“The Age Of Disbelief…” - Looking At Blender’s List Of The Overrated
GENERAL By TSSCrew on September 8, 2008 at 12:39 pmWords by Matthew Mundy
In honor of Blender’s ‘Look at me!’ skewering of pop culture on their – list name verbosity alert! - ’33 Most Overrated People, Places, Trends and Other Junk in Rock’ list, TSS thought we would take a look at their list and pick out a few that seem spot on, a little off or – ahem – bullshit*. Also, I’m unemployed, so it’s either this or drinking, and I’m out of fermented orange rinds.
32. Kiss
Verdict – Spot on.
Because, my friends, Kiss sucks. Also - meteorological accuracy be damned — Gene Simmons is a tornado of human filth swirling through a tsunami of mediocrity rolling its way across an earthquake of dubious talent. If Gene Simmons were a politician, he would be a poor man’s Mitt Romney, if Mitt Romney had a mop of pubic hair on his head.
ReBlendered – Do people still like Kiss enough to make them overrated?
29. Getting Rick Rubin to Produce Your Record
Verdict – A little off.
Have they not heard “99 Problems”? Sure, his recent production credits include Linkin Park and Neil Diamond. But still, “99 Problems” > Every other rap rock song ever, basically.
ReBlendered – Maybe it is overrated. Rubin did produce Linkin Park. And Neil Diamond. And Slipknot. “Egchk!” © Pusha T.
26. Timbaland
Verdict – Spot on.
Sure, Timbo used to be a beast – his work with Jay-Z alone will give him a top-ten producer spot. But his recent work with other artists – aside from Justin Timberlake – has been spotty to say the least. And it’s not getting better. If Timbo gets back to Hip-Hop – and just Hip-Hop – I’ll take this back. And so should Blender.
ReBlendered – Anybody who produces “Snoopy Track” and “Big Pimpin’’ and isn’t canonized on the spot is forever underrated. Even if they do briefly hitch their success wagon to a guy named Magoo.
23. The Music You Loved as a Teenager
Verdict – A little off.
Reason – On the one hand, half the music you loved as a teenager is boiled trash. On the other hand, nobody judges babies for shitting themselves, right?
ReBlendered – I still get super excited when a song I used to love pops on the radio, even if it’s objectively terrible. That’s immediately followed by immense guilt and regret, but whatever. Knock it off the list.
19. “The Haters”
Verdict – Bullshit.
“You see me. Hi Hater. Hi Hater. Hi Hater. You see me. Hi Hater.” The remix is disgusting.
ReBlendered – It’s a silly and all-too-easy fallback position for every middle-of-the-road rapper/artist/blogger/accountant who even gets a whiff of success.
18. Lists
Verdict – Bullshit.
My life wouldn’t be worth living if I couldn’t rank stuff.
ReBlendered – I refuse to ReBlender that. Lists are manna from heaven.
17. Ring Tones
Verdict – Spot On.
Because not enough people like “Ten Crack Commandments” to make ringtones worth it.
ReBlendered – It’s a quick and easy way of judging people before you meet them, at least. Saves some time.
10. Bling
Verdict – Spot On.
I’ll just copy and paste the latter half of Blender’s write-up: “And, sure, there is something magnificently absurd about Rick Ross’s diamond replica of his own head. But enough already. They’re glorified sparkly nuggets of carbon, they’ve brought about untold human-rights atrocities in African mines and their scarcity is a total fabrication anyhow.”
ReBlendered – Have you seen Fabolous’ chain? With a straight face, try to tell me that it’s not awesome. Impossible. Plus, the whole Yung Berg thing was kind of funny.
7. The Grammys
Verdict – Spot On.
I remember when I was younger I hated the scene in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom where the dude rips the guy’s heart out with his hand. Every kid has movie scenes like those. Well, for me, The Grammys is the grownup version of the Temple of Doom heart-ripping part out, only it takes four hours, and it’s not exciting, and I actually have things to do with my time now. Like write lists based on lists.
ReBlendered – Jay-Z once boycotted The Grammys because DMX wasn’t nominated for one. It was a valid boycott, of course, but the thought of DMX attending The Grammys these days makes my heart leap a little bit. In a really awesome way.
6. Cocaine
Verdict – A little off.
Clipse’s Hell Hath No Fury. That album is absurdly great, and if it weren’t for cocaine, it would just be an instrumental album. A great instrumental album, of course, but an instrumental album all the same.
ReBlendered – DJ Khaled. One can only assume, right?
1. 2Pac
Verdict – Bullshiiiiiiit.
First, one can only assume that Blender put ‘Pac on the top of their list because they wanted to sell more magazines. And that they hate Hip-Hop. Second, it’s insanely off-base. Yes, ‘Pac gets tons of love, and continues to loom over all of Hip-Hop. And yes, he wasn’t the most technically gifted MC ever.
However, his music was incredible and his influence undeniable. The fact that he continues to loom over all of Hip-Hop like he does reflects not on the fact that millions of hip-hop fans have been hopelessly swept off their feet and the music he made continues to resonate with large swathes of America. It’s as cliché and flat-out wrong as saying The Beatles are overrated – sure, they may not be your cup of tea, but they did damn near bulldoze, like ‘Pac, the landscape of both music and popular culture.**
‘Pac is one of, if not the best to ever do (the best as far as I’m concerned), and whining about his deification isn’t going to change that for a second. He embodied everything Hip-Hop is – its complexities and contradictions, its virtues and vices, its highs and lows, its beauty marks and blemishes. He was Hip-Hop, is Hip-Hop and will forever be Hip-Hop.
ReBlendered – The only potential way that he is overrated is when you look at the masses of rappers who, lacking any creative ideas of their own, substitute ‘Pac’s persona for their own. But you don’t blame ‘Pac for that. You blame Ja Rule.
The 33 Most Overrated People, Places, Trends and Other Junk in Rock [Blender]
* Historical precedent in hip-hop criticism hasn’t been kind to our friends at Blender - they once ranked Common among their worst lyricists in all of music, leaving one to wonder if a) they have ever listened to Resurrection, b) Electric Circus was the only Common album played on the short bus and c) they hate peace, love and Gap. Your guess is as good as mine.
**That said, Paul McCartney sucks.
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Paul McCartney does suck, although if you imagine him saying the following he seems more awesome: “Shut up yer bloody mouf and open up yer fuckbox, wench.”
That’s all.
I think I’m going to write my list of top ten responses you made to the Blender list and we’ll keep making lists forever and everrrr! lol. Great shit again…obviously you were able to do some typing while watching the VMA’s…
29. Getting Rick Rubin to Produce Your Record
i think this is toattly off, rick rubin has produced tooooooons of classic shit, and just cuz he doesnt limit himself to strictly rap shouldnt take away from his production value.
26. Timbaland
spot on? again u say “If Timbo gets back to Hip-Hop – and just Hip-Hop”
1st- hip hop isnt a genre of music, RAP is. hip hop is a culture
2nd - why does him experimenting with producing otha genres of music take away from the fact he makes some incredible music?
19. “The Haters”
dead on, ‘hater’ and ’swagger’ have become 2 of the most overused words there are. people are so quick to toss out the word ‘hater’ when u have any opinion different from theirs. its like mufuckas arent allowed to have an opinion these days without being termed ‘a hater’
i dont even use the word, but i think a hater is some1 who forms an opinion without knowledge….like those who instantly call so an so’s new album ‘trash’ without even hearing it. but me calling lil wayne overrated doesnt qualify as being a ‘hater’, just me stating an opinion…
toattly = totally
“Snoopy Track” is horrible. I’m sorry. Wait. I’m not. “Come And Get Me” and “Big Pimpin” are masterpieces. “Snoopy Track” sucks.
And its funny how in 10 years or so, nobody mentions how horrible a singer B. Spears is. The most overrated person in music ever.
Rick Rubin produced Audioslave as well.
2PAC
top 5 overrated lyricist ?
top 10 is mo good !
top 20 it’s sure.
less is underrated !!!
Names that made that list way off
- Rubin
_ Pac
-Pink Floyd
How About
#1 Blender - Most Overrated Magazine
Seriously, a magazine that crowns lil wayne the greatest rapper alive cant have any writers that listen to hip-hop.
Even Vibe didnt go that far-Weezy lost their little competition
*goes back to listening 2 Microphone Fiend*
wit-e is on point. being able to cross genres is a sign of how good you really are. and lets face it, tim damn good at it.
no need for the hip hop rap comment though bruv. that was below the belt
lol
random too. lil wayne is one of hip hops/raps biggest stars granted. but one of the geatest. lmfao
1) snoopy track is ridiculous - i love that track.
2) crossing genres is a sign of how good you are - however, i don’t think timbo is necessarily the best at doing it. rick rubin, for example, is far better at hopping between genres. maybe timbo will get better at it, but for now i think he’s been stretching himself a little thin lately.
and half of this was just playing - arguments for arguments sake…
i don’t talk about underground rapper or real underrated but great and big famous rappers. so
——–
Tupac ain’t the most overrated
Lil Wayne is the most underrated
——–
but tupac is the greatest thug rapper
and weezy ain’t the best rapper alive
Anyone else loving the irony of a list that comments on a list? Ah those innanets…gotta love it.
“Snoopy Track” used to bang if you rocked Iceberg, which I had a gang of pieces lol.
“I bought’em Iceberg shit, they thought I knew Snoopy”
2pac is overrated like a lot of this wanna be mcs and rappers…
http://www.zshare.net/download/18366373dca92e13/
Overrated:
Britney Spears
Fantasia
Ciara
Polow Da Don
Santogold
Jazze Pha
Pharrell as anything but a producer
Eminem as anything but a rapper
Eminem as a rapper post MMLP
Singers/rapper who show “growth and maturity” in their music. Fuck that, gimme some ignant shit. Whenever I hear someone has grown/got personal/written mature songs, I know the album is gonna suck.
Wayne. Not in a bad way, the kid can cook up some serious musical crack, but he’s like Ryan Howard. Leads the league in home runs and RBI’s but also leads the league in strike outs and is hitting .230.
Joe Montana
Scottie Pippen
Dallas Cowboys
(had to throw those in there)
T-Wayne IZ !
Rubin–not overrated one iota. That dude is amazing. And some Neil Diamond is dope, damnit. Well, not dope, but maybe the word is nice. lol
Timbo–Snoopy track is amazing. I’m sad for anyone who hasn’t realized it.
IJATTOD–one of my favorite movies ever…top 10 for sure. the unintentional/intentional humor is incredible. and i love the heart ripping out scene…
Pac–I’m no Pac stan by any means, and I think he can be pretty overrated in certain circles…but #1 overrated? the retardedness of that cannot be overrated.
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maybe 2pac is over rated . . .
@ Tres - I’m a huge Wayne stan, but the Ryan Howard analogy is PERFECT… If Ryan Howard looked like a Keebler elf.
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he is overrated…no doubt about
Elvis is overrated.
Hip-Hop is a cultural but I too consider it a genre of music unto itself. There’s a diff b/w Rap & Hip-Hop.
List that takes on a list is simply a rebuttal of sorts Drew ;)
Yeah, “the rating” determines whether something is overrated or not.
Like Pac= G.O.A.T. Carter 3=best album of 2008. Obviously theres some faults in there.
P.S.
“Snoopy Track” is tight
As far as lists, I’m basically completely incapable of thinking outside of them, so I just gotta roll with the punches…
But yeah, as I mention in the post, making lists based on lists is one of the privileges afforded to me by unemployment…
Wayne. Not in a bad way, the kid can cook up some serious musical crack, but he’s like Ryan Howard. Leads the league in home runs and RBI’s but also leads the league in strike outs and is hitting .230.
I second that, Tres… Big sports fan here, and that’s PERFECT!
Rap iz A Spit ! [something u do (cf) krs one]
hip-hop ys A vibe ! [somethyng iou ... ]
but u alreadi know!
Hip-Hop is da Music (and yeah a culture) !
cuz the sample is the musical melting pot…
…the best musical thing ever created!
(after the voice, dear God)
Who remembers Rob Deer?
I’m glad that in their list, they listed “lists” as being overrated…
@ Gotty
word.up.
Rap & hip-hop are as different as Kenny G and Thelonious.
Rap iz (a) Spit ! [something u do (cf) krs one]
Hip-hop ys a vibe ! [somethyng iou ... ]
but u alreadi know!
Hip-Hop is da Music (and yeah a culture) !
cuz the sample is the musical melting pot…
…the best musical thing ever created!
(after the voice, dear God)
* before the snobs attack, I know Kenny G and Monk play 2 different instruments, but that was also part of the analogy
@ Trackstar MLB Pitcher…
I “think” he was even here in Boston at some point
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh73wYleM0HnRbTaIw
OF
similar type player to the RHoward analogy–hit HRs but:
“He also carries the dubious honor of having the lowest official batting average while still qualifying for the batting title when he batted .179 in 1991. He is the only player since 1910 to have a batting average less than .220 in at least 400 at-bats in at least four seasons.
A notorious free swinger, Deer still holds the American League record for strikeouts in a season (186 strikeouts in 1987), and had at least 140 strikeouts on seven occasions.”
Sometimes people let their fandom get in the way of objectivity. Pac IS a little bit overrated. “Bustin’ on my enemieeeees, sippin on some Hennesseeee” type raps get a little stale.
BIG is also a bit overrated. You won’t find many Biggie fans bigger than yours truly, but he wasn’t flawless. Big L- also a little overrated.
kanye overrates himself !
Good point, Tres…
I think anyone who is more than mildly popular can be critiqued to the point of being overrated.
Love Nas (NH), but….. overrated
Jay doesn’t get too deep into non-hustler topics… overrated
Wayne
Game
etc
etc
etc
OED as semi-know-it-all…. Wildly overrated. Missed the Rob Deer question entirely SMH @ myself
We’re all overrated….
Maybe not MJ in his prime though… When he started hitting threes consistently, well….that was just unfair….
*leaves to go practice walking on water*
Overrated: Sex in the morning when you have a staff meeting at 9am. Don’t get me wrong, I love me some morning pu-na-ni, it puts a little bounce in my step as I walks to the train and gives me some adrenaline, but like sugar, that shit wears off after awhile, then you’re just tired/relaxed and want to nap. Like I did at the 9am staff meeting this morning.
Overrated: Sex in the morning when you have a staff meeting at 9am. Don’t get me wrong, I love me some morning pu-na-ni, it puts a little bounce in my step as I walks to the train and gives me some adrenaline, but like sugar, that shit wears off after awhile and you crash hard, then you’re just tired/relaxed and want to nap. Like I did at the 9am staff meeting this morning.
Overrated: Sex in the morning when you have a staff meeting at 9am. Don’t get me wrong, I love me some morning pu-na-ni, it puts a little bounce in my step as I walks to the train and gives me some adrenaline, but like sugar, that shit wears off after awhile and you crash hard, then you’re just tired/relaxed and want to nap. Like I did at the 9am staff meeting this morning.
big L is considerably over-rated…i apoligize in advance…yes he is top 5 battle/freestyle rappers but he is NOT in the top 10 overall unfortunately…and I like big L, alot at that
my bad on the triple post. frozen comp.
my bad on the triple post. frozen comp.
double posts now, WTF…
rated is the best mean to under/overrated someone
compare the classic album of different artists
that is the key ;
but damn so many criteria, so many locks
to one key ! the key’s G.O.A.T !
…talent(technicity/flow/punchlines/realistic thangs)
impact(rapgame/hiphop[hi]story/influences/other)
celebrity(notorious/bestperformances/entourage)
and career(sells/concepts/swag/inovations…)…
On the real, I don’t see how B.I.G. could be overrated.
He didn’t get a chance to really mess up.
And think about it: He was in the game for THREE years. Look @ the impact he made. Source covers calling him the “king”, all the classic collabos he did, lauching Junior M.A.F.I.A., two classic albums, I mean really think about everything in between his albums and look @ all he accomplished and compare it to all the MCs that were before him…
Big L on the other hand, didn’t really get a chance to do much. Lifestylez… is a decent album not really monumental material. Most of his acclaim came posthumously. So yeah, top 10, that’s overrating him. Truth be told, Pac was getting warmed up as well. I mean he was on fire we he died but look @ everything he made prior to Me Against The World. Not really the stuff legends are made off.
I don’t think you rate ‘Pac based on his albums, to be honest. I have always rated him far more on his overall impact on the game - as an artist and as himself - and I think it’s there that he comes up head and shoulders above everybody else in rap.
Sure, Big could rap circles around ‘Pac. But nobody can touch ‘Pac as far as influence goes, or as far as legend goes, or as far as lyrics go. He was everything - thug, intellectual, feminist, misogynist, unhinged, strategic… The list goes on and on.
Everyone should read Holler If You Hear Me by Michael Eric Dyson - incredible book on ‘Pac.
Agreed on Big L, though.
I think once people die they’re automatically overrated by everyone, but that happens with literally everybody: JFK, Biggie, Kurt Cobain, John Lennon, Ronald Reagan, Princess Di, etc., etc. ‘Pac’s included as well, of course.
Music lists are overrated, music reviews are overrated, fans who argue over musicians whom they consider overrated is over-rated.
BIG and Pac are overrated in the sense that you got people who will put them at #1, no questions asked. Especially Pac stanleys. These are usually the people who don’t know much Pac music pre-All Eyez.
And the few Biggie missteps have Puffy prints all over them.
But see that’s where it’s messed up…
Pac should be judged on his body of work just like everyone else. Since when did he become the Hip-Hop Joan of Arc? Oh yeah, after he died. All that worldwide influence and thug inspiration, cheeto dust shit came after September 13, 1996…
Look how much his Greatest Hits sold. Look @ the incredible material it’s missing…
I could see now if he was alive. Posturing in the club with Pharrell on some rinky-dink beat makin’ some straight up-booshat!
Fuck “Blender” magazine and all these other stupid publications!!! No wonder the blogs are winning these days. Fucking loser-geeks at these magazines have nothing better to do huh???!!! Clowns!!!
Agreed with ‘Pac being in the club with Pharrell. And same goes for Biggie, and Big L, and everyone else who died before they got old.
That’s the most interesting thing about Jay-Z, I think - watching him negotiate growing old in rap. It’s tough, but he’s done a better job than anyone else ever has (mainly by denying that he is getting old, for the most part, but that’s a whole nother story…)
I think with Biggie and ‘Pac, Biggie has a higher percentage of great songs in his catalogue, while ‘Pac has more great songs, but a lower percentage, in his.
‘Pac, of course, had his fair share of shitty songs - but the great ones outshine those by a long shot, in my opinion.
http://hiphop.popcrunch.com/top50/
am i being TSS-centric when i am shocked (we) don’t appear on this list? for real? guess I’m just in my lil bubble…is this list credible/accurate?
I also wonder why TSS is never on these top blog lists
Tss>>>Nah Right
I also wonder why TSS is never on these top blog lists
TSS>>>Nah Right
The great Pac songs outshine the shitty ones, but the shitty ones grossly outnumber the good ones. As legendary as “Me Against The World” was, it still wasn’t as good as “Ready to Die.”
At the end, Pac was so caught up in the “Thug Life” mentality that he became a caricature of himself and everything he stood for. Let’s be honest about it, “All Eyes on Me” should never have been a double album. All that album did was tarnish Pac’s legacy.
Nah, I think Pac would still be making good music. I dont’ think he’d be making too much pop shit.
BIG I believe would have seriously retired or slowed his production down. He sounded like he was really getting bored of rap and might have gotten a little lazy.
Pun is one dude who I’m afraid was on his way to falling off. His flow on Yeahhhh Baby was lacking.
L would have been on Rocafella and with the production he would have gotten from the Roc plus DITC…let me just say that we’d be talking about how UNDERRATED he is.
@ TC: HA HA HA!!! Ahhhhhhh maaaaaaan, that cracked me up homie!!! Prior to Pac’s death he was just another big name in the rap world, he passes away and all of a sudden he’s crowned “Greatest of All Time” and garners the allegiance of a multitude of dick-riders and imitators (both fan and artist).
Gotty>>>Eskay
also FYI Bar Exam 2 is going to be a day or so late…for those who are waiting on it like me…
And one more thing about Pac:
He had the amazing ability to make shitty beats into decent songs. Because, good lawd, did he get some weak production during his carreer or what? Also what effs up alot of his songs are the Outlawz. They make the borderline tracks into horrible tracks. The majority of bad Pac songs were throwaways that only got released to milk his name.
Lyrically…He was garbage…
But he is still a icon…
@ Matt Mund: Yeah man, real talk. Jigga has some age issues which I think is pathetic if you’re a man (30 is the new 20??? N%#&@ please!!!). Since a lot of “Greatest of All Time” emcees had their careers cut short before they hit 30, I’ve always wondered how they would’ve fared in the hiphop climate post-2000???
ps: Fuck those “Top-Blog” list!!! The way I see it blogs are like Al-Quaeda: No leader just multiple factions working together to get the job done (minus the terrorism and extremism of course!!! lol!!!) which is to keep us hiphop junkies fed and edutain the masses.
i’m a pac stan.
*slowly walks away*
My list of overrated stuff in hip-hop today
Kanye(Lyrically) He is a beast on the beats though
Wayne(Stand-Up Comedy Rap)
Swagger(Most overused word ever)
The concept of the G.O.A.T.(Everything in life is subjective)
Beef(No one cares)
Auto-tune/Vocoder(Its not fresh anymore)
Haterz(Everyone is entitled to their own opinion)
Nah Right(TSS Is Major)
Do U know what I think is underrated?
Viacom turning our youth into mindless zombies!
“Elvis is overrated.
Hip-Hop is a cultural but I too consider it a genre of music unto itself. There’s a diff b/w Rap & Hip-Hop.
List that takes on a list is simply a rebuttal of sorts Drew ;)”
I couldn’t have said it better myself G.
btw Rick Rubin has produced every Chili Peppers album since Blood Sugar Sex Magic as well as resurrected the career of Johnny Cash. Not to mention he produced every early Def Jam record (Licensed to Ill, Radio, Raising Hell, etc…). He was also on Time’s 100 Most Influential People List last year.
And Timbaland is the greatest producer ever. Yeah I said it.
The 1st step is admitting you have a problem. P you just made the 1st step. Lol
Dre. Primo. Timbaland.
And I don’t like when people go overboard and say Pac was lyrically garbage or just aiight cuz that couldn’t be furthest from the truth. (See: “Got My Mind Made Up”)
But he wasn’t the best and never aimed to be
Damn… that’s a lot of comments.
1. “Snoopy Track” is hot just off the fact that it took one of the hottest new artists (Juvenile) and only let him on the hook while Jay lyrically danced all over that beat.
2. Hip-Hop is a cultural but I too consider it a genre of music unto itself. There’s a diff b/w Rap & Hip-Hop.
=======================================================
Major co-signage.
Rhymes with a message postive or ignorant as hell is Hip-Hop.
Buffoonery + more buffoonery + a dance just to sell records is RAP (give or take a song or two…. see “Humpty Dance” for more detail).
3. Timbaland’s best production was used on Missy’s “Supa Dupa Fly” album IMO.
Which leads me to the strong statement:
[strong statement]Timbaland struggles without the help of Missy Elliott & Danja [/strong statement]
As long as Dj. Premier is alive; Timberland will never be the greatest producer alive. You can’t name a wack Primo track. You can name a wack Timberland track, not saying Timberland as a producer isn’t talented. But he has layed some eggs.
fuckin Mundy Monday over here. is that every week and I just don’t pay enough attention to the ByLines?
Greatest hip hop producer ever? It’s gotta be between Primo and Dre I would think. I think Timbo, Pete Rock and RZA (almost even Kanye at this point) are close but not quite touching the overall quality and quantity of work defining the genre as those two…
Agreed with TC about Dre Primo and Timbo. In that order, for me, though the first two are a lot closer than the third.
I mean I love Timbo, but he’s got nothing on Dre and Primo, IMO.
I love Dre & Premier, too. I said the greatest producer though. Not Hip-Hop producer. He has totally crossed over into goth, rock, pop, r&b. Premier is my favorite Hip-Hop producer as far as the genre, and his work on Christina’s cd wowed me. However, IMO none of them hold a candle to Timbo as an overall music producer.
Money kills/corrupts/destroys great emcees’ legend,
but/and some of great emcees don’t have enough money to become legendary !
Greums: promise me that if I ever make it to France we can do whippets together…
I don’t know bout them being spread out though…
Timbo has crafted sonic creations Primo couldn’t even begin create. He takes more chances and gets more creative in probably every aspect. However, we are a Hip-Hop nation and Primo’s work is the epitome of the traditional Hip-Hop sound. BUT
That muthafucka got plenty of wack beats.
*blows dust off Pitch Black, The Ownerz, Afu-Ra…etc…etc…
Did ya’ll listen to that “Beats That Collect Dust?” He couldn’t sell that crap for a reason
Good point TC. I guess Primo more-or-less mastered the traditional hip-hop sound, while Timbo is still working, admirably so, at pushing it forward.
If Primo is Biggie, Timbo is Andre 3000.
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I’ve just always appreciated how Tim is entirely different from everything else out. Also, I don’t know if y’all noticed this, but every so many years he totally re-invents his sound. He addressed this on Missy’s 2nd album on a song called Beat Biters. He changes the sound of music when he drops something. Look at all the synthesizers in hip-hop now after the Nelly Furtado and JT albums.
“Which leads me to the strong statement:
[strong statement]Timbaland struggles without the help of Missy Elliott & Danja [/strong statement]”
Good point. I don’t think his work is as strong w/o someone being his muse (a la Missy, Scott Storch, Danja). Much like Dre he always other artists throwing around ideas and music. But also like Dre I don’t think any of the records would sound as good w/o him. It’s probably good to have someone to bounce ideas off of.
@TC
That was a low blow bringing up Afu-Ra; you didn’t see me bring up Sebastian or Magoo. LOL!!!
my fav producers are Just Blaze, Dre, RZA, Primo, and Timbo.
trackstar- u crackin the whippets? LOL
big ups to the duster:
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heeeeeeeeeeeeey p !!!! ;-)
Shittt
That Welcome To My World is bangin’. Do remember who flipped the Night Rider sample first. “15 After The Hour?” Game over.
I don’t think he struggles either. He has A LOT of hits outside his camp and good deal of them are classic songs. His discog is thorough so I don’t mind the frequent duds he drops with Pop acts or solo albums cuz I remember knocking the hell outta that first Petey Pablo before the game lived off producer hype.
dude’s that are in love with ‘pac are wayyyy overrated…you know the ones with the shirtless ‘pac posters all over their walls…matter fact, chicks too…but as far as the man goes as an artist, there’s no fuckin way he’s overrated
That wusup TC!!! Welcome to My World is the shiznit. I don’t care what anyone says. I bumped that album front to back that whole year. I remember Ginuwine came out, and then Missy, and then I saw the video for Up Jumps the Boogie. Actually my boy had it on a Rockin’ Rod tape along w/ Ginuwine’s When Doves Cry and it was over for me. Dude had me from there. I wouldn’t mind more Hip-Hop albums lately, but he still has some bangin’ ass beats. I remember he sampled the MacGyver theme on the 2nd Ginuwine cd and I still wish he had done a song to that. Shit was bangin.
If you ain’t 30, you don’t get Pac.
All that bullshit he’s being remembered for now (Changes, Thugz Mansion) is post produced garbage.
You had to see the debut of California Love.
You had lot study “Me against the World” while he was locked up.
You had to hear “Hit em’ Up” for the first time when it dropped, when no one had EVER gone at someone like that before.
No disrespect to Lil Wayne, but when Pac gave interviews he talked about changing the world, and you believed him.
RIP PAC
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tres Says:
Overrated:
Britney Spears
Fantasia
Ciara
Polow Da Don
Santogold
Jazze Pha
Pharrell as anything but a producer
Eminem as anything but a rapper
Eminem as a rapper post MMLP
Singers/rapper who show “growth and maturity” in their music. Fuck that, gimme some ignant shit. Whenever I hear someone has grown/got personal/written mature songs, I know the album is gonna suck.
Wayne. Not in a bad way, the kid can cook up some serious musical crack, but he’s like Ryan Howard. Leads the league in home runs and RBI’s but also leads the league in strike outs and is hitting .230.
Joe Montana
Scottie Pippen
Dallas Cowboys
(had to throw those in there)
Sep 08, 2008, 1:24 pm ”
Everything you said is on point except for Scott Pippen - dude is the most underrated player ever.
you can’t hate paul mccartney… he was a song writing genius… just in the pop music sense
In case no one got that it’s bangin. lol
2Pac isn’t overrated; people jumped on his bandwagon after his passing. It became cool to be a Pac fan. The same thing happen to Jay Dee.
People are more in love with Pac the man rather than his music. Judging strictly off the music I can wholely agree with Pac being their #1 most overrated.
I’m so glad they said something about “Haters.” I remember watching TRL a couple years back when T.I. was on it, he was promoting King or Urban Legend. They kept asking him about certain songs on the album and he kept saying shit like this one is for the haters, then the next song and he’d say again umm like the last one this is for the haters too, and on and on it went, for the haters. People saying they need more haters or even thinking they have haters annoys me. I’m a hater on the word hater, it’s odd. Matter of fact if you think you have haters you are doing nothing but hating on yourself.
DJ Trackstar :
whippets are dogs, biscuits …
but in ya slang, whippet is what ? smokin’ weed !!?
…lol
Homey, u’re an official dj ! ya work iz dj ?
if it’s real, that’s great ! if it’s ya passion, it’s good too homie.
Yeah if one day u move around “french riviera”,
monaco ! that’s cool! major’s tss !!
maybe on ya world tour with jay-z……….lol!
next official dj of Roc Nation.
Greums militates fo the french hiphop world wide !!!
Liiiiiiistennnnnnnnn!
I defer when it comes to the who’s better Pac or Biggie discussion. I just never can have a discussion w/ the Pac stans. It always ends up w/ them just repeating “Pac’s the realest!” over and over….
I say Madlib is better than Dr. Dre by a longshot. If you want to talk about producers who go outside of the boundaries of their respective genre, he tops the list to me. Also, Timbaland ain’t been hot since Aaliyah (R.I.P.) passed and Missy went on her own. Sure Timbo killed Justin Timberlake and Nelly Furtado’s projects but after that he cooled off man. In my opinion Pharrell is one the dopest along with Kanye.
I personally just think that Timbaland loses focus at times. When he’s on…. mayne, that shit is on and poppin’… but he does have his slumps.
Perfect example on film:
Jay-Z - “Fade To Black”… Jay passes on beats that were later found on Brandy’s album, Ludacris’ album, and a host of others.
Jay-Z: “Nah… that’s just aiight. I need that bounce! You ain’t got that bounce.”
Jay-Z: *Hears “Dirt Off Your Shoulder”*
Jay-Z: *Gas-faced*
Timbaland: “Yeah”
That song is slated as pure hotness to this day. Tim may possibly need that dope ass artist that says… “Nah… that’s just aiight. I need that bounce! You ain’t got that bounce.” Then he’s challenged. When challenged he is one of the best to ever do it.
fuck, i’m going to go off on this one.
blender is fucking nuts to have pac as the most overrated person on this silly list. pink floyd? i wasn’t even around to experience floyd, but i am a big fan of thier art and to say they are overrated is absurd. same with pac an other people they listed. everyone is entitled to their own opinion and we as people shouldn’t be subjected to this type of “mind control”. things like this are what made pac and pink so good. the magazine is just, pardon the pun, hating.
100 bitchez.
^ Dammit Carry! lol
Actually my boy had it on a Rockin’ Rod tape along w/ Ginuwine’s When Doves Cry and it was over for me.
u mean Rock It Rod tapes? the DJ crew in Tampa off Bird Street? man, thats all i used to listen to back in 95-99.
@ Greums, whippets are inhalents like computer duster or nitrous oxide.
“Tim may possibly need that dope ass artist that says… “Nah… that’s just aiight. I need that bounce! You ain’t got that bounce.” Then he’s challenged. When challenged he is one of the best to ever do it.”
Great point. Like I said earlier it’s got to be good to have someone to bounce ideas and things off of, and to have someone challenge you makes things better. Competition breeds great things.
Yeah E. Those tapes. I used to go crazy when he got a new tape from there. His sorry ass never took me w/ him though. Crab ass. lol He’s still my boy to this day though.
^ Word.
Primo is probably my favorite producer of all time, but I can name you a bunch of weak Primo beats:
The original version of Afu-Ra’s “Mic Stance” is the most horrible Premier beat ever.
718 by Jaz
The joint he did with Rawcotiks
Giantz To This - NYG’z
My Friend - Royce 5′9″
What a Mess - Xzibit
Batman and Robin - Snoop
the joint on Jadakiss first album
Intruder Alert - Sauce Money
The Charli Baltimore joint
Pats have announced Brady will undergo season ending surgery
with the discussions of producers hip-hop.
1. Dr DRE
2. Kanye
3. Primo
4. Just Blaze
5. 9th Wonder
come on madlib > dr dre
that’s not the same hiphop…
one is on earth, the other is on mars !
Damn the Pats just bit the dust. And don’t think teams will underestimate them because Cassel is the QB. The way they ran up scores on teams last season; teams will return the favor to them.
@ Flea
What are you talkin’ bout? Aaliyah died, Tim appeared on The Blueprint, Black Album, did Ms. Jade’s and Bubba’s 2nd album, broke Petey Pablo, helped Kim “Jump Off”, let Lloyd Banks be “So Fly”, helped make Kanye “Stronger”, told Jeezy what time it was, “Put You On To Game” and buncha other shit I don’t feel like naming.
Dre made The Chronics/Eminems/Doggystyle/D.O.C./N.W.A. Madlib made (insert inferior products here)
Kanye gotta put in a few more years of work to make top three, but he’s on his way I think.
As far as Timbo, dude definitely needs his muses - whether they be Missy, Ginuwine, Jigga, JT, etc., he’s at his best when he’s putting in a lot of work with one artist. His beats aren’t one size fits all
@wit-e
thx
@trackstar
greums ain’t a toxico/junkie ! lool
@ Tres.
I actually liked Xzibit’s “What A Mess”, but the rest I agree with.
no whippets for me, strictly herbal and fermented medications over here…it was a reference to a certain youtube…nevermind. lol…
Brady’s season is over!?!?!? sorry marmar….
Jets to the SuperBowl?
toxico! i love that. may start using it…
Deliverance = my favorite Timbo-helmed album ever…but I’ll admit I’m not as familiar with his full catalog as I should be…
and don’t the rest of you act like you don’t get the Greums/whippets connection and leave me out here lookin…toxico…
@ Tres
Not “Intruder Alert”!!! LOL
“We keep it nasty like niggas with sandals with the toes out…”
That’s a headnodder. Not classic or nothing. Can’t co-sign on the Snoop either. Rage ripped that shit.
Now “Unfuckwitable” with Rage on that Doggystyle All-Stars…THAT’S SOME WACK ASS PRIMO!!!! hahahaa
“Game Over” with Prodigy stunk too
Deliverance = way under appreciated
I know who will pass on the Madlib shots!!
lol@(insert inferior products here)
wiping the tears from my eyes; Are you saying his work is inferior compared to Dre’s work? Or its just inferior?
Dr Dre/Timbo/Neptunes can change the game,
Kanye can hype the game,
and Preemo can keep the game, alive !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ps: Blaze iz an ovni !! so….. BANGAZ!
the rest ain’t a the same level. sorry
Dilla keep it legendary…
9th, Blackmilk, … maintain soul’s samples
Rza is dead? nah but i hope his impressive touch on the chef next album on february! if not……………
it’d be fun to watch the packers-vikings game with brett favre 2night cuz u know he is gonna be rootin hardcore for the vikings.
@ Greums
Wutup? ovni?
@ Bigga
Definitely inferior to Dre’s work. He’s a solid producer but hezs an aquired taste and that usually requires active listening because the beats don’t reach out and grab you the moment U push play.
Doesn’t make him wack but I don’t see how that compete with someone makes clever arrangements of instruments that garner mass appeal.
Wackest Primo beat ever = just about anything on the Group Home cd
Peter Rosenberg - Footlong (Put On Remix)
http://sharebee.com/41a6927a
toxico!
You know Favre already got some swamp woman putting the hex on Mike Mccarthy and the GM. LOL
ovni = ufo in french :)
@ TC:
I figured thats what you meant but I didn’t want to assume.
@Tru School:
Those beats on the Group Home project weren’t wack. It was the fact that Lil dap was the only one in the group that could rhyme. Malhiki da nut cracker(I WILL NOT SAY PAUSE OR NO HOMO. That what the fool called himself. lol) couldn’t ride a beat with training wheels. Pardon the spelling on his name but hell I am too lazy to look in a dictionary.
anybody know if this 2 games on monday night is just for this week, or is it some all the time shit now so each coast gets a game during prime time?
im too lazy to look it up…
Then yes I concur. Just Bleezy is an ovni!
yeah !!! o.v.n.i it’s an acronym in french for :
flyin’ object not identified !
thx@bullit, francophone?
If yall keep this toxico thing going Stuart Scott will use it in an ESPN highlight package. “D Wade when toxico on the Knicks for 45 pts!!!” Then you will be sorry
lol
Peter R. Puts On ! lol
big, big
big up !
Wit-e
It’s just for tonight being its the opening week for football.
Peace yall,
whoredope!
“Wackest Primo beat ever = just about anything on the Group Home cd”
The general consensus is that the production alone makes that album classic. Its the epitome of 90’s New York sound. Livin’ Proof instrumentals on vinyl are probably more sought after than the original album itself.
DV Alias Khryst - Any Ol’ Position Freestyle (over Whatever You Like)
http://sharebee.com/2ac09a96
Kia Shine feat. Danny Boy - Co-Pilot
http://sharebee.com/d3478858
Welcome back Danny Boy!
Timbaland feat. T-Pain - Talk (Prod. By Timbaland)
http://sharebee.com/37ad4a61
Reminds me of the old Timbo, and he actually says a lil’ something on here. Which means someone ghostwrote it for him (he has more in common w/ Dre than one might think).
Pitbull feat. Lil Jon - Krazy (Prod. By Lil Jon)
http://sharebee.com/74387b51
Crunk Ain’t Dead!!! Shit is infectious.
Yeah you’re right about the other dude in Group Home sucking. Lil Dap wasn’t bad when he was on Gang Starr songs, but the album was underwhelming to me. Usually Premo’s beats make me want to listen to just about anyone over them, but not that time.
good lookin Bigga.
i was hopin it was just for 2night.
Peace 2 the Greums!
if love is blinded, hiphop i will burst your eyes so that you love me encore more !
whats the consensus thoughts on rosenberg round here:
a. who is rosenberg?
b. awesome
c. annoying
d. _______________
He should have done a full album w/ All City. They knew how to ride a Premo beat.
All City - The Actual (Prod. By DJ Premier)
http://sharebee.com/28f183b6
K.Ommando Toxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx !
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jeezy first week 300k
ll cool j 50k
d. I’m relatively interested in his opinion. From what I hear he knows his Hip-Hop. I haven’t gotten to check out his show or anything though.
p.s. thanks for the d option.
I Suppose that Primo/SlimShady Will Be Classic !
1st, “Key to the city” joint would be crazuu !!!!
i hope …for this year.
I really liked the Juan Epstein show, but I think its a wrap cause of beef with Cipha. Outside of that I really don’t know much about dude, but he does seem to know his shit.
(Dr. Dre - The Chronic 2: Poppa’s Got A Brand New Funk)[Vinyl Promo Edition](1996){Unreleased}
by the same occasion, someone have…perhaps.
old dr dre was lil bit as primo. now it’s different. but
the old school shyt did something for that probably.
http://www.zshare.net/audio/14988028261da3f8/
bonus under my hand, if someone has interest …
http://rapidshare.com/files/128520180/Soopafly_-_Dogg_Pound_Product.rar.html
A Tribe Called Quest feat. Brand Nubian - Georgie Porgie (’91 Demo Version of Show Business)
http://sharebee.com/88bb0656
Track was originally about bashing gays. Label made them re-record it and Brand Nubian didn’t want to.
Big Daddy Kane feat. Kool G Rap - Raw (Demo Version)
http://www.sharebee.com/done?id=7bb50ada789df0b117f5096a96c2df3e
G Rap was trying to embarrass Kane b/c he had a chick in the studio w/ him.
Slick Rick & Doug E. Fresh - Live at the Lincoln Project, NY 1984 (Treat Her Like A Prostitute, La Di Da Di extra verse, The Show)
http://sharebee.com/9eb8a2f2
Rick goes into a second verse after “with your wrinkled pussy..” and even sings again.
EPMD feat. LL Cool J - Rampage (Demo Version with different beat, 2 LL verses & no E-Dub)
http://sharebee.com/43d8f8da
LL shows out even more.
LL Cool J - Blame It On Me (Jack the Ripper Demo has different lyrics)
http://sharebee.com/a7df4323
He’s going at someone. I don’t know if it’s Ice T still, but it’s someone.
Damn. I had forgotten about the Premo/Eminem joint. That would be crazy. What about Premo/Busta Rhymes? Monumental?
“I really liked the Juan Epstein show, but I think its a wrap cause of beef with Cipha.”
Actually check Cipha’s blog–he says he’s going to swallow his pride and maybe get em started again…
http://dontgetgassed.com/2008/09/07/the-fate-of-juan-epstein/
“Real Late with Rosenberg” was dope as hell….
The morning show is mad entertaining, but was starting to feel slightly watered down…i fell off of regular DL/listening…their interview with Latarian (”I just wanted to do hood rat stuff with my friends”) is hilarious though…
http://dontgetgassed.com/2008/08/28/cipha-rosenberg-latarian-a-dream-come-true/
Thanks for the Death Row paraphernalia Greumsy.
Thx God 4 Dat White’s beat yz Crazi !
yo if someone wanna see a freestyle battle
in french rap, look,
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=RASRiVDGAdI&feature=related
Greums surrounded by thugs, drugs, and drug - paraphenalia !
Thank God 4 dat whieeeeeet!
Group Home debut CD - rhyming (for the most part) = classic Primo…
No?
Imagine someone as skilled as Biggie on one of those joints.
I always believe put his foot and the sixth toe in that joint CUZ HE KNEW them cats couldn’t rap that well.
^
* always believed Preemo
^
* always believed Preemo
2Pac is overrated though. Deal with it
@tru school
yeah
imagine a remix by eminem.
i hope one day a freestyle on this song.
(message for radio show like rosenberg, greenlant,
shady must do a freestyle on thxgodfodawhyeeet!)
Biggie could take an instrumental with the drums made up of someone farting, a cat hissing, and Amy Whinehouse toking on her crack pipe and it would probably decimate 98% of what drops nowadays. Dude had everything. And he only put out 2 albums and signed for 3 years. I saw a comment earlier that said he was getting lazy. Not true. He had just put out Junior Mafia and Lil Kim and was a partner in Un Riveras Undeas Label. He got Un to Cam’ron and Charlie Baltimore. Biggie was more motivated than ever. How can you say he was getting lazy when his last album was Life After Death? The only classic Hip-Hop double album ever released IMO.
Okay so apparently I was wrong about the Group Home beats. But I was racking my brain to think of a wack Premo beat (basically impossible right?) and I remember buying that album and not being impressed. I guess it deserves another listen.
When is Busta’s Blessed dropping btw? I read it was getting released, but no date.
@ Tru
w/o scrolling ALL the way back up, I think fam was saying Pun had started to get lazy on his last LP…
lesseeeee…
a wack Primo beat? Hmmm….
I never really liked the stuff he did for Snoop’s albums, but then again, maybe for me their styles were just mismatched.
Rob Deer is Hip Hop
little love in this post for J Dilla and Pete Rock, thats disappointing
I didn’t know Cipha and Rosenberg were having problems; they work well together. I like Rosenberg; he is funny and has a love for hip hop.
wow, there’s a lot of comments here. honestly, i agree with blender… i think tupac shakur is far too overrated, i say this on the basis that i know countless amounts of people that have blindly stated “yea, tupac was the greatest rapper ever, there is no contest!” when they don’t even take the time to listen and explore all of hip hop to know if that’s true or not. and personally, i do not think it is close to true. //
Ahhhh….that whole list is shit.
Over/underrated are some bullshit terms that indicate you letting too many people get in your ear with they opinions and shit. Overrated means you don’t care for something all that much but you feel like people won’t shut up about it. Underrated means you think something hype as shit but everybody else ain’t hearing you.
Either way you need to say fuck all that, just enjoy what you enjoy, ignore what you don’t, and ignore all the noise coming from everybody else.
Pac being on top however, along with looking at the list of “Worst Lyricists” and learning they proclaimed Wayne as the “Greatest Rapper Alive” (to which I will now and forever respond with, “Did Rakim Die?!??”), makes me lose all respect for Blender as far as anything hip-hop/rap related goes. And I don’t even pay all that much attention to Blender.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ma go listen to How Do You Want It, I Ain’t Mad At Cha, and Shorty Wanna Be a Thug. Get the concept of someone having bad enough taste to call Pac overrated outta my head. BTW…the part where the writer here explained how Pac pretty much personifies hip-hop….spot on. Great writing.
Finally, someone with the guts to call out the 95% garbage that is Tupac’s catalog.
If your music has to constantly remixed and remixed and remixed. Youre not that good.
You dont need to remix Isaac Hayes, James Brown or The Beatles.
^
It was remixed by empty label suits.
Pick up a copy of Makaveli 5 Vengence and hear the orginals. Pac’s best work ever done.
^ So WTF u call Lil Wayne’s bullshit mixed and mixed and mixed, but oh wait it’s the same verse over and over and over GTFOH………
^ So WTF u call Lil Wayne’s bullshit mixed and mixed and mixed, but oh wait it’s the same verse over and over and over GTFOH………
Wow…so as long as tim stays with hip hop its all good….smfh….Producing for Linkin Park is a bad thing….sound like someone needs to diversfy thier genre taste…hip hop isnt the only thing worth bumping….
About the Pac thing. Ok, the people of this large world choose Pac to be the top sellin artist. They listen to him more then anyone else. Should Pac be label as overrated for that? That’s not for us to decided but what I will say is this, jay-Z said, “Males shouldn’t be jealous, that’s a female’s trait.” Honestly, if you agree or not, if you say Pac is overrated you’re jealous. If the world say if, fuck it. Let them, they crowned him as the top selling. I don’t no one who can’t get to work cause Pac’s crowned “The Best.”