Words By Jason H.
Although audacious of me to state – late ’90s underground would not be what it was if Biggie Smalls were alive. The decadent period of Versace button downs and tales of the good life were all well and good, especially when Christopher Wallace did it so convincingly. But copy-cats however, brewed up a cloud so thick of fraud that the whole style was tainted. Although the trend continued and many fans were duped riding on champagne wishes, Biggie’s death ushered in a lane for the same talent without the aura of superstar bullshit. While B.I.G. earned his spot, imitators didn’t and when the wave of “underground” emcees came in full force, it was like the can of air that Mel Brooks inhaled in Space Balls. It was a breath of fresh air defined.
“We played against each other like puppets, swearing you got pull
when the only pull you got is the wool over your eyes
Getting knowledge in jail like a blessing in disguise”
- Talib Kweli off of “Respiration”
“The deadly ritual seems immersed, in the perverse
Full of short attention spans, short tempers, and short skirts
Long barrel automatics released in short bursts
The length of black life is treated with short worth.”
- Mos Def off of “Thieves In The Night”
To a bulk of you reading this, don’t front – you were sleeping on the Black Star album. After Rawkus Records’ initial compilation releases of Lyricist Lounge and Sound Bombing, the Black Star album became the most memorable. Not taking anything away from other albums such as Funcrusher Plus, but the more soulful Black Star still resonates. It is one of those cases when the initial release didn’t hit fuckers hearts but stood the test of time. Singles such as “Definition” caught ears on the BDP sample and “Respiration” was a popular cut with the Common guest spot. But as a whole – heads weren’t really talking about it. Besides college radio spins, the singles did not catch wind of mainstream radio. Those still zombies to what was deemed “Pop”-ular, didn’t really give it a chance and thus began that “backpacker” shit, as they say.
Like a squeegee, we be lightin’ shit up like phosphorus
Turnin’ flamboyant niggaz anonymous, depressin’ to optimist
You stoppin’ us is preposterous, like an androgenous masohganist
You pickin’ the wrong time, steppin’ to me when I’m in my prime like
Optimus”
- Talib Kweli off of “Twice Inna Lifetime”
These simpletons they mention the synonym for feminine
Sweeter than some cinnamon from Danish rings by Entenmann’s
Rush up on adrenaline, they get they asses sent to them.
- Mos Def off of “RE:DEFinition”
The double-edged sword of being stamped “underground” provides creative freedom while being stereotyped as one dimensional. The misnomer of “backpacker” infers characteristics of over your head concepts and extremely thorough wordplay. Mos Def & Talib Kweli Are: Blackstar can fall under that criteria, but what separates themselves is showmanship which we now can see today. They became the Hip-Hop duo of their era while infusing their own characteristics of arrogant swagger combined with harmonic hooks and themes of black pride in digestible doses. In addition, Mos and Kweli’s lyrical compositions were so heavy in quotable material, there are only a few albums post Black Star that can be recited with the same fervor.
“Skyscrapers is colossus, the cost of living
is preposterous, stay alive, you play or die, no options
No Batman and Robin, can’t tell between
the cops and the robbers, they both partners, they all heartless”
- Mos Def off of “Respiration”
“Reverse psychology got ‘em scared to say shit is wack, outta fear of being called a hater, imagine that.”
- Talib Kweli off of “Hater Players.”
With the term “quotable” in mind, I decided to hand pick stand out lines which define what the album was set to accomplish. Not to necessarily saying there were outright goals set by the duo in completion of this project, but to combine their talents to form an underground supergroup made this one of the most best albums for the end of the millennium. Mos Def & Talib Kweli were virtually unknowns at this point and even post-Black Star, they remained to be so on a mainstream level until their solo joints dropped soon later. For lovers of lyricism, they were immediately a hit and the Black Star album was tangible evidence that lyrically both couldn’t be fucked with.
“I’m like shot clocks, interstate cops, and blood clots
My point is, your flow can stop!”
- Talib Kweli off of “Hater Players”


“what happens to a dream deferred…”
Man.
I loved this shit in high school. Still do, really.
Thanks, Jason.
true indeed…hip-hop is cyclical in that respect…there’s a few ill-ass rappers talkin about a specific subject matter (money, drugs, guns, etc.), and then a whole slew of imitators jump on the gravy train with hopes of hitting it big with their own variation of it…eventually the market – and listeners ears and radios – get saturated, leaving open a lane for emcees who actually have something new and intelligent to say…can’t say which stage of the cycle i like more, but it’s definitely fun to watch the shit play out…i can’t wait to see what new artists emerge after this “drug kingpin” era that’s goin on right now in the south…hopefully some emcees with skills on mos/talib levels will come out the south and change the game yet again
Check out this podcast of the man that produced “Brown Skin Lady”
introducing International J, J. Rawls
http://usualsuspectsradio.podOmatic.com/entry/2008-04-16T20_46_58-07_00
can we get a BlackStar DL today? I’m feeling young again.
1, 2, 3
Mos Def & Talib Kweliiiiiiiiiiiiii
we came to rock it on to the tip-top
best alliance in Hip Hop, whyohhhhhhhhhhh
i said 1, 2, 3
its kinda dangerous to be a MCeeeeee
they shot 2pac and Biggie
too much violence in Hip Hop, whyohhhhhhhhhhh
“And everybody on the avenue I know, when they see you say, there she is”
Theres a Paradox We Call Reality So Keepin It Real Will Will make you a Casualty of Abnormal Normality/ Killas born Naturally Like mickey and Mallory/ Not knowin the ways gets you capped like an NBA salary.
Man, this shit was fire when it came out. I became a rawkus head.
This and the first dead prez cd. All i used to listen to in high school.
Helatah Skeltah – D.I.R.T. (tentative tracklist):
1. Intro
2. D.I.R.T. (Another Boot Camp Yeah Song)
3. The Art Of Disrepekanization
4. Insane
5. So Damn Tuff
6. Ruck N Roll
7. Schmack Music
8. WMD
9. The Beginning Of Da End
10. Everything Is HS
11. Hellz Kitchen
12. Twinz
13. Ape Music
14. Everybody Do A Little
Producers: Alchemist; Evidence; Marco Polo; Khrysis; Illmind; Black Milk
So anybody got that Blackstar uploaded? i’d be eternally greatefully… this is what happens when you you’ve only burned 2008-2004 on mp3′s and still have like 1,500 joints in storage.
i think i have this on cassette somewhere in a bin in Public Storage.
Tame One – Da Ol’ Jersey Bastard:
01. Da Ol’ Jersey Bastard: Live & Uncut
02. Action Word
03. Against The Grain
04. Move feat. Mr. Turner
05. Haha Da Rah Rah feat. Sean Price
06. J Dilla Summer Camp Unplugged
07. Milk Of Magnesia
08. Supanatural
09. Catch Me feat. Del The Funky Homosapien
10. For You
11. The Night Cap (After The Jam)
12. Now
http://sharebee.com/53e53ca8
damn wit-e why you gotta be steppin on my toes foo’ lol
yo my bad about that AZ – N4L mixtape it’s just one long mp3 it ain’t split into songs yet…it’s the real joint tho
REQUEST: can anybody dig up/upload Cool Breeze – East Point’s Greatest Hits?”…..PLEASE
I had Lyricist Lounge, but no lie, I was SOOO blinded by the popular shit at the time. I didn’t hear this until a few years later. I mean, we go the vinyl, but I don’t even think I played it at the radio station. No one requested it.
I still don’t know about it, unfortunately.
@ Darius – DL and get up on that shit mayne…dope album from start to finish
Not to light fire to this discussion board too quickly… because both MC’s are breathtaking on this disc. But I’d really like to hear everyones opinion on this… so without further ado…
Mos > Talib
there, I said it.
brand brand new new
listen preview Raw footage’s Ice Cube, new album
on the “itunes store ! now !
peace.
Mos’s resume (when it comes to hip-hop anyway) is soooo much more limited than Kweli’s…when Mos is on his game, he can outspity just about anybody (if not everybody) in the game or otherwise…if he wouldn’t have gone off on his tangent and started doing all kinds of wacked-out shit, he might very well be the best emcee out today…having said all that, and if we’re talking about hip-hop music, Kweli takes the crown, hands-down…he’s been so prolific with his shit, he’s never compromised his skills, he’s never sold out and he’s respected by just about everyone in the game…mos is an example of talent/potential that never came to fruition
On this album:
Yes. Mos>Talib.
Overall. Talib>Mos. Because of Mos.
Besides a few wack tracks, this was perfection.
Remember picking it up on release date. The dope ass box for the cover and all. Too bad my copy was stolen, still have the case and bought another like a year ago. Too nice.
@ TC – this album & black on both sides > Kweli….everything else Kweli>Mos….and you’re 100% right, it’s because of mos
@ Sherm
Reflection Eternal is better than B.O.B.S.
He’s still never gave us that STRAIGHT UP, raw to the gut, body of work that we’re craving. Too much experimentation, even for a debut album.
and can somebody PLEASE up me that Cool Breeze – “East Point’s Greatest Hits” i need that i been thinkin bout it since that cool breeze post a week or so ago
@ TC – i’ll give you that, but Hi-Tek was a big reason why reflection eternal was so fuckin ill…don’t forget, they were a group
Hi-Tek was a reason this album was ill too!
“Respiration” is the best beat on the album.
Thieves in the night was my shit.
I remember watching the Definition video over and over and over during high school, and this was before youtube, it was on MTV videos online or some underground web site. I bought the album from hiphopsite when I first got a debit card.
heres my attempt and being a journalist, lemme post some gossip. LOL
While traveling to promote his latest film The Dark Knight, actor Morgan Freeman was seriously injured in a car accident that took place Sunday night in North Mississippi.
According to reports, Freeman’s 1997 Nissan Maxima flipped several times after Freeman over corrected the car after it veered off the edge of the road.
An emergency crew had to use the jaws of life to rescue Freeman and his passenger, they were then airlifted to the Regional Medical Center in Memphis.
Freeman was driving with a female passenger whose condition as of now is still unknown. Currently, Freeman is listed as being in serious condition
^^^ what the FUCK is morgan freeman doin drivin a ’97 maxima?????? this cat’s got money out the ass and (sorry to say) probably not too too much longer to go…get a fuckin maybach or at least a benz fool…you didn’t drive miss daisy around just to drive a damn maxima around
oh shit…obviously my condolences go out to his family and hopefully the dude is okay
Never really got into this album aside from a handfull of songs. It’s been sitting in my ipod for a month, but I can’t listen to it front to back.
Even with his inconsistent & sometimes self indulgent output, IMO…
Mos >Talib
Talib sorta lacks a personality, which is why I never really bumped his stuff.
@ Amp – i agree the dude’s talented as they come, but is he even an emcee anymore? the last few shits he put out were on some andre 3000 rock-n-roll bullshit but wayyyyyy less entertaining imo
^ P.S. I copped it when it 1st dropped on the strength of “Definition & RE:Definition”, but aside from those two, “Thieves In The Night”, “Respiration” &”K.O.S. (Determination)”, the rest of it gets little burn.
Just as a general note, I’ve been enjoying the hell out of this ’98 week. When you hear RZA talking about ’87 before “Can It Be All So Simple”, that’s ’98 for me all day. So many of these albums that got posted were getting their first spins in my first car. Y’all are just making me dig up all sorts of memories. Got me all nostalgic over here. Anyway, I’m done with the sappiness.
one of my fave albums of all time
so…everyone’s just gonna the “Reflection Eternal > Black on Both Sides” thing slide?
Helll nawwwww!
@ David
“Down For The Count.”
@ Amp
What about “Twice Inna Lifetime????????”
IMO its so not about which of them is better on this jont. they complete each other no homo
I saw Black Jack Johnson in concert–one of their first 5 shows together. BJJ was Mos, Bernie Worrell, some dudes from Bad Brains and Fishbone…
They shut it down. Scared the crap out of all the white boys there expecting to hear Umi Says and Ms Fat Booty for like 75 minutes.
Black Jack Johnson played wild for like 2 hours. One of the top 5 shows i’ve ever seen and i’ve seen a bunch. Dude was spitting’ hard, singing cool and them black rock cats was funkier than an ol batch of chitlins.
“Brown Skin Lady” is my isht, man! This album took me by storm, way too may quotables. It was sick when Mos did “Definition” and “Respiration” at RTB in Miami.
Side note: Couldn’t you scan that poster straight? lol
Black Jack Johnson NYC/R-O-C-K-I-N-G.
Cats slept on that BJJ. They were like the black PowerStation or the hiphop Lucy Pearl–A bunch of bad brothers getting together and killing it for an album or two then disbanding.
this album was a classic.
Mos when he spittin over kweli all day
I forgot about Reflection Eternal. Better than most albums overall. Beats, lyrics, and Gil Scott Heron. haha.
I went to the Rock the bells concert and I will say that Mos Def’s performance was initially a little shaky. However when Talib Kweli came out the crowd went nuts as they performed many of there Blackstar classics. Seeing them perform Brown Skin Lady was one of the highlights of the night.
they smashed shit @ the rock the bells in ny…
This album has to be top 5, all time. That much incredible rhyming on that amount of incredible beats just isn’t right. This album actually got me, a white indie-loving teen, into hip-hop.
yo, the remix they did for resperation with black thought was a problem…
not on the album (though i put it there on my ipod) but still crazy…Pete Rock came at him with that shit that only he can…
Says Mos:
“I pushed my pen and wrote this scribe
Like the morning wouldn’t find me alive
I’m surrounded on all sides
By the kind and the cool, wise men and the fool
Young guns attending school, ghetto classes include:
Get yours, get it right
Get down, get paid, get ass, get around
Get on, get fly, get jig and get high
Live to get and you’ll only end up getting by
When the nighttime covers the city like a cloak
I approach and assemble my hopes, into notes
Hard to sleep in the city that don’t
Cause it won’t let you rest, noises on your doorstep
‘Nuff distress
Police department, raid the park bench on nonsense
Cause they fear to see the brothers conference
Regardless, we bond tight and we rumble all day to break night
Daylight, wifey riffin’ to death – “you ain’t right”
The same fight about my late night habits is mad static
But the city’s so alive that I just got to have it
The planet of Brook-LAWN is what I look on
Ghetto chef rock your vest when you gettin your cook on
Dedicating this song to Scott LaRock, B.I.G. and ‘Pac
Kwame Ture, Betty Carter and John Henrik CLark
Ron Brown, and freedom fighters going down
You set the pace, now we finish the race
It’s on now”
“Live to get and you’ll only end up getting by…” >
damn…what happened y’all?
don’t sleep on the ad-libbing going on this album too…especially on respiration…
Damn, yo. Good memories right here. I remeber buying this joint when I was stationed in Japan, Yokosuka Navy base. This shit stayed in rotation for the whole year that I was over there.
BOBS tops Reflection Eternal.
Yeah, RE has better beats, but Mos’ personality creates way more replay value.
Have both albums, and Mos gets more play (pause) hands down.
One of only three albums I own.
RE > BOBS
I skip a couple on BOBS but with RE it’s the opposite
I can be accused of sleeping on many things…but the Black Star album is not one of them….
copped it as soon as it came out..
still dope…in fact I always reference that cd when mixing because it has that perfect bump.
Yeah RE gets played all the way through but BOBS gets some skips.
Great breakdown Jason. Great read.
lol@ sherm. truly, freeman in 97 maxima? why!?
i had great debates with people over this but I prefer mos over talib, but who cares they spar verse for verse on bobs and make it a classic. lyrically there’s not many albums that can beat it……
okay i’m done
brown skin lady… my mantra. why be a bitch or hoe when you can be a BSL??
omg…I still have a hard time when my boy asks me if i had one ablum to take to a deserted island…
Illmatic or Blackstar…
never can decide.