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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://smokingsection.uproxx.com/TSS/2007/05/take-home-plate#comment-571466</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 02:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Dre did largely not produce &quot;Murder was the Case&quot; (I have the album on cassette... I will pull it out a bit later and specify just how many tracks he contributed. But if memory serves me correct, other producers handled 90% of the soundtrack).

You also must remember that those &quot;down&quot; times that you mentioned, were the periods that Dre was having trouble with the people that he was working with and was working on his own projects (case in point Eazy, Suge - The Chronic &amp; 2001).

His beats have been a bit lackluster in my opinion, but I think that has everything to do with his focus being on Detox and nothing else. I was blessed to be in the studio with him daily during 2001 (of which I have a CD full of unreleased tracks from - Dre would burn them for me constantly - without a doubt the coolest dude in the business... and not simply because of that aspect alone) and The Marshall Mathers LP.

Trust... his focus was definitely not on Game during T.D.A.

(And Em has major issues btw - that ish is not made up)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Dre did largely not produce &#8220;Murder was the Case&#8221; (I have the album on cassette&#8230; I will pull it out a bit later and specify just how many tracks he contributed. But if memory serves me correct, other producers handled 90% of the soundtrack).</p>
<p>You also must remember that those &#8220;down&#8221; times that you mentioned, were the periods that Dre was having trouble with the people that he was working with and was working on his own projects (case in point Eazy, Suge &#8211; The Chronic &amp; 2001).</p>
<p>His beats have been a bit lackluster in my opinion, but I think that has everything to do with his focus being on Detox and nothing else. I was blessed to be in the studio with him daily during 2001 (of which I have a CD full of unreleased tracks from &#8211; Dre would burn them for me constantly &#8211; without a doubt the coolest dude in the business&#8230; and not simply because of that aspect alone) and The Marshall Mathers LP.</p>
<p>Trust&#8230; his focus was definitely not on Game during T.D.A.</p>
<p>(And Em has major issues btw &#8211; that ish is not made up)</p>
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		<title>By: GO14</title>
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		<dc:creator>GO14</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 15:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Game&#039;s production is spotty.

For every &#039;No More Fun and Games&quot; and &#039;Dreams&quot; there are 3 more songs that are bland and quick fastforward material.

As far as Doctor&#039;s Advocate goes it was non-descript. 

For example: The &quot;Black Steel in the Hour of Chaos&quot; Isaac Hayes was boring and lifeless.  The Bomb Squad and Chuck D set more of a mood but Game made it a boring piano loop.

Also, take the cut where I think Will.I.am recycles Baby Huey&#039;s &quot;Hard Times&quot; if you compare the way Game uses it and the way Ghostface used it on Supreme Clientele it is no contest.  Game finds a way to make a classic break boring and dull.

Also, people need to admit that Dre is in one of his down periods.  Like the time between efil4zaggin and The Chronic and time between Murder was the Case and Chronic 2001.

Both gaps had Dre putting out real mediocre material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Game&#8217;s production is spotty.</p>
<p>For every &#8216;No More Fun and Games&#8221; and &#8216;Dreams&#8221; there are 3 more songs that are bland and quick fastforward material.</p>
<p>As far as Doctor&#8217;s Advocate goes it was non-descript. </p>
<p>For example: The &#8220;Black Steel in the Hour of Chaos&#8221; Isaac Hayes was boring and lifeless.  The Bomb Squad and Chuck D set more of a mood but Game made it a boring piano loop.</p>
<p>Also, take the cut where I think Will.I.am recycles Baby Huey&#8217;s &#8220;Hard Times&#8221; if you compare the way Game uses it and the way Ghostface used it on Supreme Clientele it is no contest.  Game finds a way to make a classic break boring and dull.</p>
<p>Also, people need to admit that Dre is in one of his down periods.  Like the time between efil4zaggin and The Chronic and time between Murder was the Case and Chronic 2001.</p>
<p>Both gaps had Dre putting out real mediocre material.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 07:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@GO14 

u do know thats ur opinion and not fact that 
The Documentary was an &quot; overrated album&quot; and that The Doctor&#039;s Advocate was &quot; one completely non-descript and boring&quot; ?! MANY ppl would disagree. Game is far from my favorite emcee but I give him his props. His production is usually always on point and lyrically hes better than most new emcees and alot of older ones that are still droppin albums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@GO14 </p>
<p>u do know thats ur opinion and not fact that<br />
The Documentary was an &#8221; overrated album&#8221; and that The Doctor&#8217;s Advocate was &#8221; one completely non-descript and boring&#8221; ?! MANY ppl would disagree. Game is far from my favorite emcee but I give him his props. His production is usually always on point and lyrically hes better than most new emcees and alot of older ones that are still droppin albums.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 22:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@texastoker

Much of that has to do with Canada&#039;s practices of detaining certain individuals who they deem to be a problem. You would not believe what an associate of mine had to deal with when we traveled their for business. 

Needless to say, he said that he will never return - regardless of if it brings him work or not (which it definitely will).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@texastoker</p>
<p>Much of that has to do with Canada&#8217;s practices of detaining certain individuals who they deem to be a problem. You would not believe what an associate of mine had to deal with when we traveled their for business. </p>
<p>Needless to say, he said that he will never return &#8211; regardless of if it brings him work or not (which it definitely will).</p>
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		<title>By: texastoker</title>
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		<dc:creator>texastoker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 21:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Werd, I&#039;m pissed that his show in Toronto got canceled 3 times..shit like that&#039;ll get ppl pissed fo sho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Werd, I&#8217;m pissed that his show in Toronto got canceled 3 times..shit like that&#8217;ll get ppl pissed fo sho.</p>
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		<title>By: Enigmatik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enigmatik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 20:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s Yummy...and all these tracks are mixtape fodder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s Yummy&#8230;and all these tracks are mixtape fodder.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Howser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Howser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 20:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel you &lt;i&gt;tres&lt;/i&gt;, and &quot;Old English&quot; is my fav track on Doctor&#039;s Advocate as well.

Personally I liked these tracks... (all except for &quot;Around The Way&quot; ft. Keyshia Cole (I see why this was cut from the album).  That ain&#039;t even mixtape worthy. 

... Is that Yummy Bingham on the hook of &quot;Feels Good&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel you <i>tres</i>, and &#8220;Old English&#8221; is my fav track on Doctor&#8217;s Advocate as well.</p>
<p>Personally I liked these tracks&#8230; (all except for &#8220;Around The Way&#8221; ft. Keyshia Cole (I see why this was cut from the album).  That ain&#8217;t even mixtape worthy. </p>
<p>&#8230; Is that Yummy Bingham on the hook of &#8220;Feels Good&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: M.Dot.</title>
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		<dc:creator>M.Dot.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 19:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ostensibly
=========

Ob.
Nox.
ious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ostensibly<br />
=========</p>
<p>Ob.<br />
Nox.<br />
ious.</p>
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		<title>By: tres</title>
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		<dc:creator>tres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 17:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know Game ain&#039;t 100% gully (what rapper is?) and ain&#039;t the best MC, but I enjoy his albums because:

1) the production is always on point.
2) you can tell he takes his pen game seriously.  He works on his rhymes and always tries to say something.  I&#039;d rather have a rapper name drop legends left and right than a rapper who couldn&#039;t name one Eazy-E song.  His flow is decent and he rhymes like he feels it.

&quot;Old English&quot; off Doc&#039;s Advocate is a perfect example of what Game is capable of than most newjack rappers can&#039;t and won&#039;t do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know Game ain&#8217;t 100% gully (what rapper is?) and ain&#8217;t the best MC, but I enjoy his albums because:</p>
<p>1) the production is always on point.<br />
2) you can tell he takes his pen game seriously.  He works on his rhymes and always tries to say something.  I&#8217;d rather have a rapper name drop legends left and right than a rapper who couldn&#8217;t name one Eazy-E song.  His flow is decent and he rhymes like he feels it.</p>
<p>&#8220;Old English&#8221; off Doc&#8217;s Advocate is a perfect example of what Game is capable of than most newjack rappers can&#8217;t and won&#8217;t do.</p>
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		<title>By: B.Lund</title>
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		<dc:creator>B.Lund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 17:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get why some people may not dig Game, but what&#039;s with the hate on Doctor&#039;s Advocate?  That was an amazing album.  Sure he talks a lot about what other people do, but he learned rapping by listening to other people.  He&#039;s been a student for as long as he&#039;s been a rapper, so of course what other people in rap do is going to affect him - he&#039;s a fan that happened to get a huge record and fan base.  

I feel like his music is a really introspective look at the influence that rap can have on a person, and Doctor&#039;s Advocate is a perfect slice of that.  Rap for Game is like normal life for anyone else.  The guys he&#039;s talking about could just as easily be his friends that we&#039;ve never heard of, but specificity is what makes people respond to things.  We all know everything that&#039;s been going on in Game&#039;s life (at least professionally) so we all catch the little references.  It doesn&#039;t matter who he&#039;s talking about, it matter how we can apply that to real life.

That being said, I didn&#039;t really feel any of these tracks, at least the first time around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get why some people may not dig Game, but what&#8217;s with the hate on Doctor&#8217;s Advocate?  That was an amazing album.  Sure he talks a lot about what other people do, but he learned rapping by listening to other people.  He&#8217;s been a student for as long as he&#8217;s been a rapper, so of course what other people in rap do is going to affect him &#8211; he&#8217;s a fan that happened to get a huge record and fan base.  </p>
<p>I feel like his music is a really introspective look at the influence that rap can have on a person, and Doctor&#8217;s Advocate is a perfect slice of that.  Rap for Game is like normal life for anyone else.  The guys he&#8217;s talking about could just as easily be his friends that we&#8217;ve never heard of, but specificity is what makes people respond to things.  We all know everything that&#8217;s been going on in Game&#8217;s life (at least professionally) so we all catch the little references.  It doesn&#8217;t matter who he&#8217;s talking about, it matter how we can apply that to real life.</p>
<p>That being said, I didn&#8217;t really feel any of these tracks, at least the first time around.</p>
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