
Words by Matt M.
I really, really wanted to like this album. It seemed like with King, T.I. had hit his stride, and things were looking good. His swagger was undeniable, his charisma oozed out onto every track, and he bobbed and weaved through beats that would leave clumsier, weaker emcees a mess. King was a vision of T.I. ascendant, the underdog having finally clawed his way onto the throne, and he was going nowhere. Until now.
It’s difficult to describe where exactly he went wrong with T.I. Vs. T.I.P. Sure, the idea behind the album is ham-handed, poorly executed and plain idiotic. For the uninitiated, T.I. is the suave, jet-setting, movie premiere-attending part of his personality, while T.I.P. is the rough around the edges, streetwise, drug-dealing hustler that survived the mean streets of the Atl to come up in the hip hop game. Apparently, they’re at odds with each other. It’s like he heard Biggie’s “Gimme The Loot” and thought it would be a good idea to shoehorn his own half-baked identity crisis into that and stretch it out to a full album. It doesn’t work at all, and, in any case, seems to be an afterthought on most of the songs.
Then there’s the production. Where King featured Just Blaze at the tail end of his peak and, lest we forget, the towering, DJ Toomp-produced inferno of “What You Know,” T.I. Vs. T.I.P. has the flimsy stabs at glory of “Big Shit Poppin’” and the fine, but not great, “You Know What It Is.” The latter coasts nicely on a sinister, catchy, fairly minimalist beat, all bass and swirling, chopped up sirens, while T.I. glides nicely over the beat.
There are a few mind-bendingly bad songs scattered throughout the album – check out “Touchdown” featuring Eminem, which serves as a depressing reminder of why everybody does their best to ignore Em post-Encore debacle. Em’s beat sounds like it was recorded in a metal cave – it’s all tinny, barely-there drums and some lazy, lazy synths (or horns – I can’t quite figure it out, which is never a good sign).
“My Swag,” which is the second song with Wyclef Jean on it, is virtually unlistenable. The beat sounds like the soundtrack to some hitherto undiscovered prequel to Beverly Hills Cop (not in a good way though), while T.I. shuns his usually impressive flow, opting instead for a grating sing-song cadence. It’s execrable.
“Show It To Me” features Nelly – ‘nuff said. “Don’t You Wanna Be High” rehashes “Why You Wanna,” without being good and should serve as a reminder to other emcees who feel they have to include a song for the ladies that things rarely work out as planned. “My Type” is the take me serious song on the album, and pales in comparison to another of his similarly themed songs – “Live In The Sky” off King.
Of course, it’s still T.I., and he’s got skills to burn when he deigns a beat worthy of his fullest effort. “Tell Em I Said That” has got an undeniable urgency to it, and brings out one of T.I.’s greatest strengths – his voice. He is able to switch from affable Southern drawl to guttural snarl at the blink of an eye, and he does this to great effect here.
“We Do This” has a vicious beat, courtesy of The Runners, and T.I., unsurprisingly, spends his time flossing, wrapping his voice around the weightless synths while the choral chants in the background grant the track some gravitas. It’s a keeper.
“Help Is Coming” is fine as well – not terrific, but a decent semi-epic banger. Just Blaze cobbles together a beat that sees him reaching for the earth-scorching days of Breathe and Public Service Announcement but falling short, turning in a track notable more for its hints at past greatness than anything particularly noteworthy today. In any case, T.I. uses the opportunity to situate himself in hip hop today. As one of the few marquee rap names left, he may have a point when he says ‘My heart and my soul, where hip hop live at / To anyone who’s ever said hip hop’s finished / it can’t be dead while I’m still livin’ in it.’ Unfortunately, that’s part of the problem on this album – where before he was hungry, he’s now content to rest on his laurels with a disconcerting number of phoned-in performances. Finally, the long-awaited Jay-Z collabo, “Watch What You Say,” though a bit underwhelming, does its job well enough. There’s little pomp in this song – it’s a slow burner, and both emcees spit nicely enough. Jay-Z also throws a few subliminals Lil Wayne’s way, making this, sadly, maybe the most interesting part of the album.
In sum, this isn’t bad enough, like the aforementioned Encore or, to a slightly lesser extent (but not as slight as his defenders would have you think) Kingdom Come, to completely crush you with disappointment. It’s more of a creeping heartbreak. You skip through each song or stupid ass T.I. Vs. T.I.P. skit, hoping you’re going to fall on the “I’m Talkin’ To You,” “Top Back,” or “King” that he has surely got up his sleeves. Alas, nothing comes. He’s taken a big step backwards with this album, and it seems like he got complacent. Up until this, on every album he was hungrier, wanting that respect that he never felt he got. Now he did, and here he’s comfortably ensconced in his throne, flitting his hand at songs that in the past he would have leapt into with gusto, ripping through them and reminding us why we should care about him. It’s disappointing, and we deserve better. Other emcees take notice – the throne’s for the taking now, and it’s clear T.I. is none too concerned about keeping hold of it.
Lil Wayne – Killin Me (Prod by Heatmakerz)
Mela Machinko Ft Pharoahe Monch – Name In Lights
Smitty Ft Rick Ross, T-Pain & Junior Reid – Died In Your Arms [Remix]
Way Down Ft. RZA, Barbie Hatch & John Frusciante
Fabolous – Bossed Up

solid review
I agree with you 100 percent. T.I. dissapointed with this half ass album
listened to the TI album once and i’ve struggled to get through it a second time… he did take a HUGE step backwards. The King was pretty fucking good but where TI vs TIP falters is beats, complacency and he has nothing to say. The whole album sounds to the same.
Watch, T.I.P. will blame T.I. for the wack album on MTV or something.
I disagree (Imagine that lol).
This album has been typical of every album minus Trap. It starts out w/a few strong songs, weak in the middle, comes back strong in the end. Good fast-paced songs, some meager female tracks and the real good reflective tracks (Of which, I told Matt that I thought “My Type” is one of his best to date).
I think the stakes were higher. More people were watching & expecting more & TIP gave more of the same. So for fans, it’s what’s expected, I think.
Just my gettin my .02 in early.
Man, don’t let P see this. She’d flip!
Your review seems like it’s fractious. But you do back it up, so respect is due. I’d have to agree; He didn’t step his game up from its predecessor. Its not better than previous T.I. albums, and doesn’t live up to the hype of “Best of ’07″. Maybe 2008 will bring better T.I.
Haha I just started going through the motions this weekend. I started by skipping big shit poppin’ then slowly but surely I’m only now playing Raw and Watch what you say to me simply to make my subs in the truck go crazy.
The album sucks monkey nuts in my opinion. Easily the worst album of his discography.
He rushed an album out – bottom line.
And what I mean by that is not that it was rushed recording wise, but Clifford should have dropped this album in September – at the earliest. In my opinion, he needed some time to allow people to really want him. King lasted a long time and he ended up dropping other projects, guest appearances, etc. Too much. And to hear him say this about the LP is just… in a word “ridiculous.”
“Not only is it killing all his other projects, he says, but it smashes anything in the current marketplace.
‘The absolute best hip-hop has to offer right now,’ he said when asked to describe his record. ‘This is my best body of work, hands-down, and not only my best album, but it’s the best [hip-hop] album to be dropped in a number of years. You have to go back to Aquemini, All Eyez on Me, Reasonable Doubt, Ready to Die. You have to go back to all those classics to compare this album to.”
Ummm…
No.
“Tell ‘Em I Said That” is amazing though. That’s Atlantic for you. Should have been a single. Who knows, perhaps it will be, but they dropped the ball there.
YEAH REAL I LIKE MY TYPE ONLY IF HE HAD MORE SONGS LIKE THAT !!!!
The album has grown on me over the last couple of weeks, and I even went out and purchased it.
“Tell ‘Em I Said That” stood out to me from the jump. I had that joint on repeat for like 45 mins. at least.
Truly… the middle of the album is weak as hell.
It was definitely missing a few tracks that articles over the last few months said were expected to be on the album.
Wyclef’s production for other artists is hit or miss (in my personal opinion). He missed on T.I.’s album.
Still not as good as “KING”… as a matter of fact, nowhere near it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZlhfMoRVpE
I THINK ON 2008
THE T.I ALBUM will called
T.I.P Present KING²
so u can put this idea on his email box, site fan or myspace official
because it’s real !!!
just FOR THE UNDERGROUND !!! and real hustler hiphop playaz and listennerz
IS BETTER FOR THE LYRICS
because when in europe or other you don’t understand lyrics
the flow and the inspiration is here
and T.I. is a very good rapper !
but it’s really possible that the lyrics are not at the same level with
KING
or URBAN LEGEND, IM SERIOUS …
?? AND EMINEM PRESTATION ON HIS ALBUM
IS GOOD OR NOT ???
HIS EXPLOZ T.I OR NOT ???
AND JAY-Z TOO ????
PEACE
P can see it and digest it. No one ever said the Truth felt good. She can get wit’ me or Kweli (#1 in 07′ bee-oitchsssssssss)
And Gotty I always swear U was gettin’ “My Type” and “Tell Em’I Said That” mixed up. That’s the one right thurrr!!!
I don’t know what you hillbilly niggas are arguing about. All T.I. is doing is keeping Kanye and Com’s seat warm. Haha. Chicago runs this in ’07.
LMAO@ Ronnie. Let’s see what Saigon has to say bout that…
@T.C.
Saigon – Atlantic
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T.I. – Atlantic
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No Saigon Release
“My Type” = my favorite shit on the album. Period. It has the whole lyrics & vibe of that “I may die, but I lived hard” vibe that I love to hear.
^^^ That sound like that bobby v and ne-yo ish…
I’ve anticipated this album since its first press release; I was a HUGE fan of King and thought this album was going to be a contender for album of the year. In short, it isn’t.
To be honest, the most surprising and interesting aspect of this album is not T.I., but rather the neck-breaking production of Timbaland protege, Danja, who produced “Hurt”, “Tell Em I Said That”, and “Respect This Hustle”.
Firstly, I believe that the two former tracks are among the strongest on the album. We see that hunger Matt M. is talking about on them; T.I. hits every syllable perfectly with rhymes that reek of arrogant bravado and raw emotion. I believe this is who Clifford Harris would have you believe is T.I.P., who I believe is a much better artist than his alter ego.
Where this album seriously falters is in the execution of it’s concept. The very title, T.I Vs T.I.P, promises a fight of sorts, a matching of wits or battle tracks. Sadly, instead of making the tracks we all know T.I. is capable of, we had to settle for a bunch of T.I.-esque tracks and a handful of T.I.P-esque tracks that amounted to a subpar whole.
T.I. most definitely still has the swagger and talent to make another King, but he hasn’t done it with this album. I believe he is smart enough to realize what went wrong here and will recover nicely on his next album; hopefully he won’t wait til 2028 to do so.
i read this last week. and i’ve since calmed down. lol.
nah, it ain’t no thing. everyone’s entitled to their opinion. i haven’t been able to listen to it in it’s entirety either. then again, there aren’t many albums i can do that with anyway. even years down the line, i’m still skipping songs to get to my favorites. and i’ll go as far as saying that there’s song on certain albums classified as “classics” that i can’t stand. so um, there.
where’s the “bossed up” joint at from the loosies? i downloaded it and it wasn’t there.
@ Big J
Nice “review.” Pretty much summed it up quite accurately.
I haven’t listened to the album yet. Mainly because I’ve been disappointed with both King and Urban Legends.
But then again, I haven’t been able to really listen to a T.I. CD since Trap Muzik.
He hasn’t topped his Sophomore album yet.
Which is ironic given the ideology about Sophomore releases.
Nice Review. Basically that week of hype was for nothing. lol.
It’s retarded to try and pull this T.I.P. vs T.I. thing in the middle of your career. Like you have to start at the beginning and establish each as separate persona. One of the few mistakes of the album.
Jay.
And that makes the album worse if it’s his typical spill.
If the stakes are higher and people are shedding more spotlight.
than the king Should therefore Bring another game to the people
like Outkast, the kings, who switched styles many times,
and maintained their same flawlessly operated styles, AND..
still kept their sales at a higher plateau.
So why can’t this king do the same? cause he lacks dexterity, open mind,
and ability to change. If he remains stagnant, he’ll fall further than he has already.
LOL. Am I the only one that enjoyed “Show It To Me” (One of his best verses on the album, Nelly spit too), “Do You Wanna Get High” and “Touchdown”?? Those are my three favorite tracks.
The album trumps King (no pun intended). But not as good as his first 3 (personal classics for me).
I put this album ahead of Im Serious and thats about it. I think Trap Muzik was his best too and thats probably because he was hungry. I mean, Im Serious had a first single from the Neptunes who were on a crazy run at the time. He said “L.A. gone and I aint got a deal no mo’, picture that, a ghetto vision aint real no mo’ picture that.” His joint flopped, that ghetto vision imprint went bye bye and so did T.I. from Arista.
Fast forward to the summer of 2003 and Neva Scared drops and I hear “I don’t think he gon make it, not the way he was shivering and shaking on the pavement”, and I said damn, dude IS serious. Trap Muzik dropped and a somewhat humbled T.I. did it. No big budget producers, joints for the females that actually had a purpose and actual songs, not just verses, hooks and beats thrown together.
Fast forward again and T.I. is obviously eating although not literally. Whenever a rapper starts talking retirement look out. It means that their passion isn’t strong like it was when they were climbing to the top, same ish happened with Jay-Z. Maybe gimmicks come with the lack of passion as an act of desperation. Kingdom Come was supposed to be this huge comeback album, TI Vs TIP was this story based album, both failed to execute correctly. Shiiiit. Gotty hook me up with some writing duties!
“KING” is ten times better than this sloppy,not well thought out so-called project with two personas…I thought maybe o.k. just like “KING” I was gonna have to listen twice all the way thru and then respect it..NAH..I kept skipping the same terrible track’s over and over..I can listen to “KING” straight thru wit no skip..This is by far one the worst albums of the year..Im not hatin on T.I.P/T.I I like the dude’s swagger, he tries to bring the best out of the mediocre production..But why put out this terrible shit? I wonder during the track selection,and the final decision to say hey this is it did he really feel”THIS IS IT”?????
2 OUT OF 10 FOR ME MAYNE…..
T.I. plateaued with Trap Muzik, only thing changing after that was his beats. I think dude is too confined in sticking to what he knows and is afraid to try something different, it’s too much of a business for him. To me that is why he will never be great also.
Wow.
So the overall consensus is that the album isn’t amazingly good. That has been my personal opinion for months now, but that is simply one opinion. It’s interesting to hear the same from many others.
Nothing wrong with people being real. It’s necessary and I think it’s great. It only causes artists to give us what they should’ve given us in the first place… their all (which is not what Clifford gave us here).
Hopefully, his disillusion regarding how relevant and great the album is (see my post above with the out-of-this-world quote) will be brought back to reality with the fans, industry, etc., response to it.
He took a step back at a time when he should have obviously been catapulted into Jay-Z type territory.
Sometimes it’s better to be humble. I know it’s part of the Hip-Hop “swag” to be the opposite, but for T.I. to place T.I. vs T.I.P. in a category with classics such as Reasonable Doubt and Ready to Die… that’s just thinking that you’re better than you are before hearing what the folks who give that “classic” status to an album have to say.
Common & Kanye won’t make the same mistake.
^I love Kanye’s attitude but come on, it’s Kanye were talkin about.
Kanye (in my opinion) doesn’t disappoint though. He hasn’t disappointed me at least so… I am expecting great, groundbreaking things. A complete album. I’ve purchased both of his albums so far and I get a lot of my music for free so that’s saying something. In a day and age full of 3-4 solid tracks out of 15, he’s done well.
Id agree with Gotty that people got their expectations up too high for this album, but what bothers me is that T.I. is to blame for that as much as anyone. Not only has he spent the past few years telling us how he’s king, but I think it was his XXL interview the month before the album dropped, where he was saying how he thought TI vs. TIP was on the same level (if not better) as Illmatic, Reasonable Doubt, etc.
Anytime you start putting your upcoming album on the same level as those classics, you better be DAMN sure it can hold its own for the time being and years to come.
I think his main problem is he just isn’t quite complex enough to carry a whole album effectively (much less a concept one). He has undeniable style and swagger, and thats what makes him so appealing on his guest spots and on the radio singles (which is why I chose to write about his guest spots for TI week). As far as albums go, I didn’t enjoy King that much as an album, so I didn’t have high expectations for T.I. vs. T.I.P.
My favorite T.I. moments are when he’s just being flashy and showing off, because that’s what he’s best at, and he can express why he’s so cool with dozens of flows, but I just can’t enjoy a whole album of someone just based on their style (unless its Doggystyle, but those beats are armor plated).
Anon. covered that XXL quote I’m talking about in Comment #9, sorry for not catching that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZlhfMoRVpE
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Inspiration NYC big L, big pun, nas, …
F.L.O.Win’ !!!
Another disappointing album in a row from TI.
Shit had me shaking my head. He seemed like he rushed through the album. Too many songs with fast rapping on it. That style doesnt suit him. Outta 5 i give it a 2.5. I grade TI on a harsher scale since he say he the KING and i personally think he got better material in him than this.
Sad to think his best album the last 3 years was the Leak Mixtape he did with Drama.
I think T.I. actually shows on this album that he is very consistent, he can rap equally well over a super banger (“what U Know”) or a terrible terrible beat. (My Swag or the Em joint.)
If you are going to release the album or the year, and going to collaborate with the top artists in the game, you can’t release the half-assed tracks, unless you are prepared to kill it. I think the lesson here is T.I. is not a good enough rapper to carry half-assed beats. Whether that’s due to lack of hunger or lack of talent, or simply not being in tune with what people want to hear, who knows.
Not trying to Start Shit.
But Gotty is part of the problem. Over Saturation and Over-Exposure of an artist weakens them greatly and that weak tired people out completely and the album was disappointing like if Lebron Came Out his first year and played like Kwame Brown’s Career ya know. Just Do one or maybe two articles and then let the album speak for itself. Not three weeks of posts and Hype. It was way to much for an average Emcee.
I feel like people are over looking the production made by Danja, like Big J mentioned before, Danja, protege of Timbaland made some hot fire songs. Hurt, and Respect This Hustle, are the best songs on this album to me, after the singles
Haaa. I wouldn’t blame Gotty myself. Those T.I. posts were kinda major, I cant be mad. I know what your saying, when you hear all this hot ish from an artist then you hear the album and it don’t live up to your personal expectations it disappoints you.
Despite what I wrote earlier, the album grew on me since the 1st listen. I kinda understand how it is hard to live up to expectations when your caking and your not in the same frame of mind you were when you didn’t have anything. “Da Dopeman” is one of my favorites on the album but an album full of them wouldn’t have made sense. So I think we are seeing the growth of an artist, ugly as it may seem now, I think T.I. will be better for it.
I cosign the stuff about the production. Danja is gonna be a problem, especially if Timbaland does decide to take a break. His sound is fresh.
“So I think we are seeing the growth of an artist, ugly as it may seem now, I think T.I. will be better for it.”\
Of course he will be better for it. Hopefully he realizes some people aren’t on his dick and will take things for what they are. Dude overrates himself and that is dangerous, now hopefully he realizes he can’t put out some bullshit and expect us the fans to fall for it in a way.
bang on rude boi
Yea. He Overrates himself…and the effect trickles downward.
But Gotty is part of the problem. Over Saturation and Over-Exposure of an artist weakens them greatly and that weak tired people out completely and the album was disappointing like if Lebron Came Out his first year and played like Kwame Brown’s Career ya know.
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Enh…
Just Do one or maybe two articles and then let the album speak for itself. Not three weeks of posts and Hype. It was way to much for an average Emcee.
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Average?
One or two posts?
Point taken. But in rebuttal I have to say that TI week was gonna happen either way. Same w/Nas, Wayne & Geto Boys.
“Oversaturation”? Perhaps.
Did we enjoy it? Hellmotherfuckinyeah.
So do we regret it? Nope lol.
And the album bangs in certain aspects & sucks in others. Again, typical TI album lol. I don’t know what cats were expecting.