Words By David D.

News flash!
Rappers make up shit.
Take a moment.
Inhale.
You good? Ok.
Apparently the whole Rick Ross fiasco has led the people at HipHopDX to hop on the truth-seeking bandwagon to do some investigative reporting on Plies’ history all in the good name of dignity and attention-grabbing.
This, my friends, is not journalism. Are we going to fact check every song and rapper that comes down the pike with vivid storytelling? We don’t see Rolling Stone doing revelatory features on if Bob Dylan actually traveled Route 61 when making Route 61 Revisited. What HHDX is doing is obviously trying to piggyback on the publicity the Smoking Gun garnered by exposing Rick Ross. But what is there to gain? Who benefits?
Chuck D said it best when he stated that Hip-Hop is the black CNN. It’s the rapper’s job is to report what’s going on in “the hood.” Like any good story, Hip-Hop street tales are made to act as a microcosm for the situations and struggles facing all of us. So what if Plies’ jail tales are really about his brother? The fact is that they’re happening to somebody and the story needs to be told.
This same logic drove the slave narratives of the late 1800s. Check the history surrounding Fredrick Douglas and Olaudah Equiano’s autobiographies. There are some plotholes and straight up inconsistent storytelling. For instance, there is word that Douglas’ time as a slave was not as gruesome as he originally depicted due to the fact that he later attended the master’s funeral in a tearful reunion with the family. Does this mean we should discount the stories that Douglas told? Not at all, because there were a lot of brothers and sisters facing unspeakable hell. Douglas was blessed enough to have an ability to articulately persuade and he used this gift to open many eyes to horrific realities happening in America.
Granted, Plies and Rick Ross aren’t nearly the benevolent revolutionaries that Douglas and his ilk were, especially considering the financial boost the rappers stand to gain with extra street cred. However, the fact remains, these guys are telling stories that pertain to a lot of people out there (just go to a Plies show and see the heartfelt response he gets).
Look at an album like Reasonable Doubt in which Jay paints one of the most vivid pictures of the hustle we’ve ever seen on wax. Though homie (probably) never kidnapped his best friend’s girl, you can’t tell me you don’t get goosebumps listening to “D’Evils.” HHDX and The Smoking Gun are basically saying that only ex-cons and former drug dealers can talk about the harsh realities facing us all. Plies never went to jail, so he can’t rap about it? Let him rap about how terrible jail is. If some kid hears the song and picks up a book because Plies’ description of a cell sounds awful, then the song has served it’s purpose.
Bono is loved worldwide and has seen tremendous success musically since he started becoming one of the world’s most renowned humanitarians. Maybe I’m idealistic, but in a perfect world, Joell Ortiz can spit something like “nigga I donated 100 computers, you ain’t up on this!” Instead, this story gets pushed to the side for the next arrest or scuffle on Youtube.
Such is the state of affairs in Hip-Hop…and in our society.
Maybe if Plies and Rick Ross were trying to make money in a musical field that encouraged real-life issues not involving drug deals and jail time, they could have been honest about their pasts.
P.S. — Plies, you’re not off the hook though. 32?! 32 years old? I had dude pegged as not a day older than 19. 32 is too cotdamn old to be calling your boo “Wet-Wet.”
DX-clusive: Plies Lied About Criminal Past? [HipHopDX]
Rick Ross’s Jail Time [The Smoking Gun]
Previously Posted — “Pushed To The Limit…” | Battle Of The Sunshine State

Alma could get it in New York fitted, I’d draw a square and dare Larry to walk in it…
Damn right it is David.
Wet-wet?
SMH
Well spoken bro’man.
I was shocked at Plies age too.
And his real name had me on the damn floor with aching abs guffawing and shit.
lol @ “wet-wet”
amazing article. seriously…i will be sending this around to everyone i know.
plies might keep kids outta cells, but what does rick ross do? makes them wanna make a million dollars this year dealin weight.
regardless, one of the best posts ive seen on tss
I just got this asher roth tape, I don’t really know what to think yet… I heard he used to supply rick ross with his shit…
I’m playing devil’s advocate here, don’t think I’m a Ross stan.
But how long ago did he work as a CO? And aren’t they up in shit half the time? How do we know he didn’t get his connect from working as a CO? I mean, are you telling me he didn’t miss a day of work because he loved it? How do we know he wasn’t hustlin’ inside.
If he hadn’t denied it, I don’t think anyone would have a problem with it.
Good piece, mayne.
It wasn’t a shock to find out that William and Algernod are not drug kingpins…The prevailing thought seems to be that you “couldn’t talk about it if you ain’t live it”, and that’s the rule that these two have prominently violated.
Prior to all of these “investigative reports” I would have said that these two would fare decently in the long run, but the malicious intent to derail their careers may prove to be a struggle to overcome.
I will stand by this though – if Baby’s baby can tongue kiss a grown man and go double-plat, Rawss and Ya Lil Whoa Plies should be ok.
I will stand by this though – if Baby’s baby can tongue kiss a grown man and go double-plat, Rawss and Ya Lil Whoa Plies should be ok.
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Been saying that. Now, don’t forget Buck crying. Let’s see if he can recover as well.
If he hadn’t denied it, I don’t think anyone would have a problem with it.
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^ I agree with that last statement wholeheartedly.
But to me, they’re trying to hard to “expose” some shit that’s pretty much understood. Paying for documents to prove that Plies is no different than Nas, having watched it take place from his project window? Did I really really believe that Plies does all he talks about (minus the chicks maybe)?
The question is, do I really believe he’d be free if he did all he talked about?
I was born @ night…but not last night.
I didn’t need any “expose” to prove the shit.
i feel like the shit is stupid as hell… the only thing that should matter is the music…
niggas b bored… just like wit clinton someone’s personal life and their career are 2 totally different things… as the president we expected bill to b a top class citizen… guess what? top class citizens lie like everybody else…
besides italians and the mob we’re the only culture i can think of that give u status for illegal activity…
“how cool… ross was the dopeman… lemme go cop that trilla.” :|
mufuckin old ass rappers comin in the game as ‘new’ rappers….
what happened to cats comin in young like outkast, mobb deep, nas, etc.?
@Wit-E: Soulja Boy Tell’ Em
Strange. Hova’s 1970′s-Frank-Lucas-Acid-Trip “American Gangster” was brilliant, creative, and a return to form according to the critics … because, obviously, that was 100% true to Jay-Z’s life. I hope there’s some outrage on Pitchfork when people realize The Streets never lost a grand, and I hope Tiger Beat smacks down Hannah Montana when it’s revealed that she’s not really a secret rock star.
Algernod
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LOL
taking liberties with your storytelling is one thing, but these two cats based their whole careers on their street cred…being that brash and brazen about some shit that just isn’t true is only setting yourself up to get knocked down by somebody (haters?)…Nas or Jay-Z tellin some stories with enhancements or tellin somebody else’s story to bring issues to the light is not the same as what these fools were doin and yall know it
there’s a difference between tellin a few lies in your raps and straight LIVIN a lie…that’s all i’m sayin
^Algernod…c’mon, he either had to be a superthug or a nerd with that name…ain’t no middle ground.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPxXfL2kmfg
Doooope post, David.
Kudos.
Sherm gets the cosignature from me.
Fresh off of his chart topping album “Untitled” and a protest of Fox, Hip Hop Veteran Nasty Nas is back in the news again. This time, because of something he may soon be doing with the misses.
According to Nas he and wife Kelis are considering collaborating on an entire album together. In a recent interview Nas revealed the idea.
“Me and my wife was thinking about doing this record together, I’m doing my dream. If you could, wouldn’t you do it? What else would you do, every time I do something, it’s, ‘Oh, he’s doing it because this and that.’ Since my first album, everybody has an explanation of why. What am I supposed to be doing here? So I wanna drop the Dre album and the Premier album on the same day. That’s what I’m thinking.”
Despite all of the talk about who his next two albums will feature, the architect of one of the greatest diss tracks ever is still very focused on his current album “Untitled” and plans to release a second single to follow his first one “Hero”. While many were surprised to see a Polow Da Don Produced track on a Nas album, the rapper felt it natural explaining what brought these two together.
“I was almost gonna not do a single, but I wanted a song I could hear in the clubs, ’cause I knew the album didn’t have that. I wanted a song that I could hear when I’m poppin’ bottles. That’s what ‘Hero’ was for me. Polow was one of my favorite guys; he’s just a nice-ass guy. … I was like, ‘No single, no video. Let’s just make this a record that we talk about.’ “
Nas and Kelis should do an album and then Jay and Bey can do one and then they can go on tour together and take over the world…i prolly won’t be listening tho
oh yeah and btw, dope article but yall should be ashamed of yourselves for even reminding me that the wire is no more…bastards
Hide all little girls.
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What’s the difference between being a rapper and dope fictional author. Why does rapping always have to be semi-autobiographical?? Telling a story that you didn’t live but can recall hearing first hand is enough to get labeled a fake thug. I could care less about a rick ross or plies, but creative genius shouldn’t be neglected due to fear. Too many loopholes to fall through as a rapper, either gangster or bitch, backpack or crack sack.
@ wytemike
Its because of Hip-Hop’s orgins. It was all “real.” As time progressed, more and more spinoffs of the truth continually hit the airwaves but for a culture rooted in the streets, there’s still gotta be a sense of reality for it to be acceptable for everybody listening
To me, Hip-Hop has always been about relation. Maybe Ross and Plies didn’t do some of the shit they say they did, but, still. Someone out there in a bind may be able to relate.
Also, just because their record lacks proof doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. I know dudes that are selling big time with no record what so ever. Some people are too smart to get caught.
Shame on TheSmokingGun & HipHopDX.
dope post..most def.
but i feel rappers are faking their “hood-ness” for a different motive than to sway the youngins away from having to go to jail.
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I have a couple problems with the Ross situation. The only thing dude ever raps about is being a hustler. Whats the most over-used cliche phrase in rap? “Keep it real.”
Whats real about basing your entire career off a complete lie? There’s a difference between telling a story, stretching the truth, and living a lie. Bragging about being a hustler when you were really a CO (even if he hustled, what now cops rapping about how much dirt they do?) is, to me, complete bullshit.
That’s like my pasty ass rapping about “my” problems as a black man. Even if I have black friends, grew up in the inner city, maybe even adopted by a black family, but the fact remains that I am trying to pass other people’s lives off as my own. Its fake, and it definitely makes it harder to listen to.
I’m tired of excuses like “its all entertainment” or “its his character as a rapper.” What makes music, books, movies, television or any type of media truly powerful is authenticity and quality. Didn’t kill anyone or sell coke? Rap about something else.
All in all, Ross is way richer than I am, maybe I should just stfu.
btw my heart dropped when I saw the wire screenshot. :(
^^^ that’s what the fuck i’m hollerin…i call foul on usin wire screenshots for at least a little while longer…let the dead rest (until the movie comes out???)
Actually, Bob Dylan was constantly accused of fabricating the experiences he spoke of in his songs… including hopping boxcars on Route 66…ha!
I got mad yesterday b/c wasn’t shit on TV…and it was Sunday.
Where’s that petition @?
@Leona, yea folks were questioning details, but there wasn’t an investigation or expose…plus that album is widely regarded as his best despite the fabrications/exaggerations
rapper = iz what u do
emcee= iz what u live
All due respect to Statisticz, it’s not shame on TMS, but shame on Rick Ross. He blew the gates off by denying the pics. He had the opportunity to nip it in the bud, but stuck to his story. And let’s not be naive about some rappers’ motives for “reporting from the hood”. For the majority, it’s only out of profit. Dudes in the ghetto are not looking at it as a cautionary tale. It’s “that what I gotta do to make it”. In all, fans have short memory, but where do we draw the line? Oh, ya’ll better not be clamoring for the child molester’s (Kells) release.
Hold up a gawddamn minute!!!!
You mean to tell me that Special Ed DIDN’T eat Alligator Soufflé?
Although cats should leave the facade on wax, shame on you cats who are so easily swayed by whatever comes out of a rappers mouth….
Do the math…
“EVERYDAY (365 days in a year) I’m hustlin’”…..
Not to take that line too literally, but when do cats who say shit like this find time to be in a studio?
I’m sayin’…
Rap is all hyperbole, superlatives, and excess.
At it’s absolute best, rap becomes poetry… and even then it’s rooted in rooted in the same hyperbole, superlatives, and excess..
Newsflash: Nas did NOT wave any automatic guns at nuns…. or go to hell at 12 for snuffin’ Jesus….
WHATEVER.
Shame on these cats out here for lying off record, and in front of them cameras though…..
When you start trying to earn a rep you never had coming up off of some straight up fake shit (MC Gusto/CB4), your azz SHOULD BE called out….
and not to make anyone cry, or burst any Stan bubbles or anything, but put this right up there with the Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus not being real…….
Jay DOESN’T write his lyrics down…
(he’s rich enough to pay an assistant to write ‘em down for him)
if ross wrote in one of his song, one of his lyrics, few bars, dat he was an Officer… now there would be no problem.
ps: just one thing, someone had posted new AZ mixtape “N4L” here… but no comment on tss.
@ statisticz – i don’t see where you get “shame on tss”…did you read the article? it seemed to me like david d. was basically sticking up for the dudes…i gotta say i honestly got more beef with plies for lyin about his jail record cuz 1)it’s glorifying jail and 2)there’s real dudes locked down over some real shit…all Rawse really did was buy into what’s basically become the formula for southern hip-hop today, which is rapping about your bird-slangin past…he just fucked up by taking it to that next level and not anticipating some old CO records to come back and bite his fat ass
and, again, i’ll say it…there’s a difference between old school hip-hop “boasting” and “inventive storytelling” and straight up lying about your whole persona
@ Sherm..
I don’t recall saying Shame on TheSmokingSection
I said Shame on TheSmokingGun.
do not mistake fox news with reality tv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2jQENzth0s
The shame is on the whole of the Rap community.. When dudes past is more relevant than his skills, we have problems.
And if your on the message string, in the streets, at work, on the block, in the barber shop or laying up in between a pair of tiddies and you don’t point out the suckers that worry more about the “realness” of an artists’ background vs the “realness” of their skills … You can pat yourself on the back for all the wack rap we have these days. READ THAT LINE AGAIN,, THE SHIT IS YOUR FAULT.
Having true skills > Than having a true backstory
Angry @ rap/HipHop becoming a metaphor for The Jerry Springer Show
That being said.. he is an idiot…
Reporter: Mr Ross were you ever a CO or some form of law enforcement?
R R : I had to pay taxes somehow… Bawwwssss
End of the story with no admission of guilt AND you come off more like a kingpin than before.
You thought Plies was 19??? Dude look like he’s 40.
What does an emcee’s/rapper’s age have to do with anything??? Niggaz sound like the little teenagers on my block!!! “I don’t listen to Nas, he’s old-school” Fuck outta here!!! Plies is 32, OOOHHH NOOO!!! Time to quit rappin’ and head to the nursing home with pension plan in hand. Give me a break fo’real.
^ “Sweetheart,” “Love,” “Dear,” “Baby,”…even “snugglebuns,” ALL more acceptable nicknames for a 32 year old to call his lady than “Wet-Wet.” That’s all I’m saying…
Drug dealers don’t rap, they deal drugs.
REAL AGRESSIVE BITCH!
I’m somewhere straight gettin LAWWKED UP!
I DON’T EVEN MESS WITH A BITCH LESS SHE JUST BEEN LAWWWKKED UP!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1jdHYjUZ2c
LMAO!
Somebody needs to do one for Wale’s “Cougarbear”
YEA DIS COUGARBEAR N****,I GOT WEED,COKE,DOPE, I GOT OPIUM! HOW MANY N****S YOU KNOW GOT OPIUM!?
COUGARBEAR I’M HOT AS A MOTHERFUCKIN WINTER, COLD AS A MOTHERFUCKIN SPLINTER! YOU LIKE MY RHYMES JOE?!
@ David D: It ain’t about that (although I must admit calling your chick “wet wet” is stupid at ANY age) it’s about how hiphop is turning into HollyWood with the stupid age references; it’s annoying and irrelevant.
I don’t know, that sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me!! Good argument though!! First of all as a devoted fan of hip hop, I am always interested in the stories a lot of rappers tell about their struggles and the struggles of others in their community!! But if that isn’t you, don’t turn yourself into some fake druglord to get your point across. You speak of Fredrick Douglas, and it is fitting that you do, because in my opinion, Rick Ross, now after being exposed, comes off like a runaway slave who wants to go back to master’s house to be a good nigger!! What I mean by that is, there is so much to rap about, wether you are from the hood or not!! Mainstream white America exploits our struggles, becuase they are afraid and at the same time intrigued by our talents and abilities. As if all we know is how to kill each other, and sell some cocaine!! So when you come from that environment, there is a big difference between raising awareness by telling people whats going on with your hood, or glorifing that shit with songs like “This is the Life” where you celebrate all the money you’ve made off the dope game and the poison you sold to the same people struggling with you in your own community!! Fuck Rick Ross, and any other rapper who talk about that life not to inform, but to get a paycheck!!!
I WONDER WHO THEY GONNA TRY N EXPOSE NEXT………JEEZY?
as soon as I seen plies rep was coming underfire I knew cats here were gonna be riled up…
tss rides for plies like bono rides for africa
I dont give a fuck how many thousands of dollars he gives to how many single moms from the projects his whole style is garbage and his music is subpar.
please find a new niggas dick to ride ASAP.
Im not sure if I can sit through another one of his ivy league interview just to hear him on a track rappin like chicken george a few minuites later….am I the only person that finds that disgusting?
Good report, just one thing: kids aren’t listening to Piles. So his “vivid descriptions” aren’t helping kids to read, don’t trip.
Making up excuses for liars = L.
Just cause everybody does it don’t mean shit.
In all aspects of life lying is unacceptable.
Rick Ross got exposed and caught. That’s justice and karma.
Should’ve man’d up and came clean, but nope the nigga wanted to
keep living the lie.
Most these niggas ain’t got the balls to say “yeah I started rappin to make
that paper and pander to those buyin it. i’m not really a hustler, pimp, gangsta or whatever.” That would be keepn too real.
Rappers being reporters of the hood is some cliched bullshit. Niggas been saying that shit forever. It’s 2008. I don’t think it’s a secret that the hood is fucked up.
If rappin about a jello would sell, you’d have a million niggas talkin bout they gelatine operation. Niggas gonna portray whatever imagine to get that money and thats the bottomline.
@David D: that is absolutely not his best album.
And if it’s a problem that black males are pigeon-holed into the roles of rapper, dealer, gangster, baller, pimp….
then why are you ok with deliberate image building by black males (through dress and made up lyrics) that supports these stereotypes?
^It’s widely considered his best album…I don’t think it is. I’m more of a “Blood on the Tracks” man myself…but a lot of people consider it up there.
Wouldn’t the pigeon-holing of black males be one of the reasons for the lyrics that support these stereotypes? Its a chicken or the egg argument it seems…
So what you’re saying is that the rappers have no control of the image they (choose to) give off because they were molded by a society that pigeon-holes them? They are individuals, they have their own minds. At what point do you take responsibility for yourself?