
“…And Take Notes.”
Depending on who you ask, there have been between roughly forty to sixty Five Cig (5 Mics is done with, yaheard?) albums released in hip-hop’s history. If we take 1984′s Run DMC as the first, then we’ve averaged about two a year to date. However, recent times have seen a worse drought than Chicago’s weed scene. The Blueprint, released seven years ago, was the last album to receive a perfect rating from all media sources. While various magazines and websites have anointed an album or two since, we’re a long way from the mid 90′s. Which leaves one to wonder – what the hell happened?
Part of the problem is the systemic nature of criticism in the digital age. The Internet community exponentially increased the amount of critics, giving voices to more dissenters and contrarians. It’s lengthened the consensus building process. Scared critics don’t want to take the leap of labeling something unworthy a classic album; they’d rather go for a four or four and half and adjust once the masses have come to agreement. That’s why you see XXL and The Source going back and retroactively granting perfect ratings.
But shook critics aren’t the only problem. The harsh reality is that newer artists collectively have been unable to match their 80′s and 90s forefathers in terms of creativity and artistic achievement. This dearth of creativity has Hip-Hop fans looking backwards. We are stuck hoping for our heroes to recapture past glories, and most of the time, we are disappointed. All the 90′s mega-albums – The Infamous, The Chronic, Low End Theory – were defining works of artists at their creative peaks. Maintaining that level of consistency for a decade or two is impossible. Hip-hop’s greatest artists have been able reach such creative peaks two or three times in their careers. Without new artists stepping up to fill the void, we end up where we are today.
Looking at the 2008 releases, I wonder where we’re going to get our double dose of Five Cig albums. As a fan, I’m still caught in the nostalgia trap. Maybe on N*gger, Nas will put it all together and deliver the perfect social commentary he’s been aiming for since Stillmatic. Maybe André or Big Boi can use going solo as inspiration. Maybe on Only Built 4 Cuban Linx 2, RZA and Raekwon can find a cheap DeLorean and take us back to 1995 all over again.
But even if all three of these things happen, the fundamental problem will still remain. The current generation isn’t pulling their weight. I’ve come out of ’07 believing that Hip-Hop’s talent pool is deeper than at any time this decade. But one of the young guns – be it Weezy, Saigon, Joell, or someone whose name we don’t even know – needs to step up to the plate and make an album worthy of that Five rating. It’s the new generation’s time to carry the torch. Gotta keep those numbers up.

Greumst!
myspace.com/dubcrowdy
hip hop up and comers?
anybody got a working link for that chrisette michele- i am?
^ Try http://www.albumbase.com homey. It’s free to sign up.
My bad, I meant http://www.albumhunt.com.
i’ve never put too much into that 5 mic thing.. usually, it only target albums that the general population hears or may hear… there are many albums that fly under the radar that actually are better than many of the albums given 5 mics.. in addition, it all comes down to the ears that are actually hearing the music.. a 5 mic album to someone may only be a 3 or 4 mic album to someone else.. half of these people that critique these albums have never heard of ILLOGIC’S “CELESTIAL CLOCKWORK” OR VIRTUOSO’S “WW1: THE VOICE OF REASON”.. kats are prone to give some mc’s 4 or 5 mics based on the fact of who they are.. so i’ve never put much into that..
@ Woodywood…
1 important factor that tends to get overlooked when dubbing albums with such a prestigious distinction is the IMPACT. Music that’s genre defining as well as innovative for their time period—like the albums Pat M. mentioned (The Chronic being a very prime example). While we all know that there’s plenty of releases that are noteworthy that fly under the radar, it’ll be pretty rare for one of those to be considered a genuine Masterpiece when they’re not touching the people like the legendary works that preceded them.
@ Big Fonz thanks for the link!
Yeah, who won the contest from the other day?
@ TC.. i feel you on that one… i guess for me most of the albums considered 5 mic material are albums i don’t listen too.. example… The Blueprint.. most people would consider this a 5 mic album but after my initial listening period i didn’t find myself going back to re-listen (and i have many albums that i go back to re-visit).. not that it wasn’t a nice album but rather that it just didn’t move me like that.. so, once again it just goes back to what you like… it’s all good though…
^i’ve emailed two people…and neither has replied. Trying to give them the benefit of the doubt that maybe they don’t check their email all day everyday. but, their time is drawing neigh.
i’m with TC – you have to look @ impact as well. If the albums Wood named were so damn good & easily accepted by all, we would’ve heard of them on a higher level, no matter if they came from a major label or artist.
anybody have a link for del the funkee homosapien – 11th hour?
that flashing lights video got posted on onsmash and taken down with the quickness. probably a solid 2 minutes lol.
btw i think saigon and joell ortiz are both overrated as hell. nothing but a couple of second rate whiny ass mixtape rappers. blu and jay electronica are the future.
good point TC…
there are plenty of albums that come out that ere DAMN GOOD (Below The Heavens was the first to come to mind), but the great ones mark eras, change styles of speak, sampling, and get replayed ridiculously.
Even if an album comes out from a lesser known artist, if it is THAT GOOD, it usually finds its way into a broader listening audiences ears…
Jill Scott’s first album is an example of this… The cream always rises…
Anyway, I’m all for the new, and keep my optimism open, but as an ‘old guy’, it’s tough to compare the newer stuff w/ the older classics I’ve got a healthy recollection of… You always get labeled a ‘hater’… Enh, whatever… I’ll be dat…
BTW, I LOVE Below The Heavens, but is it really a ‘classic’m one along the lines of the aforementioned ones?…
“ask yourself the same question”
well there’s a pretty simple explanation for the reason recent rap releases are getting zero love from music publications and it’s because the critics are old as fuck and are stuck in the 90s when hip-hop was considered, at least by them, “good”. I’ve been following hip-hop since 2001 and have listened to every album in the genre really worth listening to, followed the movements, etc. and I gotta say, It’s really not that much worse, if at all, now. There’s some really cool shit going on around the music and culture that ppl really don’t consider; oh yea, there’s some pretty great up-and-comers too their just hard to compare w/ the likes of Jay, Nas, Ghost, etc. because they’re under 30. So if you can’t respect the genius of the rappers that have come out post 2000 — 50, Kanye, Wayne, T.I., Game to name a few — then wake the fuck up, because there’s def a classic in their somewhere!
2007 5 mic/loosie albums:
Pharoahe Monch – Desire
Brother Ali – The Undisputed Truth
Blu & Exile – Below The Heavens
Sean Price – Jesus Price Supastar
Median – Median’s Relief
2007 4.5 mic/loosie albums:
Little Brother – Getback
Scarface – Made
UGK – Underground Kingz
Devin The Dude – Waitin’ To Inhale
I think classic and timeless albums are released every year, people just don’t hear them. Mainstream rap is definitely in a slump as far as putting out exceptional material, but the underground scene is as good as ever IMO.
Promising 2008 releases:
Murs – Murs For President
Atmosphere – When Life Gives You Lemons…
Buckshot & 9th Wonder – The Formula
Kidz In The Hall – The In Crowd
C.R.A.C. Knuckles – Piece Talks
The lack of “5 mic” albums has more to do with changes in the industry than critics and new artists. A great album is a great album, and people – fans and critics alike – will react accordingly. The problem is, rappers aren’t interested in making great albums anymore. They’re interested in making money, or statements, or fulfilling contracts, or doing what they need to do to maintain relevancy, because after 10-15 years as an MC, what else are you going to do?
What you heard on Illmatic and Infamous was hunger. What you heard on the Chronic and Nation of Millions… was the sound of a revolution. What you heard on Run-DMC, Paul’s Boutique, and Three Feet High and Rising was some shit you’d just never heard before. That’s not happening anymore. Originality is growing scarce, artists aren’t hungry, and for most of ones that do have passion, if your name isn’t Kanye West, your arms are probably too short to box with the gods.
The labels and the industry are pulling the strings, and they’re the hungry ones…hungry, hungry corporate hippos. “5 mic” albums came at a time when hip-hop’s influence came from the ground up, beginning at it’s lowest, streetest, gutterest, crate-digginest level. Now, all the voices that matter are coming from the top.
To paraphrase Kanye, don’t listen to the suits behind the desk no more…they wear suits because they can’t dress no more. We were getting “5 mic” projects back when we knew how to dress and our wares were crisp. Now, we’re NOT getting them because we’re kind of naked and assed out. And that goes for you flossin’-ass monkeys, too.
Also….going back to 2001:
Cannibal Ox – The Cold Vein >= Jay-Z – The Blueprint
Pharoahe Monch – Desire
Brother Ali – The Undisputed Truth
Blu & Exile – Below The Heavens
Sean Price – Jesus Price Supastar
Median – Median’s Relief
I respect a man and his opinion, Heff, but none of these albums are “5 mic” albums. Illmatic shits on all these records combined. I like Blu and Median, though…a lot. Those kids can rap.
another thing ppl have to consider is there’s rappers from previous generations like Nas, Wu, Jay, Outkast, etc. that are still relevent, early-mid 90s didn’t really have that going on. I mean these guys are old as fuck, all 30+ and are still coming with it in a young man’s game. The younger generation is like “fuck that” and are trying coming out with a different kind of funk while still paying homage to the older gods it’s all pretty interesting.
And that goes for you flossin’-ass monkeys, too. (LMAO)
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@ rosecity
In all actuality, the staffs @ magazines are always constantly changing. So with the doors revolving, so are the aspects. You may have someone who’s a little tough when it comes to comparing the days of an old, or quite frankly it just may be some who aren’t qualified to even write an unbiased review (those are usually gone with the quickness). But need not fret, the good folks here @ TSS will strictly police our content—cuz we hold no obligations when it comes to criteria for the good, bad, and ugly…
I don’t know about 2008, either. Not sure what’s coming that’s got me hungry. I’m done waiting for Rakim’s Oh My God. I’ll get my AARP loot before Detox comes out. Eminem might see 300lbs before we see anything new from him.
I don’t do loosies as much as I do “PillowCase Picks”–Classic/Destined-to-be-classic albums, that folks slept on.
My PillowCase Picks since 2006 are as follows:
The Undisputed Truth — Brother Ali
Open Book – Da Truth
Bootleg of the Bootleg – Jean Grae
Game Theory – The Roots
This House Shall I Live – This’l
No Plan pt. II– 4th Avenue Jones
Life By Stereo by J.R.
After The Music Stops – Lecrae
Turn My Life Up –Sho Baraka
And even though they’re “just” mixtapes:
Unbelievable – Mick Boogie/Terry Urban
CL Smooth: Man on Fire – by CL Smooth/J. Period
The United Vision Mixtape – DJ D-Lite
The Best of Lauryn Hill: J. Period
The Champ is Here– Green lantern/Jadakiss
We Got it For Cheap 1,2 –The Clipse
Can’t Tell Me Nothin’ — Ye/Mick Boogie
@ Gotty.. you’ve missed my point.. having your album heard by the masses means nothing… because an album is or isn’t accepted doesn’t mean it doesn’t have an impact on you… and that’s my point… everyone rates albums different.. and to say that “we would have heard them on a higher level” if they were accepted and good is not true…. case in point.. i pointed out an album by Virtuoso.. i can count on 1 hand (minus a few fingers) how many of my people had ever heard of him until they heard me playing him.. but to me, that album is classic… as it stands now the majority of kats putting out “classic” albums are underground artist that most people have never heard of..
@ Ronnie:
Illmatic is a good album, but when it came out I was umm…10. Can’t say I was really into rap back then. Of course I went back and listened because it has received such high praise over the years, but it has never hit me like that. Over my head or sumn I guess.
I’ll put The Undisputed Truth up against any album from 1984 – 2008 without hesitation. That is one of my all-time favorites. No doubt about it.
Wood – I get what you’re saying but there’s a difference.
To me, there’s plenty of albums that moved & helped shape my life….but meant little or nothing to anyone else.
Something that impressed or endeared itself to you is totally different from an album that was widely accepted – by “critics”, heads & casual fans alike – as a album that was monumental.
“as it stands now the majority of kats putting out “classic” albums are underground artist that most people have never heard of..”
Having your album heard by the masses means a lot, because I’d trust the opinion of 2,000,000 over the opinion of 200. And for all their faults, you can’t knock majors for picking up talent. I can’t condone what they do once they get an artist in-house, but almost every classic rapper we know of has been signed to one. They catch whiff of something and they pounce. It’s been that way for years, ever since Atlantic tried to juke Ray Charles, but Sugar Ray wasn’t having it.
And those underground albums are hardly classic, because remember, an artist is underground for a reason. Sometimes, it’s because you haven’t been signed or whatever, but a lot of times, it’s because you’re not as hot as you think and probably aren’t making music that matters in the grand design. Your music has to make a widespread, lasting difference before it can be deemed a classic.
I’m with rosecity. This new crop of dudes is making fucking great music. Its just dispersed among like, 100 mixtapes per year. Now it’s more about following an artist’s growth song by song, as it relates to their story. This era is all about classic artists and personalities rather than albums.
And I’m sick of all of this over-hyped underground shit. Blu is nice, Jay Elec goes hard, but I was into the rest of that shit, Aesop Rock, Cannibal Ox, ect. back in high school. Now I can’t vibe with it because it seems like the dudes are just complicating the music for complication’s sake. Who cares how many syllables you can fit into a bar? If the music is too pretentious, then you’re not going to connect with a majority of people, thus keeping your ‘underground’ status, which is the only way those cats can keep eating. No one would dig that shit if it was marketed by a major and all over TV. True hip-hop lies in the balance between commercial interests and art. That’s what makes it unique and relevant. A classic album is one absorbed by the whole hip-hop community of listeners, not just the ones holed up in some college town record shop.
lol…I dig, Heff. The generation gap? That, my friend, is a convo for another day.
RE: Brother Ali, the Undisputed Truth was ok. But what is son yelling about all the time? He’s working on what is a well-respected indie label (last time I checked), touring, getting free gear, hot-ass Ant beats, and mad groupie ass thrown at him…basically living the dream. Why the anger? If he toned it down a bit and hacked away at the chip on his shoulder, I’d like him a lot more. That “Forest Whitaker” joint was my shit a few years back.
I’ll put The Undisputed Truth up against any album from 1984 – 2008 without hesitation. That is one of my all-time favorites. No doubt about it.
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Heff. You frequent TSS regularly. Take advantage of all the music that’s out there and branch out a lil’….
Just a lil’ bit…. :-D
now i have multiple challenges. to get pat to dance. and to top my previous works.
We have full control and there is no f*cking reason why new legends and new classics can’t come from this period in time. I myself have every intention of ripping a whole in the universe and showing the world what’s really hood(I’m not gansta or nothin, didn’t meant it like that-I’m from the hood and I’m awake so go figure).
If anybody wants to see the HipHop world expand and sharpen it shall be done.
get@your bizoy
peace
SOFUJID
this is why these forums are good because it shows how everyone’s thought process is so different.. and that’s a good thing..
@ Gotty.. feel you…
@ Ronnie.. did you just hear what you said….
just because your so called mainstream means nothing.. ask Ghost… ask just about anyone other than your Jay-Z’s and a few others.. so, when i stated that the majority of kats putting out classic albums are underground i meant just that… once again.. classic in my eyes… “you’re probably not as hot as you think”.. for me underground is the only sound.. having 10000 people endorse Lil Wayne or a Jeezy doesn’t help your statement… and no they don’t make a lasting impression because they aren’t saying anything.. and this is why we have to go back and define what it means to be “classic”.. if you look at widespread mass appeal than yes, these kats are putting out classics.. but if i’m going to listen to something classic (as in making an impression on me) i’m going to be playing something totally different… but i’m not going to beat this into the ground.. i respect everyone’s opinion…
@ Woodywood.
Ghost and Jay-Z are on the same level nationally. One may sell more than the other but with their bodies of work, their both megastars musically. As far as Jeezy and Wayne goes, they may appeal but just HOW good is the music. I talk to people who love their shit unconditonally all the time. Even they skip songs on their albums and prefer Wayne’s mixtapes over his albums. So we know what we’re dealing with as far as the quality goes. Now for the cats Heff is trying to muscle it, that just doesn’t work (that well). Truthfully speaking, anyone can do underground/backpack rap in their sleep and for the ones who are content and anti-mainstream, that’s not saying a whole lot for their accessibility…
@ TC:
Since I need to branch out, give me some recommendations because I don’t consider myself a closed-minded individual by any means. If there is something out there that I’m missing out on PLEASE enlighten me all-knowing being!
@ Woodywood:
I went to search for this since you spoke so highly of it:
Virtuoso – World War One: The Voice of Reason
http://www.sendspace.com/file/3ncgff
I’ll listen later and let you know what I think
@ Ronnie:
What you consider Ali’s “anger”, I consider passion [II]. And I completely disagree with your explanation of why artists are underground. These dudes are underground because they refuse to cater to the 16 year olds that control the video rotation and radio waves. I’m not saying every underground artist is good, but there are several who have the talent to be mainstream artists, they just don’t conform to the mold that sells records.
….Wait, I missed a Contest!?! Dammit!!
Yeah, Heff, he’s passionate. I was joking a bit about the yelling. And I gave a few reasons for why artists are underground. We’re both right, actually, but in the end, there are a lot more underground artists who are underground because they suck, than there are underground artists who have the talent to be above ground, but simply stay underground because they refuse to make shit for 106 & Park.
And this is a business – whether you’re an indie or mainstream rapper, you’re in this business to sell records. If you don’t have to sacrifice your integrity to do so, then that’s just a bonus. But few people can make that claim.
Do you think if your favorite underground rapper got offered a deal to sign with a major, they wouldn’t jump at the chance? For every one that might turn it down, there are countless others who wouldn’t. And for the most part, majors don’t bother if they don’t see marketability, but before an artist is marketable, they must first be talented. It’s a sticky biz…the stickiest of the icky, actually.
And Woody, I never listen to what I say. Haha. But seriously, I agree that’s it’s best to define what’s “classic.” And if you see what I wrote above, I mentioned that the music “has to make a widespread, lasting difference” before it can be deemed as such. So we agree on Wayne and Jeezy, because I don’t see this applying to either. I didn’t mean to be confusing, though…mass appeal and actually making a impression on a mass scale are two different things.
Man I love this place.
If you were a hip hop listener in the late 80′s & 90′s, do you
have to stop listening to hip hop in the present?
Do the artist from that era have to keep catering to the age group we were then to the present generation?
No. They can grow.
I liken a musician to an actor. Gary Coleman could reprise
his role in Different Strokes as a 12 yr old, but why would he do that?
He is 40 years old. He should do things relative to whom he has become through growth and experience. *No Pun intended.
Rappers don’t have to become old fogies and pretend to be grown and “act” mature if they are not, but they have
to pick the right role or album material to either recapture
the generation of listeners they once had who might be
tackling “grown up situations” or perform at sweet sixteens
and proms because the 30 plus don’t dig the kiddie stuff.
If Sly can be Rambo @ 60, why can’t Curtis be 50 @ 40?
Maybe it’s about balance. What does balance mean in Hip Hop?
The underground does house all the talent if you ask me.
If only the current market place could become profitable for these artists it would be cool.
The Redmans and U.G.K’s as far as I could see enjoyed
minimal fame. They had a good 100,000 fans which seemed to be enough to make a living.
Ultimately, they need to find that nice size audience that will
ride or die for them for as long as they choose to have a career.
The Rolling Stones still doin it and so can Hip Hop.
BTW, I’ve always hated when people in general talk about
the age of a rapper. As if they wish to die before they reach that age or hopefully retire before then. The same ones talking bout how old someone is rappin or whatever
are gonna have to hopefully face the same ridicule because
they will probably never get to the level of those they want to
see not be successful.
So here’s to the Jim Jones’ , Cam’rons’, Lil Waynes, Mainos’, Joe Buddens’ that want all these old mofos to stop
rapping. Hopefully they’ll stop rapping real soon cuz they are either about to hit 30 or are well into theirs.
And I like Joey outta all the others mentioned.
I gotta agree with TC, American Gagster was 5 mic/loosie masterpiece. Flawless in my opinion.
IT SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD THAT THE HIPHOP HENCEFORTH IS AN INDUSTRY LIKE ANOTHER. BUT TO GIVE THE TERM OF CLASSIC, ONE YEAR AFTER THE EXIT OF A DISC CAN SEEM FAST BUT ILLMATIC HAD SURELY KNOWN THIS SPEED THEN THE TERM OF CLASSIC HAS A DOUBLE SENS, A CLASSIC MAINSTREAM CAN EXIST ALSO IT’S TO BE SAID, JEEZY’S THE INSPIRATION, CAN SEEM CLASSIC BUS KIND IN 1O YEARS YOUR SONS OF WILL SAY HOW THE RAP TO SOUND A YOUR TIME AND YOU WILL SHOW HIM HIS DISC.
After, for me, a classic =
when the emcee transcend the instrumental one, if the performance is as large as the sound on which it poses, one can give the word of classic. often the instrumental ones are not with the height of the lyricisme. rakim example. and conversely, one ceases hoping for only one doctor Dre, stripping of any will monetarist, is made discover and that this one likes the hiphop more than all more than the music. what unfortunately truth does not like and which finally, certain rappeurs can dévoiller, to show, with the music of “their” time, of new traditional bus: I am to persuade, that it is strongly possible to exceed old classics (pleonasm) if one remakes as before collaborations between better!!! afterwards with us not always not to confuse nostalgia and the classicism to show perspicacity, is not so far from clairvoyance clearly known as! peace!!
LOL @ “American Gagster”
I’m as big a Jay fan as anyone, but AG was a disappointment in my book. Maybe I had my expectations set too high, but it wasn’t on par with his better albums. Second tier as far as Jay is concerned. The “concept” album was poorly executed and the production was boring. Individually Puff’s beats were good, but as a collection, they all sound too similar. Especially when they are all bunched together at the beginning of the album. 3.5/5 for me.
If American Gangster is a “5-mic” album, I’d have to consider giving up on hip-hop altogether.
Black Canseco post up.
I agree with ronnie
Ronald, for the sake of argument, what were the 5 Star albums of 07?
:)
AG is pretty fuckin solid. It’s repeat value is pretty good. Artistically he didn’t break any molds but he was able to revert back to his former self, which was said to be impossible @ this point in his career.
w/o typing an essay, it’s got quite a few +’s IMO.
Honestly?
There were none.
And if American Gangster is a “5-mic” album, then what is Reasonable Doubt or Blueprint, which were both considered Jay’s best prior to what he did last year. I think a lot of people drank the Kool-Aid because a) Jay told us to, and b) Kingdom Come was a misfire. I honestly found both K-Def and Von Pea’s remix albums better than the original.
I understand the passage of time all that, and that things have changed since the time when cats were making truly, truly classic albums. But perhaps we should resign ourselves to the fact that while there is still quality hip-hop to be had – and more important, consumed – the idea of anyone making a classic, “5-mic” album in the traditional sense nowadays is pretty far-fetched. Nation of Millions… is, for me, a classic album – a “5-mic” album. Is American Gangster on par with that?
And if you take time into consideration, should we dumb our expectations down just because it’s 20 years later and a different game now? I don’t know. I wouldn’t feel right doing that. I have no answers, either, but maybe I should record a “5-mic” album, because I’m going to get fired when my job realizes I didn’t do a goddamn thing today. lol
lol @ the last line.
should we dumb our expectations down just because it’s 20 years later and a different game now? I don’t know. I wouldn’t feel right doing that.
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the idea that i have is that we keep progressing along w/the music. as the music & our listening preferences change, so should our standard for judging the music.
I think one of better ways to view it is to look @ books, where there’s constant talk of expanding the canon of works to be studied. It’s not like 1994 came & “good music” stopped being made.
When it all falls down, AG will not be up there with RD…but it’ll be close. When I listen now, it’s not a 5 but easily 4.5. Given some time to see how it ages, i wouldn’t think it impossible for it to get a 5 in my book.
Ive debated this with TC (A Gangster,) and he would say that its on par with RD and Blueprint. I aint gonna bother trying to change his mind.
Imo, there’ve been two 5s this decade, The Blueprint and College Dropout. Lots of close buts, including Graduation, AG, Black Album, Hell Hath No Fury, etc. Hip-hop got in a lull there for 5 years plus and to reach a creative peak in an art form, you gotta build up from the ground. Imo, I’ve seen signs of that happening.
The biggest problem, that Jada pointed out to me today, is that rappers dont have to make albums to be successful. Lil Wayne can be a candidate for MVP of 07 based on guest appearances and a mixtape. Album sales are down, so they become less commercially viable, meaning the promotion and infrastructure for albums aint there.
And it goes back to the artists themselves, what I love about Kanye and Lupe is they seem obsessed with proving they can stack up to the greats, to making the Ronnie’s shut up and respect (no offense.) Plenty of cats are out there saying “I’m the best, I aint feeling no one else cause everyone sucks (Budden),” but you want to really prove it? Make that 5 album, cause that’s still the personal artistic achievement that will stand the test of time.
Im waiting…
I know I’m jumping in on this waaaaay late, but you gotta remember that picking the best (or your favorite) albums of the year does make it a 5 whatever album. Standing the test of time plays just as big a role, if not bigger than influence on people.
This bloggggg is a blah blah blah, best lp in my eyes.(YOU DROP WHATEVER LP. THAT YOU FEEL MAGICALLY CAPTURES THE SPIRIT OF YOU IN “_________”. Yawn.
The killer of 5 mic albums is … simply put MIXTAPES.
I shall explain, back in the day to put something on wax and/or CD was expensive and time-consuming. So when an artist went into a studio he/she would take in they best lyrics and all the pressure to “make it hot” would pile up to create an classic. But it also meant that for an artist to make money and really do it big, that album had to last .. usually a year or so because then you had to tour to get the real dough AND have time to get back in the studio to do your thing.
Now that isn’t there, Lil’ Wayne for all his talent hasn’t had a studio album in… **looks at my wrist like I have a watch** .. so long I would have to look it up. BUT he has mixtapes and cameos out all the time. Not to mention the forces of the corporate suits trying to keep up with the profit margin by doing more with less in a faster time.
I take offense to those how point out the age gap of rapper and the fans/critics as a cop out to why these young cats haven’t put out classics. When “The Chronic” dropped within a week EVERYONE around me either had a copy (bootleg or otherwise) or had heard it and just needed to get the cheese up to make that happen. The was in Montgomery, AL and when the album dropped there was NO radio promo down there for new rap.
A classic album HAS to have that ..special something that makes the masses pay attention and while I noticed some great underground albums touted let’s not forget that if music is great, it will get noticed. At least that has been my experience.
some 5mic albums since the blueprint:
kanye – college dropout
clipse – lord willin’
lil wayne – the carter II
common – be
a lot of 4.5mic albums in between like AG, eardrum, etc..
“Imo, there’ve been two 5s this decade, The Blueprint and College Dropout.”
That sounds about right.
“And it goes back to the artists themselves, what I love about Kanye and Lupe is they seem obsessed with proving they can stack up to the greats, to making the Ronnie’s shut up and respect (no offense.)”
None taken. I want cats to prove me wrong. PLEASE shut me up…I beg you, rappers…please.
“picking the best (or your favorite) albums of the year does make it a 5 whatever album. Standing the test of time plays just as big a role, if not bigger than influence on people.”
Exactly.
“I take offense to those how point out the age gap of rapper and the fans/critics as a cop out to why these young cats haven’t put out classics.”
Robert Christgau has reviewed albums from artists half his age. I may not agree with him all the time, but that doesn’t make his opinion any less valid.
“A classic album HAS to have that ..special something that makes the masses pay attention and while I noticed some great underground albums touted let’s not forget that if music is great, it will get noticed.”
“The people don’t come because you grandiose motherfuckers don’t play shit that they like. If you played the shit that they like, then people would come, simple as that.” -Shadow
Lord Willin’ was ill even if the subject matter was repetitive–that those cats knocked it so hard lyrically makes it even stronger.
If you wanna keep in this millenium, The Fix–while hyped heavily was a classic joint, no?
i’ll throw some links up soon i as bunr some more joints.
Neva took Ali as angry–M.O.P.–they angry. Ali is juss loud with a lot of swag; but he got lyrics, so i’ll take it.
AG a classic? I dunno, y’all. Was it better than Blueprint or even the Black Album? My Jay standards are kinda high i guess.
I know it’s an older joint (98-ish), but any thought on Illadelphalflife? That’s the other classic Roots album, in my opinion.
What about The Fix?
AG is on par with The Blueprint, not RD. Quote me right Pat…
The Black Album is lyrically lacking a little bit.
Stop subtly bringing me down TC
I don’t even count The Fix as a complete classic b/c some of the beats got stale (even though Face’s rappin didn’t).
Trap Muzik
I’ll throw that out there as an album on par w/The Fix & near classic, minus the same reasons.
Jeezy’s first album.
Blueprint…yeah i’d have to say “classic” easily.
I’m thinkin of albums that, when they dropped, you saw a shift in the ways albums were put together, marketed, sounded, everything.
Going back further…Pete & CL’s shit. EPMD. Show & AG. Brand Nub. Wu. OBCL.
I mean you can name OTHER albums/artists who tried to copy those shits.
And I’d like to say now that Celly Cel’s Heat 4 Yo Azz should be included in all discussions of classics…if I’mma throw in “personal classics.” That motherfucker was a monster.
Jeezy? A Hood classic, by no means a hip-hop classic. You can’t go back to the 90′s and not mention Outkast (ATLiens and Aquemini), De La Soul (3 Feet and Stakes Is High), Slum, GZA, The Roots.
And @ PM, there have been more than 2 5′s this DECADE. Madvillainy is a 5. As well as The Cold Vein (or are we just keeping it mainstream??)
“btw i think saigon and joell ortiz are both overrated as hell. nothing but a couple of second rate whiny ass mixtape rappers. blu and jay electronica are the future.”
wow son are u serious what are u like 15 wit no grasp of hip hop lyrics are major and both of these dudes really hold that down come on b really u can seriously tell me they are overrated papoose =overrated dudes of that nature
I would consider Cannibal Ox’s The Cold Vein one of the last classics to release.
co-sign on “The Fix” as a 5-Swisher joint…
It’s been alot of decent albums and a lot of trash. I think the reason for lack of classic albums is that rap is too business like right now. Everybody tryin to make sales ( rightly so) but in doing that they get away from making a fluid, organic album that flows from one end to another. It just seems like 85% of the game focused on making 3 singles and a bunch of filler with features to make the cd more marketable.
Somebody gonna have to get bold and shake the formulatic albums and give us what we deserve consistently. Fuck these remixes with 30 niggas, and copy-cat rappers. Rap aint dead, but it damn sure aint in good health.
The minstrel show shoulda got 5 loosies IMO