Written by Drew Ricketts
Months ago, when Lil Wayne made the claim that he was the “best rapper alive” and (gasp) better than Hov, hip-hop fans deemed his declaration brash andspurious. It is incumbent upon the true hip hop scholars to examine his claim because, despite initial reactions, he might be right. Of course, no argument would be complete without defining the conditions for “best” rap and seeking orientation in this growing debate.
Harris Publications columnist Billy Sunday at XXLmag.com has taken up the supercilious position that Wayne is spitting nonsense raps, somehow not worth considering because they are playful and simply rhythmic. Even I was hesitant to give Weezy F. his much-deserved due as “best” because I saw him falling short by the “classic album” milestone I hold so dear. All that aside, Wayne is the best and probably most effective with the form for several reasons.
The first reason for his superiority is his attention to rhythmic pattern and enunciation. Where Billy Sunday views this as an accidental, haphazard choice of flow, I view it as a convicted, inspired turn of words to engage the listener with the beat.
The second reason for his primacy is his attention to idiom: Wayne has grasped how to use the English language for more than a punchline or two — he has defined his own way of speaking and translating common phrases into beautiful music.
The third reason for his eminence is more nebulous but perhaps the most important…Wayne follows in the black vernacular tradition set forth by emcees, griots, narrators and pimps before him. Although modern media would have us believe that black singers and black rappers share no common ground, there is a clear nexus of language and messaging that goes overlooked. Black poets, writers and emcees often use double-metaphors meant to sound casual on first listen but that hold deeper meaning on cross-examination. Jay-Z, for instance, is a master at this. He may say the words in a direct manner but the meanings abound, and this is a purposeful device only employed by virtuosos of language. In a sense, none of Weezy’s words are wasted because he packs each with significance.
In order to properly delineate this argument, I’m using a few of Wayne’s potent “freestyle” and “light” works to underscore how much the “free-form” definition does not apply in his case. First though, I want to return to this definition of “best.” The best rapper must fit a few criteria to claim this position. He must have both a signature flow and that models a recognizable format. In this way, he can be malleable to the expectations of the current era and outlast time by placing his stamp on any era in which he resides. Lil Wayne’s “Fireman” exemplifies his ability to experiment with esoteric and pedestrian flows (it’s a single after all) and surprisingly reaches transcendent heights of lyricism. The third verse especially accentuates his faculty for taking a hidden analogy and bringing it to light almost brilliantly. In it he evokes the analogy of being a complete circle — or cipher, if you will — by drawing on seemingly simple puns:
Ridin’ by myself well really not really
So heavy in the trunk make the car pop-a-wheelie
Who? Weezy Baby or call me Young Baby
My money 360, you only 180
After stripping away the obvious subject matter of cars, girls. jewelry et. al. the circle implied with the words “wheelie” and “360″ is abstract but ever-present. Later in the verse, he explains why he’s “ballin’” (also a circle) by saying he’s “ballin’ by nature” and “addicted to the game like Jordan and Peyton.” The recognizable device of comparing balling to basketball players is meant to lure the casual listener into the rhythm of the song, while the layered circle analogy has been thoroughly dominating the verse. To digress a bit, Nas’s “Hate Me Now” follows a similar form. Naysayers have often lamented this period of Nas’s career for its dearth of introspection or confusing contradictions. “Hate Me Now,” however, suggests that even in making a popular song, a true emcee has admirable awareness of how to conceal his pain and consternation at being a slave to form. Ostensibly the song “Hate Me Now” is about cars-girls-jewelry yet again but the first verse here also defies the topic for deeper stuff:
Expandin more to the big screen, Bill Gates dreams
But it seems you’d rather see me in jail with state greens
Want me off the scene fast, but good things last
like your favorite MC still makin some mean cash
Nas tries to explore the meaning of being good and being accepted by a wide range of people, the ultimate artist dilemma. In the last verse, he departs completely from the real to explain his separatism. The point is that the best emcees have to show their artfulness in rhyme and rhythm using the under-appreciated tools of subtlety. Lil Wayne does it to a tee on “Fireman.”
Wayne also challenges what a rhyme is by twisting syllables for personal use. He has used this as a signature of his style, refusing to submit to standard enunciation if it is detrimental to his rhythm. On “Diamonds on My Damn Chain” (from The Greatest Rapper Alive) his verse is in stark contrast to Fab’s because he is able to take the rhymes ‘I’m’ and ‘mind’ and ‘time’ and convert them with his Southern drawl into ‘name,’ ‘chain,’ ‘thang’ and astoundingly ‘domain.’ The reading here will lose something in translation so I recommend downloading the track to support this study. Again, this twist of accent is no longer accidental when it recurs across freestyle after freestyle. It is almost as if Wayne has realized how much conventional words rhyme only to a certain extent and wants to go well beyond those confines. Innovation is the only solution.
Similarly, among all the “getting brains” similes and “fast car” metaphors are incredibly well-crafted comparisons that elude casual listeners. I’ve listed a few here just from the Greatest Rapper Alive mixtape that illustrate Wayne’s ability to string together a group of metaphors for emphasis:
*Note a true metaphor equates one object to another through the vehicle of comparison.
1. On the “Dead Presidents” remix: ‘No I never choke but I strangle beats/n’ I am just a player in this game we be/so go blame the referee/don’t complain to me…’
2. On “Come Test Us” feat. Charli Baltimore: ‘Young Carter: I’m harder than a cooked quarter / bitch I’m bubblin’ like shook water…’ [simile here but potent image all the same]
Later: ‘I am that n*gga so follow my demonstration/goddamnit I’m in the building, get ready for renovation…’
3. On “Grew Up A Screw Up” freestyle: ‘Deez muddafuckas is slippin’ they betta hold on/ Y’all trippin’ like Cedric and Solange/I flow like I’m head-less NO MIND / I could say DON’T RHYME and it’s gon RHYME…”
4. On “Pump That Bass” freestyle: “Sittin’ in the strip club, never get a boner/only get hard for ‘D’OH!’ I’m Homer/and you’re a simp, son…
5. On “Good Girl Gone Bad” with Devin the Dude: ‘It just eats me up like the Barbecue from Luther’s/in the morning with the shooters/on the corner with the boosters/she’s a fresh CUT and they’re on her like sutures…’
So when Billy Sunday says things like: ‘Lil’ Wayne tries his best to construct a few verses with polysyllabic terms early in the song. Like any nickel and dime emcee he immediately proves that he should stay in the shallow end of the pool instead of trying to come into the deep water’ I have a hard time believing he’s even willing to listen to the substance in these colorful rhymes. If this is nickel-and-diming, what’s emceeing?
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I don’t know about all of that… I’ll concede he’s found his niche, and he’s pretty damn good at what he does, but this textbook-style essay didn’t convince me at all that he’s “the best rapper alive.” His rhymes show that he’s clever, they haven’t shown me that he’s intelligent. Until he can express some wisdom through his bars, to me he’s just gonna be an above-average rapper with an original voice and flow, nowhere near the “greatest.”
^^ Agreed… Don’t get me wrong, he’s one of my favorites to listen to, but “the greatest”, he is not.
Damn you broke that shit all the way down. I think being a southern mc has been the reason why people are reluctant to give him his just due. Pun never said anything uplifting in his rhymes, and he is most def one of the best to ever pick up a mic. Line for line dude is sick.
my thought, is he’s not the greatest, but he has the best chance to be the greatest. he keeps getting better and he keeps pushing his flow. the kid is talented. i think he is getting better the older he gets. he has already proved he is in it to win it, considering when he started how awful he was. every verse is just making me anticipate the next, and i am ready for the drop tomorrow…..hopefully the drought 3 is coming. PLEASE!!!
i’m still not convinced. far from it actually, you can’t be the greatest rapper and have lines like “dr mr. toilet, i’m the shit” or “i’m hot like light” or “i’m on like a tv”, the list goes on.
good read
Youve got to be kidding me.
KRS One is pushing 40 and Gangstalicious cant hold the jock of the guy who hold KRS-1′s jock.
@ Mega
Every rapper has questionable lines. You can’t deny that Wayne is the best of the next generation of MC’s.
lol @ GO14.
Amazed @ Drew’s fortitude in breaking down a rapper’s steez like that, but I do find some merit to what other cats have said. There are countless MCs employing those same techniques, and for every step Wayne takes forward in expanding on his flow, he takes two backwards by dropping the most banal gibberish heard from a rapper of his stature.
He’s interesting to listen to, but I could never rock that shit for more than a few tracks at a time…and definitely not with any regularity.
The greatest? Personally, I don’t think so…far from it.
@ the guys citing the ‘toilet/shit’ lines – what rapper hasn’t dropped some stupid shit once in a while? Just because he’s not hitting you over the head with uplifting verses doesn’t mean he’s not aware of that. Listen to ‘Imagine’, it was posted up on here a little bit ago off the Drought 3. He flips Lauryn’s ‘and then we’ll walk right up to the sun, hand in hand…’ to a more likely ‘we will march right up with our guns, hand in hand, we’ll march right after the drum, but, I don’t mean no band’
He could be spitting that verse over whatever beat he felt like jacking, but he chose the Imagine beat. So there’s intent to make it meaningful, couple it with what the Nas song is talking about, and then set it next to Wayne’s. Granted, it’s just a mixtape joint, so it’s not polished to perfection, but Wayne is really saying something – you just have to be in tune to it to hear it. It’s not just in his words, but in the way he’s saying it, how many words he’s putting into each bar, what kinds of words he’s rhyming – all kinds of shit. He might not be the best, but I think that he’s really ushering in a new kind of rapping.
And maybe that got a little corny, but fuck it, I love Weezy, haha. Great post.
But MadInMil, at some point, Wayne will have to grow up…especially for as long as he’s been in the game.
B.Lund, that was corny as hell (you better not be crying, motherfucker), but I feel your passion. Dudes ride hard for Wayne, so he must be doing something right.
But is there really a new way of rapping, though? I mean, is it possible for cats to still be original with the flow, after decades of hip-hop and thousands and thousands of rappers all working off the same blueprint?
@ Ronnie
Nas is the KING of spit jibberish on the mic. Granted, he also says things that have meaning. I just think people are holding Wayne to a standard, while agnoring other who do similar things. I do feel that he needs to expand his subject matter and tell more stories.
Phonte is the greatest rapper alive.
i dont agree with this, mainly because if you are going to try to defend Weezy in such a formal way, the points have to be much deeper and well explained and have better examples than flowery braggadoccio. im a fan of Weezy, but definetly not enough to do something like this, i dont think he’s that good.
I don’t expect this point to be well-received at first — better if it’s not. What I want to point out (textbook style or whatever) is that we hardly see past the Beats and Rhymes shit to look at what an emcee is doing in that space. Basically, we hear an artist in the mainstream who is appealing to a mainstream audience and then deride him when some of that effort shows (hence my Nas example). So what if he drops in a so-so metaphor? It’s the powerful metaphors that keep an informed follower listening anyway. They are meant to create intrigue and HINT AT another level of performance.
B.I.G. for example, also considered one of the greatest, never pressed to make every line hot but his syllable-dropping and flow-switching kept most on the edge of their seats. I’m examining Wayne’s claim because it’s worth examining, not to cement his status or get into the label-making game.
And yes, there will always be new forms of rap if we keep our ears open to creativity.
i really can’t see why people like wayne. i mean he sounds like he cries on ever record. he says that he’s a gangsta when i pretty sure he’s not. He’s has ghostwriters and he kisses men… fuck i even think hammer was more entertaining then wayne. but thats just me.
it’s kind of odd that a lot weezy f enthusiasts proclaim him to be the best, the greatest, they can’t just be content with wayne just being good. i understand it though since everybody gotta big up their favorite, but even with the break down, i still don’t see the greatness that is lil wayne. he’s good, clever a lot of the time, and has swag for days, but all in all he’s not touching a lot of dudes in the game… one of them you already mentioned. wayne is still without a definitive classic albulm and i know for most that would be a requirement. and even if you were to say that nas spits jibberish, line for line, wayne couldn’t hold a candle to him and that’s not holding him to any special standard.
lmao@grizz, ^feel the same way
side note, read in the papes that girl who pushed that hall monitor is free now
some good news
regardless of whether or not gillie was wayne’s ghostwriter, wayne has fairly tight delivery and flow. wayne’s voice does get strained a lot and i think his jamaican accent is kind of entertaining, but i think that’s all part of what makes him. is he gangsta? prolly not since i doubt he’s had time to roll with g’s like that, but that’s not a requirement. does he kiss men? well, he admitted it, but the only thing that’s shitting on is his image in the hip-hop community, not his actual ability as a mc.
with that said, wayne is nice, but definitely not in the upper echelon.
For a cat that’s really only been in the light since the Listening…which was 2003, I think, Phonte is crazy nice. Definitely a personal favorite, and one of the few rappers I’ll actually check for verses from. The singing, too…the knowledge, the OKP/myspace accessibility…THIS is where the 21st century MC needs to be. Phonte’s a great model. When I think of Weezy, and I think of Phonte, defending Weezy is laughable.
And MadeInMil and other cats, I can understand why you dig Wayne, but to me, he has a lot of growing left to do. I think the one thing all the “greats” had, in addition to the wordplay and whatever, is the ability to uplift…to be socially relevant, because before the sales and videos and shit, this is still a culture and an artform. Yes, rappers are entertainers, but they’re also spokesmen for a generation. Nas is one of the deepest rappers out, and has been since day one…KRS, Jay, BIG, Rakim, Pac, LL (yes, LL) and all the cats considered to be some of the best, were all-around emcees who – to varying degrees, of course – could drop knowledge, silliness, street shit, sex raps, drugs raps, everything. Even underground cats like Ras Kass and Breeze Brewin, or the late Big L are masters in ways that Wayne hasn’t even reached yet (or comes close to, imo).
Like I said before, though, to his credit, Wayne does have a tight following…kind of like the Dips, but no one’s putting them in any GOAT arguments, I don’t think.
See, and this is just my opinion, this shit isn’t just “rapping.” Wayne’s approach is nothing new or ground-breaking. He’s dope at what he does, but there’s a lot of room left for him to evolve into becoming an MC and not just a rapper, which is all he seems to be right now.
I mean, look at the cat in that pic (I’m serious…look at it again). Are you really ready to crown THAT dude the best rapper alive? ;)
But Drew, because all this shit is subjective, we can only assess powerful metaphors in the context of what others do and have done, currently and in the past, respectively. I don’t think Wayne’s hardest-hitting shit stands up next to even some of the lesser lines from cats like Rakim, Posdnuos, Common, etc.
Wikipedia says that Wayne quit school when he was 13. I can’t imagine that he is actually a virtuoso that would not benefit from some additional education.
The voice and the drum are man’s first instruments. Blacks, whites and everybody on the planet does slick shit with the voice box. Think about the tonal stretches that Chinese folks employ when they communicate.
All I ever said was that Wayne isn’t the BEST rapper. He’s entertaining to some people who enjoy the Scatman Crothers-type vocal inflections. Crothers was the harbinger that jazz singers were no longer useful. Wayne brings the same omen to Hip-Hop.
It’s him bitches!
i love smoking section but i must say im appauld that this post. i choose the word appauld because it’s obvious that whoever wrote this column used a more formal and distinguished diction to create something that wasn’t there. Lil’ Wayne isn’t by any means an artist. the motherfucker said he doesn’t even care about hip hop he just wants to make money. on how many occasions has Wayne spit an old verse on a new song. he’ll spit like 4 new bars and the rest of it is old shit. im sick and fucking tired of seeing this “Greatest Rapper Alive” bullshit. Wayne can’t even stay on topic for the most part completely switching to irrelevant topics every few bars. he isn’t a songwriter. thats why so many of his tracks are labeled “freestyles”. i’m not saying that every time he steps on the mic and has to be some deep concept complimented by a sick rhyme scheme, but he can’t write songs. while defining the “best” the author completely neglects qualities that wayne lacks such as songwriting, concepts, ability to adapt. just because he is distinguishable doesn’t make him the best. if all the reasons listed above define the “best” then Papoose(and i don’t even like Papoose) would be just as easy to mention, or a even better choice, Lupe. and by the way, “twisting syllables” to make shit rhyme isn’t “detrimental to his rhythm” or anybody elses for that matter, its simply a fucking shortcut. doing it now and then is fine, because nobody can rhyme perfect all the time, but to compliment and therefore glorify it is not only ignorant, but also injust.
uh ohh, i’m ready. thanks, nice analysis
To me there is a difference between an mc and a rapper Big was the greatest mc Pac was the greatest rapper see the difference.
You can’t compare Wezzy to a Nas or to KRS-ONE. because there is no comparsion.Wezzy a rapper he displayin his skill so you can enjoy your self while you listen. He not Rapper to provok thought hes rappin so you can fun. As far as classic albums Hot Boyz (which wezzy is a member of) ‘Get It How U Live’ is considered a classic in the south. Maybe not to people all across the nation but to those who were living in Lousiana and Texas know what I’m talking about.
@ Ronnie
Wayne is one of Phonte’s favorite rappers. His verse on “Hollywood Divorce” is off the charts. His freestyle over the “Show Me What You Got” beat is classic. He needs improvement in areas, but that talent and continued improvement is undeniable.
I can see that…a cat like Phonte is probably going to check for others to see where’s he’s at himself, and ultimately make himself that much better. Do you think Wayne listens to Little Brother, though? I doubt it…that’s why I give a cat like 50 credit. Say what you want about him, at least he’s a student of the game.
And yes, Wayne’s Hollywood Divorce verse was indeed fire. “In Hollywood, I’m lit-tle Wayne…” That’s my shit.
But you see the difference in the discipline he showed in that one, and the wildness that caused his Show Me… verse to fly off at the end?
I hear what you’re saying, though. Wayne’s only going to get better in time, but first he has to dedicate himself to doing so.
Good read Drew. I’m not a fan; him claiming “greatest” is laughable. He’s an entertainer and has the peoples’ ear @ the moment; even with the points you’ve outlined, he’s still subpar in creativity & lyricism. He has charisma and a particular flow that some may enjoy, but na.
@ Ronnie
What he lacking to me is direction and guidance. We know we ain’t going to get it from Baby. Hopefully this situation with Kanye’s management (Hip-Hop and Gee Roberson) provides that.
Lil’ Wayne has never even got 4 Mics…
@ Ronnie -
Phonte does great things with the form and I’m a fan but is HE approaching the level of say Elzhi or Breez Brewin’ or even Doom (long way to go as well). Phonte is an MC so he’s got more obligations in terms of stamping his style and flow where a RAPPER like Lil Wayne does not have the same kind of formal constraints. I think that’s why Wayne flourishes…because he can dispatch with form and just go scat-crazy, flow-heavy on ‘em and STILL accomplish some of the “MC” shit we sweat so hard.
Note: I didn’t go into the MC-Rapper distinction because it’s too heady for some. There is a difference however. If Phonte, just had to RAP I’m not sure what he’d be capable of but if Wayne had to MC…I think a lot of nominal emcees would be on the lookout.
Just sayin’
DrewBreez
This isn’t a “growing debate” like you state. It has been a rapidly SHRINKING debate. And it’s not that Wayne hasn’t *quite* made a classic album, it’s that he’s not even come CLOSE to having one. Sorry, but you really wasted your time writing that academic essay. I expected more from this blog. Thumbs down.
He’s definitely above average, prolific, and has his own rambling style, but that’s it.
You know, cats took real offense when TI came out hollerin he was king of the south. But when you look @ sales last year, the only cat to sell more than Clifford was…nobody else in hip-hop.
No Wayne is not the best.
Yes, for better or worse, Wayne will be a big part of the future of hip-hop.
My thing is when others started heaping praises on someone, even if I don’t like it, I try to find a way to listen to it to see/hear the appeal that others are seeing/hearing.
& I think a lot of cats who know my dislike for Wayne confuse it. I don’t like dude’s persona or the image he’s sellin. But flow? Yeah he’s up there w/o a doubt.
long live the fucken king.
-mrs. harris
Aiyo & to the cat who said Wayne don’t have a classic, as much as I hate…The Carter was the shit in the whip for a min.
Now that Carter II bs…enh.
straight up…wayne is trash and you know it gotty…lol…that swizz beats song he is on with the “fake jamaican patois” shit is the worse…as i type this that damn Lloyd w/Wayne comes on….that’s his best shit since his Hot Boyz debut or cd’s before Hot Boyz…Kareem RMF!!!
hold on…let me retract my statement…carter II had some joints not heat but joints that i wouldnt fast forward…..weezy “fucking” baby as said by Gillie Da Kid…thats hilarious!!!….Kareem…RMF!!!
He was also apart of Guerilla Warfare which he was apart of. Him and Juve were the standouts on that album.
I hear you, Drew.
Kareem – I aint even replying to most of this shit b/c I’m on my ph plus the game’s still going…but I’ll cosign the mofo’n Carter.
Tomorrow, there will be enough of a buffet for everyone to dibble & dabble in all the Wayne mat’l they want…and then decide.
i have laughed my way thru like 20 responses. phonte? really? i ain’t saying he doesn’t have skill….really?
look i think the article, it was a good read, i enjoyed it. i am a wayne fan. all the shit you guys are saying he doesn’t do (except the classic album) ia have heard him do on the countless mixtapes and albums the boy has done. where is he plugging in verses with other shit? that never happened. the only time i heard him repeat was on rap city and the end of a mixtape, can’t remember which one. fuck it, you guys are smarter hip hop fans than all the people that dig wayne…really? cause everyone knows what you write on a comment section of a web site is what defines all of our worlds.
lol Gotty. Yeah, he’s got a certain swag and flow about him and he’s made some decent tunes here and there, but since you brought TI into the debate, perfect example of: not even close to king of the south, much less GOAT. TI is more the next huge player in this game of hiphop. He brings more of the RAPPER/Lyricist (MC) to the picture, reminescent of Scarface, Outkast, even comparable to Jay-Z. TI’s coming in a different time and he has radio/sales behind him. Its much more than Wayne’s (abstract?/intelligent? raps) or ramblings like I like to say.
I love lil wayne’s music it’s just sometimes it’s repeatative and boring but i think he just doesn’t show out like on every lil thing he does. But when he come out wit some hard shit it b on point you know. But ill never truely think he’s the best rap alive……. i think he just got the most commerical undergroud shit if that makes any sense and who could blame him for sayin such a comment about himself cus if you don’t think it at least he will. lol
1)If enough people say Phonte is the greatest rapper alive, will that make it true?
2)Wikipedia is THE leading authority on EVERYTHING. Word.
I too felt that this post was pulling from thin air. I was reading the lines like WTF? While Lil’ Wayne is nice and has improved, he still can’t even be close to considered in the upper echelon of “emcees.” Rappers? Sure. I’m confused how someone who openly kisses other men on the lips can be so popular. Why is everyone so hypocritical in the hip hop community? Look in the mirror people.
Phonte is, one of the illest out. No questions asked. Creativity, humor, accessibility, and can write from different perspectives and angles. Whether it be blog form or on paper. If others are capable then they would’ve done it by now.
I never said Phonte was the greatest rapper alive. I try not to make singular GOAT statements. They’re just opinions.
And the fact that these comments have gone 50-something replies deep…along with N$’s drops, is a testament to just how much of a reach Wayne has. But Veeg, we’re not smarter hip-hop fans. Real hip-hop fans, maybe, but not smarter.
For me, it’s just that Wayne’s been doing this what, 11, 12 years, and *this* is where is in 2007? He’s muddling along spitting bullshit because he knows people will eat it up.
Dude’s not hungry. If he were hungry, he might actually be somebody. He does his thing, though, and is not without talent, which is more than I can say for a lot of other rappers out there.
wayne is good. perhaps better than good, but not GOAT status. go head with that. it’s like if he says it enough, it’s true?! nah. we’re quick to list the heavy hitters in terms of wayne, but aside from the obvious types (nas, jay, krs), wayne can learn sumn from monch, joe budden, phonte, sean price or even a posdnous. but i guess he’s accomplished his goal in one respect—he got cats talking about him all the time.
some people love dude, some people don’t. at worst he’s relavent. don’t be quick to be callin dude best rapper alive and shit just cuz pac and big are dead and jay and nas are in there 30′s, feel may? sometimes, too, rappers will come into the game with there style whatever and provoke alot of attention–stylus, pitchfork (emo publications) and depth through there apparent ignorance (Killa CAm)–whateva i’m bored
“Wikipedia says that Wayne quit school when he was 13. I can’t imagine that he is actually a virtuoso that would not benefit from some additional education.”
Comment by BILLY X. SUNDAY
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Wayne was not the first artist/musician/rapper to drop out of school and he won’t be the last.
Not everyone who likes him thinks hes a virtuoso or the best or in love with him. We LIKE him. Thats it. You don’t enjoy his music. We do.
K.I.M.
anthony had the best comment 2nd to me.
Lil’ Wayne has 100 albums and none of them have gotten over 4 Mics….
Our even GOTTEN 4 Mics for that matter. It doesn’t mean much but if you’re “THEE” best or even 1 of them, surely there are some sort of undeniable contributions/accolades that everyone has to agree on. Some people feel like Rakim is the best ever, some say he was good, but I’ve never heard anyone say he was wack. I can’t even name a classic Wayne song. He doesn’t have any. People are quick to call out a mixtape song or verse…when did rappin’ over other people’s beats become vital to someone’s catalouge???? I missed that one…
For the record, I was the one who said Phonte was the greatest rapper alive and I was also just kidding when I said it. But if Wayne can be the greatest then why can’t the same be said for Phonte?
RAKIM kills the dude in two sentences :P
somebody said the carter uno was classic status b/c it bumped in the whip. i think that has a lot more to do with the beats than lil wayne if that’s how you are judging it cause imo lil wayne was far better and polished on the carter dos. phonte, on the other hand, has a legitimate group classic and another very solid collabo record. we all know that phonte is talented, but it surprises me that people think so highly of him. going from board to board, i usually see people hating on phonte because of his ego and what not. it’s good to see love for once.
the only reason lil’ wayne could ever be mentioned in GOAT circles is cos the dickhead put and album out with the same title. what the fuck was that all about?!
and i don’t mind lil’ wayne. he has swagger and is mildly entertaining. but i wouldn’t have any problems naming 50 rappers that i think are better than him. a lot better than him.
car doing a ‘wheelie’ and his money ’360′? i’m sorry, but that’s not clever. or related. at all. and if he meant it to be, that’s pathetic.
seriously tho, ndiamonds is still killin it
Weezy aside, it’s the same old problem of taking an over-academic approach to writing about hip-hop. the shit is dead on the page, while the music is so alive – you can’t persuade by breaking down metaphors. I could point out how trite many of Jay-Z’s lines are, but people still love him. It’s beyond analysis or at least this kind of analysis. Still more readable than Dave Tompkins, however.
Im feeling the person who said that Phonte is the best rapper alive right now and thats real talk…that dude is just nice and you cant front AT ALL…Kareem..RMF!!!
more like the greatest mediocre rapper, no one touches his mediocracy
weezy has to be nice when he evokes so much hate phonte please
Wayne is a hot rapper. He might not be the most lyrical rapper, but right now he is the best commercial rapper out. That is what Jay-Z is heralded as because IMO BIG is the best lyrical rapper ever. Jay Z can put out hot garbage and it will still go platinum. The same can be said for Wayne right now. However, Jay Z is from the Mecca of Hip Hop being NYC so he will always be loved by East Coast fans. Wayne, on the other hand attempts to model himself after Jay Z as a southern rapper and he receives nothing but hate. With him labeling himself as the Best Rapper Alive this only added to the hate that Wayne receives from the East Coast. Wayne will never be labeled the best rapper because the East Coast, more specifically New York will always be looking for one of their own to hold this spot. However, IMO right now Wayne will be scrutinized as a rapper because he is closer and closer to the thrown of being the best commercial rapper in the game. This leaves NYC harboring strong feelings of discontent and odium towards Mr. Hip Hop of 2007, Lil Wayne.
Umm I can’t lie…i like wayne’s freestyles, but his actual songs do not grab me and mmake me say “Damn” this nigga is my favorite. He needs to go past the surface and speak on shit that matters on his songs. Why is it that Jay-Z did a song on New Orleans before Weezy did.
Now i will say weezy got a swag out this world. His dress is clean, his voice is nice for music, his flow is nice…but his substance lacks. I mean i honestly think one of the best songs wayne did was “Fuck the world”…this is where he talks about issues…substance & swag make you the shit.
But now all weezy talks about is money, money, money, e-pills, and a lamborghini…Just like any other rapper who talks about the exact same thing on every song…I start to get sick of them…Sometimes I sit back and say “Damn, that was a cold line/verse” and then other times i say “Stopppp, that punchline was corny/not nice.”
Here’s a metaphor “Weezy Baby 80′s baby daddy ain’t a newborn, so why he kiss the’baby’”
Jay-
That’s not true. To be the best commerical rapper you gotta sell out concerts with YOU being the headline, sell boocoo records, have fans in Japan and shit, and have like the number #1 video. I’ve never seen Wayne do all of those in one summer, yet Jigga man does this often…
I’m done.
haha. i just wanted to make it 74. Weezy tight. I look forward to him getting better.
Lame. Overexplaining a wrong point… Ronald Reganesque.
NOt sure who worte that crap about the Dear Mr Toilet line but when you break it down its actually a fire line….
Dear Mr Toilet…Im the shit
Got these other haters “pissed”
Cuz my toilet paper thick…
First being the shit is obviously the goal or “hot” but at the same time you haters are the opposite or just “piss”. Which is both meant to degrade the hater as less than the shit but also being “pissed” or salty about it. Then he wraps it up with his toilet paper or money is thick….That is one of the hardest lines of the track if you can’t feel that you can’t feel rap .Cant someone dare to say something differently. I think that was a very creative way of saying something that you gonna hear in every rap song that comes out these days
OMG half of the people who post on this thread can’t even qoute lil wayne’s songs cuz half of the people on this thread don’t bump em. So that being said you have no right to pass judgement. Jay said it the best i bet most of yall from New York and will never claim a Southern rapper to be the best. Most people from Nyc will agree with the qoute The South Killed Hip Hop. Cuz hip hop is dead right nah IT’s NOT its just Evoloution and the south is the Revolution and WEEZY F BABY IS FUCKIN FUTURE. Weezy F is a new breed of rappers. I call them D.S.L.R Down,South,lyrical,Rappers (Which would include artists such as T.I, Luda, Jeezy, n many more. You can not compare these artist to mainstream M.C’s because there in a league of there own. Listen Weezy f freestlyes on all his shit, and hes a character soo he clowns alot so he may not come hard on everyline. But when he gets serious he does his thing. How many People be tryin to Make It Rain in the clubs now, and yet he can’t be called great. I mean did u hear the remix to make it rain.
Blat,blat,blat,blat hey joe uh let me get’em/
it’s young money and we on like the television/
The weather channel, but i do not broadcast/
i throw up more cash, and change the forecast/
your boyfriend is lame, i make it rain on ya/
he never make it rain, like Southern california/
where’s you umbrella? Go ge your raincoat/
baby i make it flood, now you gon’ need a boat/. If thats not on topic i dont kno what is. He pratically made that lloyd song and that Chris Brown jump off. He is aiming at the right crowd which is why he chooses to do verses with them(ie girls buy more cds then guys). His word choice metapors and just the varity of different flows he can come up with is UNMATCHED by anyone. My philosphy is rapper = flow/beat Mc=lyrics. Jay Z was the first to really mix the two which in my opinion made him the best. Now as we look into the future Wayne is on that point. Wayne is still young and he will achieve those 4 mics without a doubt. He is smart he learns from every verse and rhyme. His jamican flow on the swiss beat jump off the just a portion of the versitile he is. “i could take anyones song and make it a part II” “Only down south rapper could have been in the firm” “questioning the general/snap shots at ya baby u r just a certerfold”/and thats kenneth Cole”. GTFO Wanye is on TOP of the game and it’s not by a accidental flow or mix choice of words. It’s because he deserves to be there. His hard work will pay off and everyone will come to the light. U have to look at it from an all around format and not from a self accliamed view. Don’t look at me as a southern rap activist just know i been around music for a while and as a D.S.L.R myself i love to hear from all artist from everywhere i bump everything. My favorite Quote FOREVER EVOLVING CHANGING FOR THE BETTER.
D.T
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Ohh yea no classics right. But i guess Bling Bling and Drop it like its hott is not a term that we use in the industry in many of songs and just everyday lengo. But that would not make them classic’s even tho they change the urban terminology. Lil wayne is on top everybody’s hatin but we will just see how much the CarterIII sells in the first week. Drew nice article i enjoyed reading it. Lil Wayne is the all around best rapper alive when u can say NOBODY can do what he does truly makes him the BEST.
D.T
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who ever wrote this cant be from the east coast. the majority of east coast rappers minus jim jones and camron spit this way. listen to biggie,stackbundles,joebuddens,nature,alivages,benie segel,jay-z,nas. see the thing lilwayne does is mix the upnorth eastcoast flow and style with the downsouth slur that the same way 50 cent got the people ear in the earley years. lilwayne is just gettin away withit because the south is hot if this was the years 95 to 2000 when the south was the south and the north was the north he would be rappin that wobble wobble shit. This boy is far from the best, he cant rap better than the game or joe buddens
I had no idea Lil Wayne used “GOAT” as an album title. Goes to show how much i like him. He uses the nickname Carter; isn’t that Jay Z’s name? He doesn’t say anything worth hearing and repeating. I don’t own any of his music.
First of all, if you don’t like Lil Wayne it doesn’t even matter any more. Lil Wayne is going to shine regardless. I will never say that Lil Wayne is the best rapper alive but I won’t say he isn’t either. There is no such thing as the best rapper alive or dead because unless it is absolute, it’s just a theory. Just because someone says that Lil Wayne isn’t the best, that doesn’t make it true (and vice versa). Most of the West coast think Pac was the best and the East coast think it was BIG, so which one was the best? Neither, because it’s not absolute. That being said, I think that Lil Wayne is the leader of the next generation. I see people bringing up all these other rappers but what you have to realize is that Lil Wayne is more well-rounded as a rapper than any other rapper of his time (by this I mean lyricism, swagger,etc.). There maybe a rapper that is more lyrical than Wayne but his swag isn’t up to par or vice versa. Bottom line, Wayne is the future of hip-hop, like it or not. 5000
Moniker, carter his waynes last name…d’wayne carter is the name. The dude is so hot while jayz just “hot still”. Hov is so lame now and wayne did a song on new orleans far before jay z. It was called georgia bush. it was on the dedication II mix tape and he spit over the ray charles track georgia which was sampled by ludacris i think. it was a direct shot at the President of the country. if that ain’t spittin some serious story telling shit i dont know what is. know something about a subject before you preach. every other rapper discussed here is drawing social security and cant hold a candle to the amount of material wayne puts out.hes on tons of radio tracks and can switch flows and styles in the same song. like drew says most of his metaphors are simple to the average listener. but for people that understand hip hop and have a global knowledge on entertainment, news and sports-they know wayne is the hottest
yea wayne is nice and has swag but he has nothing on eightballs flow. want some real south listen to tracks like mr. big, relax and take notes, or no sellout
boy wayne cant fuck with either half of ugk either
This is pretty funny, I just did a rhetorical analysis on the song “best rapper alive” for an english class and my roommate sent me a link to this article. Although I still have my reservations about calling wayne the best rapper, after doing the paper, I have no doubt that the man knows how to use the english language. I found at least 11 different rhetorical tropes in the song, they can’t all be lucky shots in the dark. I admit that he may not always be talking about the most productive subjects, but many of his songs have deeper meanings that express interest and understanding of serious social issues. Once again, I am still not comfortable calling him the best alive, but I also believe that he should not be written off as “nothing special.” Just some food for thought.
9 months later…. anybody still have any doubts about lil wayne?
Yeah, I didn’t think so.
shit wayne is the best fucking rapper alive in the last year hes came out wit over 200 songs and every one of those he goes off not missing a beat he can get on ne bodys track and tear it up he has the best lyrics ive heard these last few years and damnit hes the best he may not be as lyrical as tupac but tupac is dead so hints lil wayne is the best rapper alive
lil wayne could make a song with the wiggles and still go off hard and make it big
Didnt even use any of his best lines…
“And im’a do it aggin like nigga backwards” Shoot Me Down Carter 3
Listen to the whole Upgrade U song, Mardi Gras Mixtape, both Dedication Mixtapes with DJ drama
Lil Wayne is best Rapper thats funny!
Mc is more then a Rapper. The God MC is Rakim
Lil Wayne is best Rapper thats funny!
Mc is more then a Rapper. The God MC is Rakim
that’s it, i’ve hrd engh!!! y’all dumb jackass cdn’t rap for brkfst, lnch,or sex frm u’r gf, wife or sister. lil wayne is the “GOD” of rap & y’all can sit on his dick to get paid homos! Amen. beg lord to frgv ur momas for liking dffrnt dicks & not being able to stick to one married to! Amen???