
Fiascogate has gotten completely out of hand.
He said, he didn’t say. Everyone commenting. Mentions of lawsuits. Slander. Libel. Defamation of character.
Jeez Louise.
Outside of what’s already been stated by more eloquent & accredited folks…
1.) The older statesmen of Hip-Hop have to understand that there’s a generational gap in Hip-Hop. Somewhere, there’s a kid just as Hip-Hop as anyone else. And that kid has never heard “The Message.” It’s possible and that kid shouldn’t be stoned out of the community simply because of that. Everybody did not grow up listening to Hip-Hop in the park or hearing Stretch & Bobbito or Frankie Crocker spin the hits.
2.) Young Hipper-Hoppers might do themselves a favor grab some older mixes like Flex’s mix from July 4th and be slightly familiar with some of the dusties these 35 year olds spazz out over. Just like I’ve made it my duty to become acquainted with Jackie Wilson and Sam Cooke because my dad swears they’re the truth, you have to reach back and listen to see why Big Daddy Kane and others even get honored by VH1.
3.) Lupe prolly should’ve pulled a Marion Jones, admitted his guilt and reversed his statement while backpedaling. To take it a step further, he could’ve had the cameras follow him to the stores while he bought all the whole Tribe discography on disc. Even the crappy Anthology disc.
While others bash & espouse their beliefs as the gospel, the TSS Crew figured instead of damning the dark, we’d spark a match by shining light on a few albums Lupe might have also ignored during his comeupance on the Westside of Chicago’s mean streets. We like Lupe & we feel it’s our duty to be a help, not hindrance.
So we got together, put together a few albums we figured he may/may not have listened to…and developed our odds system regarding it.
A Tribe Called Quest – Low End Theory
20:1
Considering that he hasn’t listened to Midnight…, then I’m guessing he hasn’t heard the precursor and the one that opened critics eyes to how dope these boys truly were. Previous to Low End, the were just members of the Native Tongues who did that funny song about a wallet. Once Low End dropped, people started taking notice.
The Jungle Brothers – Done By The Forces Of Nature
150:1
If son hasn’t listened to Tribe, I’m taking bets that the more eccentric JBz didn’t make it across his radar either.
Anything out of the Ultramagnetic MCs catalog (Minus Tim Dog’s Penicillin on Wax)
Off bet
Anyone who fucked with this bet would have to be the village idiot who’d buy some oceanfront property in Arizona. If a newb were to dare give anything out this group’s material a listen, they should most likely start at Critical Beatdown…because that’s about as close to “normal” as they get…but we love them anyways.
Gerrado – Mo Ritmó
1:2
Since Lil’ Lu finds that Hammer is more appealing than Tribe, he probably was fascinated by Hammer’s Latino counterpart too. Who needs “Award Tour” when you got “Rico Suave,” complete with a video featuring taco meat on his chest!
P.S. – Hammer’s blogging now.
Nas- It Was Written
1:1
Dude said this album was 17 Mics. Surely, he’s listened to it.
Kid Frost – Hispanic Causing Panic
1:2
West Side has it’s fair share of Hispanics and since Lupe’s “street influenced”…
The Beatnuts – The Beatnuts
10:1
Hip-Hop enough for purists and hardcorrific enough for the hard rocks. Cats from the South Side of Chi put me on to this joint.
Goodie Mob – Still Standing
15:1
Obviously a steady diet of gangsta rap molds young’ns into a skateboardin’, thought-provokin’ lyricist so my money’s on Lupe passed on Goodie Mob’s sophomore truimph. Note to Lupe: “Beautiful Skin” came waaaaaay before “Sunshine.”
Odds on Dave Chappelle kicking his fucking ass
3:1
How’s this matter? Not sure. There’s just something that says Dave’s a heavy Tribe fan who is appalled by all of this.

I ready the OkP post…at least you all are taking a “helping hand” kinda outlook on this. Cause they were BRUTAL. But although I like Lupe…I AM on the appalled (sp) side of this because I guess I thought everyone has DAMN near the entire Tribe catalog…I’m just saying. How could you NOT know?? (i may be ramblin..Loratab will do that, but you get the gist…)
this actually came out alot funnier than i thought it was in the planning stages.
I dont really get the fuzz about this, me myself has never been that interested in ATCQ… I cannot believe everybody is feeling so strong on the subject. Seriously, I’ve been listening to hiphop since ’90 or something, but I grew up with NWA and that side of the story. ATCQ wasn’t really in the picture. But I’m from Sweden, maybe the climate in the US was different…
know ya history folks…P..ree..odd
I’m not feeling any animosity for him at all. I don’t think it has any sort of influence on the way i think about Lupe’s music at all. He’s still the same artist.
BUT…In my opinion anyone who doesn’t know the words to every single ATCQ song from their first three albums should be lined up in front of a wall and shot.
Just kidding, but seriously, if you don’t know ATCQ, thats probably the reason why you’re all on someone like Soulja Boy’s dick, or whoever the flavour of the month is at the moment.
Exclusif
http://www.zshare.net/audio/417718231a89db/
KRS One – Our philosophy
http://changetolink.com/EzkwV
I think the closeminded elitist attitude that most people are taking with this is absolutely ridiculous. Music is such a personal thing that has a different meaning, and ties to a different experience for each person. So for you to know that then have a nerd-gasm because someone isn’t ATCQ fan is crazy to me.
I’m a Cali-boy, born and bred. I was raised on Too Short, The D.O.C., Ice Cube, E-40, Digital Underground..etc etc.. I swear to you people wern’t checking for ATCQ in my neighborhood. I mean sure we knew who they were, what hip hop fan wouldnt? But as far as knowing all their songs by heart and shit…. nah….
Yes, of course because we like one of the best groups of all time we are ‘nerds’ and partake in the getting of ‘nerdgasms’.
If you weren’t checking for ATCQ, thats your loss, mate. But surely if you know of ATCQ’s reputation and status at least you’d know that its hardly an ‘elitist’ attitude to feel a little disappointed if a major rap artist , not only that but a major LYRICAL rapper doesn’t know the words to the particular song he’s performing.
I actually don’t care whether he’s lisyened to them or not to be honest, but its just a little silly for him to perform ANY song when he doesn’t know the words, regardless of whose music it was. I think whether you hold ATCQ on a pedestal or not is irrelevant really. The major thing here, if its even a major thing, is that he came out to perform a song and didn’t even have a clue what he going to say. If a teacher did that, for example, he’d just get sacked. Now I’m not suggesting that he should get much consequences, but he should have a bit of fucking fundamental intelligence to be prepared for the damn song you’re about to perform.
this actually came out alot funnier than i thought it was in the planning stages.
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O’ye of little faith lol.
I ain’t sure it was supposed to really be funny though lol.
As a listener, nah he didn’t have to listen to Tribe as far as I’m concerned.
As an artist & someone supposed to be honing his craft (and paying tribute to them), it might not have hurt to brush up on their mat’l a little more, lest he be paying homage to artist who _________ (insert some gruesome crime or some shit here).
Yeah but in lupe’s defense wasn’t Kanye supposed to perform that song? Wasn’t it last minute that Lupe was asked to perform that song and learn it???
What this is also about, is people longing for 1993 in Hip-Hop (Midnight Mauraders couldnt even take album of the year because of 36 Chambers). It was the middle of the Renaissance where multiple 5 star albums were being released every year. People have been looking for that Second wave, and many, including me, have been hoping that Lupe would be an artist capable of producing new music that reaches that old level.
So when people hear him act dismissive of Tribe, they realize that Lupe doesn’t give a fuck about creating a new hip-hop golden age. He cares about making music for him, being a star, and pimping F and F records. So its a bit of a heartbreak.
Beyond that though, here’s what I take out of it.
1.) I can’t believe he has never heard MM all the way through. If I was talking to any person who liked any rap song, I would recommend they listen to MM. I think he may be full of shit on this one, but if he likes rap music, I think he should take a listen.
2.) Even if he hasn’t listened to Tribe or thinks Q-Tip sucks, it shouldnt change how fans anticipate his album. Its the music he (and others) make that can start the Second Renaissance. Nothing else.
3.) He handled it really really poorly. Famous people can be moody, dumb, and insecure. Just the way it is
I’m getting a late pass on this, because I don’t follow this type of crap, but is this all because he fucked up the Tribe lyrics on VH1? Was it that big of a deal??
Listen, I’m a big Tribe fan, I bought all of their releases at the time they came out and have listened to them more times than I can recall, and I don’t have all the lyrics memorized. I love Gang Starr, have all they shit, still don’t know all the words. Same with most artists I follow. Thats shit should not be a reflection on a fan. The kid’s human, he’s on stage with material he’s not all that familiar with, can we cut him some slack, please? You Hip-Hop snobs really need to calm the fuck down,
Great post. Something important that I think the Hip Hop community needs to learn is that when young people haven’t heard some of the roots of Hip Hop, we shouldn’t criticize or hate on them. We should, as you said, shine the light and enlighten them to some good music instead of dismissing them and being cranky old pious folk. At the same time, the youth needs to take more steps to respect the roots of Hip Hop and not be closeminded.
who cares next story….
anyone have any idea what kinda t-shirt he’s wearing in that pic? it almost looks like they just screenprinted a banksy piece on to a shirt.
@ Patrick M. ^^^
well put.
This whole, ”F’ what happened yesterday, may man down the skreet just invented the wheel’ mentality is nothing new…
I used to hear Lupe’s stuff and be like, ‘yeah, dude’s nice, but he’s missing that certain *something*… couldn’t put my finger on it…
but after all of this ‘Fiasco-gate’ (yuck) stuff, the reason makes a little more sense…
As a self-proclaimed hip-hop elder statesmen//faux historian, I’ve seen cats who were supposedly ‘the NICEST’ come and go for many years now…
It’s ALWAYS been the cats who had respect for the past greats, and closely observed and studied things like stage presence, crowd participation, breath control, etc., who have lasted more than an album or two…
Now that there are a million so-called record labels and a million more ‘MC’s'… er, ‘rappers’, anybody can mumble something in their basement, put it on MySpace, and think they’re the best who ever did it…
Get a grip. If LaDanian can watch tapes of Jim Brown to learn something to incorporate in his game, a lot of new artists can benefit from hearing A Tribe Called Quest, EPMD, etc…
^^^ and FOR THE RECORD, and for the last time, it’s not about Lupe forgetting the lyrics per se…
Shtt happens…
Beyonce bust her AZZZ, woke up the next day and was still ‘THAT CHICK’…
whatever…
I don’t think most of us ‘snobs’ (you damn right!) had a problem with that…
it was the supposed/speculated/misprinted arrogance that followed.
hE’s suing vibE so a lot of this shit is falsE and whatnot. hE not arrogant, hE’s just rEal. i rEspEct that. i dont carE what hE has listEnEd to, hE is still a bEast, and i am still buying his album in novEmbEr.
pEacE.
Marion Jones was gonna sue somebody for slander too. Let’s see what happens…
Once again, forgive me for not knowing the full details, but this is the chronology as far as my uninformed ass can piece it together:
Lupe effs up ATCQ lyrics on VH1
He gets crucified by all the keep-it-realers, purists, snobs, and suburban commandos (mostly on the internet) who probably questioned his realness, down-ness, and Hip-Hop-ness.
Upset that his Hip-Hop and musical credibility has been questioned, Lupe busts off on some ignorant shit.
Am I close? If so, knowing which side or the imaginary (and ridiculous) Hip-Hop line he stands on, I gotta side with Lupe on this one. We know what type of music he makes, he knows where his heart is at. I’d be pissed too and would send a nice, gift-wrapped ‘fuck you’ to all these damn geeks.
i not bothered about the whole thing really. i dont for one minute think that he is the only one. but if the shop boyz had done it no one would be bothered. Lupe says he was a spice 1 fan growing up. so with that sort of influence i would be rather surprised if he couldn’t quote a line or 2 from cube’s Amerikkkas….. album. imma still buy the cool when it drops….and most of the heads doing all the trash talkin’ will too.
……so he f’d up some lyrics. he only sounded off when peepz started using the incident to question his hip hop credentials. the fact that those same internet heads were celebrating food & liquor when it was released means that there talkin out they ass anyway. i’d be saying fuck em all too
i personally think it’s hillarious how upset people are getting over this..how fucking arrogant is it to think that everyone grew up listening to or was influenced by the same thing that you grew up on?
Lupe never heard “Midnight Marauders”? WHO THE FUCK CARES!!! He’s still ill regardless y’all. Pusha T from the Clipse said he absolutely loves Tribe, and in his hood when he was coming up cats respected their shit but couldn’t necessarily relate to it. I think thats’s what it comes down to, Lupe may not have heard any of Tribes’ shit but he probably respects it. For the record I only have Midnight Marauders, Beatz Rhymes & Life, and The Love Movement from Tribe, am I as bad as Lupe too??!!
I don’t even get why the fuss is over MM.
Low End Theory was much better.
Lupe is Lupe… he’s from Chi-town… Tribe is basically from NYC if you think of it… my friends from Chi-town didn’t grow up listening to Tribe so why would anyone think that Lupe did? (I’m from NYC and have every Tribe album even the imports)… yeah he should have brushed up on the lyrics for performance purposes.. and maybe he could have handled the situation better… oh well!!… still buying his disc when it comes out… he’s definitely offering up better music than ALL of these Crank That addicts!!!…
PS – maybe he should have Q-Tip on his album, even produce so everyone can shut the f— up about this already!!!
I hear the talk that is behind closed doors.
And from what I am hearing…
He killed his career [for now].
People do not wish to believe that things are so political and shady.
That it will not and should not matter.
Those people need to call this #:
4080
All because he handled the situation very (very) poorly.
(And it is sad)
Those in his corner should not be. A most promising emcee came off as ignorant [in his responses].
“Dumb It Down?”
Indeed.
This is another big comment that will probably get looked over but look from the CRS blog involving it all. For those of you who wonder what really is going down with this all and about all this lying being in print left and right.
I present you with the truth:
Fiascogate Is Over…
Thanks to all the message boards, sites, radio djs and bloggers – it’s been a long week! Don’t believe everything your read folks! Q-Tip and Lu have spoken to each other today, might actually go on tour with each other top of the year and Tip is even gonna be involved in a major way with the CRS project…suckas!!!
http://childrebelsoldier.wordpress.com/2007/10/11/fiascogate-is-over/
http://www.thebarbershopblog.blogspot.com
This site has a real interesting take on the Lupe situation. Made me go and read all the other blogs.
I really feel The Barber’s point that Lupe is even more overrated than Tribe is. Son is straight wack. I always felt that way, now I have concrete evidence.
To be real, ATCQ wasn’t getting any spins in my neck of the woods. That’s not what was hot around here. And regardless of how many spins it might have gotten in other communities, my community wasn’t embracing that.
Now granted, as I’ve gotten older, I’ve learned to expand my musical taste and take a listen to the Hip Hop music that was CLEARLY before my time (as I’ve done with other genres from the 80′s, 70′s, 60′s, 50′s; hell, I’ve even reached back to the 20′s), but not everyone is that eclectic. I don’t remember Lupe ever stating he considered himself to be a Hip Hop Know-it-all.
Although the man is in his mid-late twenties and SHOULD know more than he does, to expect him to know anything more than the next casual listener is an assumption on the listener’s part.
I don’t know how he handled the situation because I haven’t followed it closely like that; so on that, I can’t comment. But as for him not knowing the lyrics for HHHA, he should have knew them. Not even for his own education of Hip Hop, but for performance purposes.
Now for the Got’cha, Got’cha: I don’t even listen to Lupe.
I’m just catching up on this, but the whole thing seems really silly. He screwed up the lyrics and said a bunch of stupid stuff while being on the defensive. I love the Tribe and I think they’re essential, but you’re not required to agree.
And for what it’s worth, I’ve always preferred Midnight Marauders to Low End Theory, but that’s just me…