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		<title>By: Donald Greumsfeld</title>
		<link>http://smokingsection.uproxx.com/TSS/2008/01/the-great-debaters#comment-717192</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Greumsfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What no Cam vs 50...  ? (Cam)

Now lets clear some shit up...  KRS murked SHAN...  not the Juice crew.

As a crew...  BDP ain&#039;t got shit on the the Juice Crew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What no Cam vs 50&#8230;  ? (Cam)</p>
<p>Now lets clear some shit up&#8230;  KRS murked SHAN&#8230;  not the Juice crew.</p>
<p>As a crew&#8230;  BDP ain&#8217;t got shit on the the Juice Crew.</p>
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		<title>By: SoZe</title>
		<link>http://smokingsection.uproxx.com/TSS/2008/01/the-great-debaters#comment-716961</link>
		<dc:creator>SoZe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Renegade?

&quot;... i had to hustle / back to the wall, ashy knuckles / pockets filled with a lot of lint / not a cent / gotta vent / lot of innocent lives lost on the project bench / what you hollerin&#039;? / gotta pay rent, bring dollars in / by the bodega, iron under my coat / feelin&#039; braver, doo rag wrappin&#039; my waves up, pockets full of hope / do not step to me / i&#039;m awkward, i box lefty / an orphan, my pops left me / and often my momma was home / could not stress to me, i wasn&#039;t grown / specially on nights i brought something home to quiet the stomach rumblings / my demeanor, thirty years my senior / my childhood didn&#039;t mean much / only rasin&#039; green up / raisin&#039; my fingers to critics, raisin&#039; my head to the sky / BIG, i did it! multi before i die! / no lie / just know i chose my own fate / i drove by the fork in the road and went straight...&quot;

Everybody loves Eminem&#039;s verse because they can&#039;t relate to Jay&#039;s. They hear Eminem talking about problems with his popularity, people protesting, people blaming him for misleading children, and they really buy into that. I love Eminem, I really do. That verse was straight fire, his wordplay was immaculate and delivery was astounding. However, most people don&#039;t understand the maturity of Hova&#039;s writings. They don&#039;t grasp his vivid illustrations, because they aren&#039;t made obvious to those with a poor vocabulary. In this verse, he blames his recklesness on not being &quot;grown&quot; as we all have done when making childish mistakes in our teens, but acknowledged that he was in a poor situation that forced fast adjustments to his behavior: &quot;my demeanor, thirty years my senior&quot;. That lyricism is what makes him the god MC, but people don&#039;t see it. The don&#039;t appreciate his use of the English language that has established him not only as one of the greatest rappers, but one of the greatest writers of our time. I&#039;m not going to sit around and break down the whole verse, if what he says goes over your head, then it goes over your head. The general public will relate to Eminem here, but someone who&#039;s been in a true back to the wall situation identifies with Jay-Z immediately and embarks on a trip down memory lane.

On &quot;Renegade&quot;?
Young Hova &gt; Slim Shady</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Renegade?</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; i had to hustle / back to the wall, ashy knuckles / pockets filled with a lot of lint / not a cent / gotta vent / lot of innocent lives lost on the project bench / what you hollerin&#8217;? / gotta pay rent, bring dollars in / by the bodega, iron under my coat / feelin&#8217; braver, doo rag wrappin&#8217; my waves up, pockets full of hope / do not step to me / i&#8217;m awkward, i box lefty / an orphan, my pops left me / and often my momma was home / could not stress to me, i wasn&#8217;t grown / specially on nights i brought something home to quiet the stomach rumblings / my demeanor, thirty years my senior / my childhood didn&#8217;t mean much / only rasin&#8217; green up / raisin&#8217; my fingers to critics, raisin&#8217; my head to the sky / BIG, i did it! multi before i die! / no lie / just know i chose my own fate / i drove by the fork in the road and went straight&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Everybody loves Eminem&#8217;s verse because they can&#8217;t relate to Jay&#8217;s. They hear Eminem talking about problems with his popularity, people protesting, people blaming him for misleading children, and they really buy into that. I love Eminem, I really do. That verse was straight fire, his wordplay was immaculate and delivery was astounding. However, most people don&#8217;t understand the maturity of Hova&#8217;s writings. They don&#8217;t grasp his vivid illustrations, because they aren&#8217;t made obvious to those with a poor vocabulary. In this verse, he blames his recklesness on not being &#8220;grown&#8221; as we all have done when making childish mistakes in our teens, but acknowledged that he was in a poor situation that forced fast adjustments to his behavior: &#8220;my demeanor, thirty years my senior&#8221;. That lyricism is what makes him the god MC, but people don&#8217;t see it. The don&#8217;t appreciate his use of the English language that has established him not only as one of the greatest rappers, but one of the greatest writers of our time. I&#8217;m not going to sit around and break down the whole verse, if what he says goes over your head, then it goes over your head. The general public will relate to Eminem here, but someone who&#8217;s been in a true back to the wall situation identifies with Jay-Z immediately and embarks on a trip down memory lane.</p>
<p>On &#8220;Renegade&#8221;?<br />
Young Hova &gt; Slim Shady</p>
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		<title>By: Cell</title>
		<link>http://smokingsection.uproxx.com/TSS/2008/01/the-great-debaters#comment-716874</link>
		<dc:creator>Cell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 04:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^^^Eminem....thats not even a debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^^^Eminem&#8230;.thats not even a debate.</p>
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		<title>By: franchise</title>
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		<dc:creator>franchise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just putting one of my debates out there...

Better Freestyler

Eminem or Snoop

NWA Ice Cube or Solo Ice Cube</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just putting one of my debates out there&#8230;</p>
<p>Better Freestyler</p>
<p>Eminem or Snoop</p>
<p>NWA Ice Cube or Solo Ice Cube</p>
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		<title>By: valhalla</title>
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		<dc:creator>valhalla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jay &gt; em... content over style

but liquid swords vs cuban links</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jay &gt; em&#8230; content over style</p>
<p>but liquid swords vs cuban links</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay Dilla vs Madlib?

Serch vs Pete Nice?

Hammer vs Vanilla Ice?

Gucci Mane vs Jeezy?


try to answer these...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay Dilla vs Madlib?</p>
<p>Serch vs Pete Nice?</p>
<p>Hammer vs Vanilla Ice?</p>
<p>Gucci Mane vs Jeezy?</p>
<p>try to answer these&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Major</title>
		<link>http://smokingsection.uproxx.com/TSS/2008/01/the-great-debaters#comment-716744</link>
		<dc:creator>The Major</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Head Ice &gt; Jay Z

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=head+ice

No Doubt Son!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Head Ice &gt; Jay Z</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=head+ice" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=head+ice</a></p>
<p>No Doubt Son!</p>
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		<title>By: The Major</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Major</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gucci Mane </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gucci Mane</p>
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		<title>By: one.eye.deer.</title>
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		<dc:creator>one.eye.deer.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh yeah,

Nas.. like someone said, &#039;Ethered&#039; became a slang term, so it&#039;s obvious. 

Em... his track. Jay got ambushed, BUT that was at the height of Em being on top of his sh*t.

BDP.... He let the big boys (Kane &amp; G. Rap) stay sleeping though. Good move. Kris hit the crew w/ the grimy.

LL... Kool Moe&#039;s day had already passed. Jack The Ripper and it was a wrap

Biggie... dudes kept one eye on Big cuz he was a trend setter. Single-handedly perfected the formula for an album on Life After Death that cats still adhere to.

Cash Money... BG was the x-factor

Love Below... Dre said &quot;fcukally&#039;all&quot;... and won.

Shante

Can-I-Bus.... LL was already way on the decline getting his lips right</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh yeah,</p>
<p>Nas.. like someone said, &#8216;Ethered&#8217; became a slang term, so it&#8217;s obvious. </p>
<p>Em&#8230; his track. Jay got ambushed, BUT that was at the height of Em being on top of his sh*t.</p>
<p>BDP&#8230;. He let the big boys (Kane &amp; G. Rap) stay sleeping though. Good move. Kris hit the crew w/ the grimy.</p>
<p>LL&#8230; Kool Moe&#8217;s day had already passed. Jack The Ripper and it was a wrap</p>
<p>Biggie&#8230; dudes kept one eye on Big cuz he was a trend setter. Single-handedly perfected the formula for an album on Life After Death that cats still adhere to.</p>
<p>Cash Money&#8230; BG was the x-factor</p>
<p>Love Below&#8230; Dre said &#8220;fcukally&#8217;all&#8221;&#8230; and won.</p>
<p>Shante</p>
<p>Can-I-Bus&#8230;. LL was already way on the decline getting his lips right</p>
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		<title>By: Thugnificence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thugnificence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pushing 200 comments TSS is MAJOR!!!

cosign original statement: Ether and Speakerboxxx

can&#039;t choose for Prince vs Rick James Prince for Fucking, Rick James for &quot;Muthafucka I was Partying&quot; word to chappelle 

Much Respect to the originator BUT Watts over Screw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pushing 200 comments TSS is MAJOR!!!</p>
<p>cosign original statement: Ether and Speakerboxxx</p>
<p>can&#8217;t choose for Prince vs Rick James Prince for Fucking, Rick James for &#8220;Muthafucka I was Partying&#8221; word to chappelle </p>
<p>Much Respect to the originator BUT Watts over Screw</p>
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