’ to brag, we’re not rich. There are just a lot of wealthy people in the area and it gives perspective on the surroundings) I’m not trying to say the area is clean, there’s the very rare murder and there’s a lot of drug dealing. But it’s a very nice area to live.
Now kids at my school took Ross & Gucci Mane as the truth. A few of my friends still there love Gucci. They live by his word. You try to talk to them about him and say one thing negative, they call you a hater and ignore you. You CAN’T talk to them, because the second your opinion defers from theirs they ignore you.
Kids my age don’t wanna listen. The second you say something they don’t wanna hear, you’re a “hater”. Most kids, myself included at times, don’t listen to our parents because we don’t wanna hear it. We feel we’re always right, and that “old people” don’t know anything anymore.
I know I’m making a huge generalization, but from my experience it’s true often.
Missed a part.
Now these kids aren’t kids without parental figures. I don’t know anyone who’s parents are working two jobs or scraping by to live. They have good influences. I’ve spoken to a lot of these kids’ parents, and they do care. They try, but it’s tough to get through. They’re there, but often ignored.
word to contra.
but here is something that ticks me off. if you gonna lament the state of hip-hop and current day rappers, then i want names, bitches. cos most of these mainstream cats acknowledge in their lyrics that there are heaps of wack cats out there destroying the game. but the next track on the album features rick ross or some shit. and then ricky will mention the same shit. and then he’ll be joined on his album by some other wack cat saying the same ole bullshit about these pseudo rappers destroying the game. and the cycle goes on and on.
you motherfuckers are the reason the game is dying. you say one thing in an attempt to gain respect, but practice another, to keep the cash flowing in. you don’t have the balls to give these pseudo fake-ass rappers you call out a name, cos if you did name them, you’d be out of a paycheck. if you really are the only true rapper around, then let’s see no guest verses on your album. otherwise, shut the fuck up already.
that is why aggins like joe budden are the truth. he’ll fucken put a name out there…
this album gonna be dope!
Thx Krane
The artists aren’t the problem, it’s the fans. We talk too fucking much; if you don’t like then don’t buy it, even better yet, just ignore it. These “politics of hiphop” discussions are fucking useless, they change nothing.
There are a number of contributing factors to the puzzle, and too many to name here. I simply would like to see balance return to the mainstream. Call me oldhead, but in ’93 you could go from Snoop to Black Moon (followed by Anita Baker) on the radio and no one blinked an eye. Today, it’s one lane and a small handful of artists that get spins regardless.
Just to let everyone Know. I’m from Jacksonville Fl and Plies can’t rap. Simple.
Just to let everyone Know. I’m from Jacksonville Fl and Plies can’t rap. Simple.
That cat Plies is not a goon either. His people maybe but before he started rappin the most he was arrested for was a traffic ticket. I’ve got people in Ft. Myers and Plies is that dude that stays in the house while real shit goes down. I cant stand all these wack ass people giving FL a bad name.
well good morning to you to Krane, thx for the advance…
Well done, Contra. I’ll stand with you and take the weight for knocking these bulls*it, weak-ass rappers as well. In fact, I took issue with Plies being named “Greatest Rapper In the Known Universe” by VIBE.
http://www.yourfavoritewhiteboy.com/2008/11/three-requirements-to-be-future-of-rap.html
Time to turn our collective backs on the garbage. Just in time for Soulja Boy’s album drop.
inkd out clothing.com 4 luda and yeezys albums
hey Holla @ Mitch, I will tell you why, first of all whites aren’t piling up the prisons and they make up the majority of the middle class, which the latter does not put them in dire economic standing where they would take the lyrics as literal as someone who is less fortunate and has less options. Second, these ‘white’ artists you named do not make entire albums and do not have their whole images based around the lyrics that they may have in one or two songs from an album. I don’t mind any of the entertainment side, what I DO MIND, is when Barack Obama says he has Jay-Z in his I-pod, because this then gives legitimacy to the nigger/bitch attitude, that the highest point in the land and he says it’s okay to want to be a playa, hustla, pimp ect. all that really doing is enforcing the old nigger stereotype that black men are in love with themselves and could care less about their own community. It divides up the black community by forcing blacks against blacks and it does not unite through positivity. Because in the end these robberies, these pimpings, these playas who have twenty different kids are all being done with black on black crimes. they are not pimping or robbing the white community, they are killing and maiming their own, and it appears that it is the right way to act. I love hip/hop music! but the moment one of them try’s to tell me what to do politically is fucking ridiculous. the real men of hip-hop are Common and groups like Gangstarr.